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[–] 254 points 6 months ago (23 children)

The initial investigation indicates that the pickup driver was following the bus too closely,

Nothing to do with too close, there's plenty of distance. They just didn't stop.

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  • [–] 153 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    Yeah. The driver of the truck wasn't paying attention.

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  • [–] 26 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    And was driving a ridiculously oversized fragile ego compensation vehicle

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I mean, you can drive a ridiculously oversized fragile ego compensation vehicle and also keep under the speed limit, watch out and brake on time

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  • [+] -15 points 6 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 29 points 6 months ago

    Speed limits can be useful to reduce accidents (though I do think they're also often used to line the state's pockets, especially on highways) but the fundamental responsibility is on the driver to drive at an appropriate speed for the context and conditions.

    If you can't stop in time to avoid an accident such as a bus gently stopping, the speed limit is totally irrelevant -- it's on the driver to be alert and in control.

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  • [–] 55 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    There's was an Olympics swimming pool worth of distance between them. The driver was clearly playing with their phone, not looking out the windscreen.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Huh, I've never heard "Olympics swimming pool" used to measure something that isn't liquid. Isn't the proper freedom unit of length measured in "football fields"?

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    As an American who is bad at sportzball and has no interest in it, it only recently dawned on me that the reason so many people use yards to estimate distances is because of football, and possibly shooting ranges, which I also have no interest in.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    How about a compromise? You use the metric system, km in specific; BUT, you get to call them "clicks" so you sound like you are in the military?

    (j/k I'm also American and I only use km for running distances, not driving distances.)

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Why does every "initial investigation" made into literally anything always come to the most shockingly, obviously wrong conclusion. Did they not have this video?

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    In a terminally car-centric society, the idea that drivers are inherently stupid and unsafe and that most people should be using public transport so they can look at their phones as much as they obviously want to is blasphemy. So they always come up with the story that leaves the driver with the least amount of fault and no real repercussions; was he using his phone and totally distracted? No! He was following too closely and the bus slammed on its brakes! Totally unavoidable accident where no one needs to be slapped on the wrist or have their licence taken away.

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    When your intake valves are clogged with lunchables and protractors, yeah…you’re too close.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Protractors? That must be a typo, right?

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  • [–] 179 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    That's a good dad right there.

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  • [–] 121 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    A hug being the immediate first reaction is nice yeah <3

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  • [–] 62 points 6 months ago

    And second reaction: go see and help.

    A most decent person.

    ...

    Though what are the odds he initially said to the youth "you'll never leave this place" before going to loot 4 PBJ sandwiches in the wrecked bus

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  • [–] 120 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Can we just talk about how sweet that hugs was?

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  • [–] 100 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    The initial investigation indicates that the pickup driver was following the bus too closely, Jiron said.

    Just for curiousity...did the police think to check the fucking doorbell camera?

    "Too closely"? My man he's a good 50-100m away from that bus at the start of the clip, and the bus didn't just jack on its brakes, that was a slow and diliberate stop.

    Following to closely. Lol.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    The definition of "following too closely" is relatively circular. You have proper following distance if you stop in time to avoid a collision. If you don't avoid a collision, you obviously didn't have enough following distance.
    "The cars wouldn't have run into each other if they had been further apart" is basically them saying "driver wasn't dunk or impaired, no sign of mechanical failure, and no evidence they were distracted.
    Driving into the back of a school bus is evidence that you at the very least should have been further back, assuming you did everything else by the book.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Yes, technically he was following too closely to account for the fact he was looking at his phone.

    If you are looking at your phone you should probably be leaving much more space between you and the vehicle in front due to the fact that your reaction time will be significantly delayed. So technically too close. If he wasn't on the phone it would have been proper following distance.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    In most drivers ed programs, they teach 4 second following distance. You pick a landmark, start counting when the car in front of you passes it, and you should count to at least 4 by the time your vehicle passes the same spot.

    Unfortunately I don't think it's actually a law in many places.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Yup, they taught me that rule of thumb too. It's not a specific law because the law says you must dive safely with appropriate following distance for road conditions, which can be longer than 4 seconds in bad weather.

    Like my state has:

    (1) The operator of a motor vehicle shall not follow another vehicle more closely than is reasonable and prudent, having due regard for the speed of the vehicles and the traffic upon and the condition of the highway.

    It's both good and bad that there's no objective measure, depending on if you're the one getting a ticket for driving like an ass.

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  • [–] 94 points 6 months ago

    That dad coming out, seeing that, then giving his son a hug was probably the most relieved he’s ever been in his life.

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  • [–] 78 points 6 months ago (13 children)

    That truck didn't even attempt to brake. Driver asleep? Or too busy reading Twatter on his phone?

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  • [–] 70 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    You can hear the brakes being applied right before impact. Way too late, way too fast. Definitely phone.

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  • [–] 24 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    I’ve been rear-ended twice, and both times heard the other cars brakes just long enough before the impact to think “oh shit”… I can’t imagine what a school bus driver would think in this situation given all the kids…

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago

    Ugh I’m sorry D: I’ve been rear ended quite a few times, it’s awful. Only one car was fully destroyed, and I told my passenger “that car is gonna hit me”. 10 seconds later, BAM. Another time was low-impact, kid on his phone. Another time a crazy tweaker guy was driving nuts, hit me, and tried to run. I chased him down and he wanted me to get out of my car to look at the back of my car… I told him I’d wait for the authorities and he got in his car and sped off. He definitely was going to attack me if I got out. Wild stuff.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I've had the same thing happen multiple times. I've been hit three times while being stationary in traffic, it really sucks and there is essentially nothing you can do about it. I've seen it coming each time in the rear view and just said "oh shit!".

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    After watching too many dash cam videos where this happens, I’ve started using my hazards when I’m stopped at the tail of traffic on a fast road. I don’t know if it really helps but it could and at least it’s an attempt to be more visible

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    I had a coworker who was permanently and severely disabled in a situation like this.

    He was stopped at a red light behind a few other cars. Someone not watching the road plowed into him at 40-45mph, pushing his car into the one in front of him. Brown back, broken teeth, don't remember what else other than that it was a lot. He was in the hospital for weeks.

    Now I'm extra careful to leave some space between the car in front of me and mine when stopped, but even that can only help so much when you've got people driving around in heavy trucks like this.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    I had that same thing happen but the car was going faster according to the police, the guy didn't even break just hit be going 55 or so. I had I not borrowed my fiance's far which was much safer than mine I'd have been in a similar position to your coworker. The entire back half of the car looked like a metal flower from the way it crumpled.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Probably automated driver assistance breaking. Lots of new vehicles will do that when they sense an imminent crash.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    OK, I had not had audio on, so I did not notice that. There was no noticable deceleration, though.

    The "too fast" part depends on local regulations and his real speed before applying the brakes. Someting that can be determined from the video.

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  • [–] 69 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    The initial investigation indicates that the pickup driver was following the bus too closely

    Did they not see the video? Bus was almost at a full stop and it still took the truck 5 seconds to hit it at Mach Fuck. Not even a nervous driving instructor would call a >5 second follow distance "too close."

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I wouldn't be surprised if the driver is a cop or at least knows the investigators. Sounds like a very fishy conclusion, the video makes it obvious he definitely had time enough to react.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    That’s the traffic offense. It’s the ticket you get when you rear-end someone. They aren’t trying to throw the book at the driver. It’s a routine citation.

    Whoever wrote it just called a traffic ticket an “investigation” to make it sound dramatic.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Yep, that's exactly what I thought. Even if you say that you were "brake-checked" for example, the cops in NYS will still give you a ticket and tell you to take it with the courts.

    § 1129. Following too closely. (a) The driver of a motor vehicle shall not follow another vehicle more closely than is reasonable and prudent, having due regard for the speed of such vehicles and the traffic upon and the condition of the highway.

    Not to mention that NYS has stricter laws than most other states regarding stopped school busses; if they're stopped, you can't drive past them even if you're in opposing traffic.

    This story stinks, but glad that no kids got seriously hurt.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago*

    That’s the traffic offense. It’s the ticket you get when you rear-end someone. They aren’t trying to throw the book at the driver. It’s a routine citation.

    Whoever wrote it just called a traffic ticket an “investigation” to make it sound dramatic.

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  • [–] 60 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Guys the bus just jumped outta no where, he had no time to react. Plus it wasn't dressed in bright enough colors to be visible

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  • [–] 51 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Imagine being so dumb you miss something as big and yellow as a school bus. Fucking moron

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  • [–] 45 points 5 months ago

    The height of pickup trucks should be capped by law. No crash compatibility with normal vehicles, automatically hits pedestrians in their vital organs, can't see anyone sitting or fallen in front of it. What an absolutely idiotic society to let this kind of thing be driven on public roads without a special licence.

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  • [–] 41 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    That's not a full sized truck. That's some wankers oversized support vehicle

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  • [–] 36 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    That hug hits hard. A few more steps forward and it would have been a terrible situation.

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  • [–] 32 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    And the sun was behind that driver… it wasn’t even in his eyes. That’s probably the best lighting conditions imaginable, and they still missed the school bus.

    Like WTF, dude. Why is it we don’t immediately revoke licenses for shit like this? Some people need to re-start from square one, yet we keep giving them fourth, fifth, and more chances to seriously injure or even kill others.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I remember reading a news report 20-30 years ago about bus accidents. A surprising number of people who ran into buses just "didn't see them". Human minds are weird, confusing, and haven't really evolved for modern society.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I can believe it. I've only ever had 1 major accident (not counting deer). I rear ended someone and I still don't know how. It was on a bright clear straight road I'd driven down hundreds of times before. I had no distractions that I can remember. I know for sure my phone was in my pocket because I remember having to dig it out with a mangled finger after the crash. I wasn't in any rush. I leave more space behind other vehicles than most people do. All I remember is driving like any other day, suddenly noticing brake lights, and then stomping on the brakes far too late.

    Thankfully it was only 30MPH and nobody was hurt except me. All I had was a peeled finger and a seat belt bruise. Still don't know what actually happened that caused me to not notice. I bought a dash cam immediately after that.

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  • [+] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)
  • It was a route I drove basically any time I needed to go into town so autopilot is my best guess too. But I'm also not sure how much of me not remembering anything is caused by me not actually noticing anything durring the crash vs post adrenaline dump amnesia. Maybe the course of events that lead to the crash made perfect sense and I just can't remember any of it because of the adrenaline dump immediately after the crash.

    But yeah not much point hyper analyzing it now. Besides any way you lay it out rearending someone is never not your fault. I screwed up, I just wish I knew in what way.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Benefit of doubt, maybe the person was having a medical situation. How about not selling these giant stupid pickup trucks as commuter vehicles so there's actual crash compatibility when accidents do happen?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    The people who hit the bus would be dead if they were in a smaller vehicle. Im not sure what your point is apart from shitting on pickup trucks.

    The reality of what we watched was actually the best outcome to happen in my opinion.

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  • [–] 31 points 5 months ago (4 children)
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