30
Comprehensive Response to Bambu's AGPLv3 Violations (sfconservancy.org)
submitted 5 months ago by to c/opensource@programming.dev
2 comments fedilink hide all child comments

all 2 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] 5 points 5 months ago

Throw the project into the AI reverse-engineer thing and see how Bambu deals with that. Fuck em

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
    •
    [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    PS: Suck it, Bambu.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
    •
    17 comments in c/technology@lemmy.world view that post
    [–] 50 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Don't know much about this group, but this seems like a worthwhile cause to contribute to

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • hideshow 7 child comments
    •
  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

    Pretty sure they wrote the AGPL licence

    Edit:

    They didn't

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
    •
  • [–] 23 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    The GPL licenses were all written by the free software foundation for the GNU project. But that doesn't make it less worthwhile to contribute to this cause, too :)

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
    •
    • [–] 18 points 5 months ago

    It's good that they're attacking them on the software side, but they should also go after them on the legal side.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
    •
    [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I have no idea what it is that they've supposedly done because I don't really understand the 3D printing space but I'm glad to see that someone's actually upholding GPL licences because they generally thought that didn't happen.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment
    •
  • [–] [S] 2 points 5 months ago

    My understanding is that they're withholding part of their source code (which is forbidden by AGPLv3 as described in the article) so that they can keep lock people with their devices into their cloud services (and of course corresponding subscription fees, privacy nightmares, etc.), rather than having the printers able to receive files and print them themselves.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
    • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (5 children)

    Why not using donations to take them to court? Sue them and give money back to OG projects.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • hideshow 5 child comments
    •
  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    Part of the challenge here is that Bambu is a Chinese company. Which means you would have to sue them in China, with predictable results.

    You could try to sue them in e.g. the US, then use that victory to secure things like import bans, but that's a very long, slow, and expensive process.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Until recently, it was thought that only the copyright holder(s) had legal standing, so unless you could convince them to get involved as the plaintiff you were screwed. I think recently they've come up with a legal theory by which any user who was refused the source code could have standing, but it's a new enough tactic that AFAIK it isn't very widespread or proven yet.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
    •
  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    If they have a case a lawyer will take this for a share of the winnings. You need a few hundred first to send cease and desists, but if those letters don't work you just add court/lawyer costs to what you are asking.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
    •
  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Some areas may even have systems in place that force the defendant (corp/co) to pay said legal costs outside/on top of the awarded sum.

    see: wage theft, workers comp, fee-shifting provisions (freq. labor violations, discrimination claims, environmental law, consumer protection, IP, etc.)

    That said, here's a relevant PSA, if that helps anyone here:

    If you've experienced the following or similar issues with your employer:

    • not getting your full break(s) during a shift (eg. being asked to come back early "for the team"),
    • bathroom visits deducted from break time allotment,
    • breaks deducted from your check incorrectly (usually in said employer's favor)
    • tips "adjusted" for any reason, incl. non-tipped positions (eg. mgmt) taking a percentage,
    • wage "adjusted" by internal policy, despite local/state/federal requirements stating otherwise
    • OT unpaid "for reasons"
    • etc., etc.

    ... you should at least contact a local law firm specializing in employment/contract/labor law. Often enough, many will offer a free consultation to first clarify whether you have a case to work with, or what steps are still needed in order to move forward toward justice.

    Keep in mind, fellow poors, there's no obligation for you to ultimately choose any attorney(s) you consult with (don't forget: start w/ free consults in this exploratory stage). FWIW, most of those that I've contacted over the decades seem personally driven to champion for us poors in their work. (Anecdotal, yes, but earnestly hoping it helps) Which may be related to the fact that it's the judgements against said shitheel corpos that the attorneys get their wages from, instead of their client, who's yet another victim of normalized, unchecked greed. ✊🏼

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
    • 6 comments in c/opensource@lemmy.ml view that post
    [–] 22 points 5 months ago

    Grateful the SFC has got users' backs!

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
    •
    [–] 13 points 5 months ago

    This is the first time in far too long that it feels like there's an org willing and able to throw down to back the individuals against the corpos.

    I know there are others, but it often amounts to fighting in court which, while valuable, feels more removed, slower, and doesn't have the same immediate, tangible feeling of support like "We're setting up a repo to reverse engineer your corpo shit and we're even going to make it better. Bring it."

    #feelsgoodman

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
    •
    [+] -11 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Next time they will choose MIT… and close everything

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • hideshow 3 child comments
    •
  • [–] [S] 60 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    No.

    Bambu Studio is forked from PrusaSlicer, licensed under the AGPL.

    PrusaSlicer is a fork of Slic3r, also licensed under the AGPL.

    Next time the company will write their own code and not steal it from the community, or they'll comply with the licence under which they're building their business.

    What's particularly troubling is that this is not the first time that Bambu Labs has done this.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
    •
  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago

    The problem is that Bambu has shown that writing software isn't their biggest strength. The slicer works decently enough because it's all other people's code in the back.

    I wouldn't put it past them to try and create something with AI. Question is whether the AI would simply re-use the code for prusca, which would (again) land them in hot water.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago

    Yeah, it kinda feels like bambu has been pushing the envelope of what bs they can get away with for a hot minute, there's kinda always been discussion of whether their behavior is a thing consumers and tinkerers should accept. Guess that's finally catching up to them

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent