The initial investigation indicates that the pickup driver was following the bus too closely,
Nothing to do with too close, there's plenty of distance. They just didn't stop.
The initial investigation indicates that the pickup driver was following the bus too closely,
Nothing to do with too close, there's plenty of distance. They just didn't stop.
That's a good dad right there.
A hug being the immediate first reaction is nice yeah <3
And second reaction: go see and help.
A most decent person.
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Though what are the odds he initially said to the youth "you'll never leave this place" before going to loot 4 PBJ sandwiches in the wrecked bus
I felt the relief in that hug, just by watching it. What a real one.
Also debris barely missed the kid’s head, what a near miss on many levels.
Can we just talk about how sweet that hugs was?
The initial investigation indicates that the pickup driver was following the bus too closely, Jiron said.
Just for curiousity...did the police think to check the fucking doorbell camera?
"Too closely"? My man he's a good 50-100m away from that bus at the start of the clip, and the bus didn't just jack on its brakes, that was a slow and diliberate stop.
Following to closely. Lol.
Maybe they meant on Instagram, because broski was clearly distracted by his phone.
The definition of "following too closely" is relatively circular. You have proper following distance if you stop in time to avoid a collision. If you don't avoid a collision, you obviously didn't have enough following distance.
"The cars wouldn't have run into each other if they had been further apart" is basically them saying "driver wasn't dunk or impaired, no sign of mechanical failure, and no evidence they were distracted.
Driving into the back of a school bus is evidence that you at the very least should have been further back, assuming you did everything else by the book.
Yes, technically he was following too closely to account for the fact he was looking at his phone.
If you are looking at your phone you should probably be leaving much more space between you and the vehicle in front due to the fact that your reaction time will be significantly delayed. So technically too close. If he wasn't on the phone it would have been proper following distance.
In most drivers ed programs, they teach 4 second following distance. You pick a landmark, start counting when the car in front of you passes it, and you should count to at least 4 by the time your vehicle passes the same spot.
Unfortunately I don't think it's actually a law in many places.
Yup, they taught me that rule of thumb too. It's not a specific law because the law says you must dive safely with appropriate following distance for road conditions, which can be longer than 4 seconds in bad weather.
Like my state has:
(1) The operator of a motor vehicle shall not follow another vehicle more closely than is reasonable and prudent, having due regard for the speed of the vehicles and the traffic upon and the condition of the highway.
It's both good and bad that there's no objective measure, depending on if you're the one getting a ticket for driving like an ass.
That dad coming out, seeing that, then giving his son a hug was probably the most relieved he’s ever been in his life.
That truck didn't even attempt to brake. Driver asleep? Or too busy reading Twatter on his phone?
You can hear the brakes being applied right before impact. Way too late, way too fast. Definitely phone.
I’ve been rear-ended twice, and both times heard the other cars brakes just long enough before the impact to think “oh shit”… I can’t imagine what a school bus driver would think in this situation given all the kids…
Ugh I’m sorry D: I’ve been rear ended quite a few times, it’s awful. Only one car was fully destroyed, and I told my passenger “that car is gonna hit me”. 10 seconds later, BAM. Another time was low-impact, kid on his phone. Another time a crazy tweaker guy was driving nuts, hit me, and tried to run. I chased him down and he wanted me to get out of my car to look at the back of my car… I told him I’d wait for the authorities and he got in his car and sped off. He definitely was going to attack me if I got out. Wild stuff.
I've had the same thing happen multiple times. I've been hit three times while being stationary in traffic, it really sucks and there is essentially nothing you can do about it. I've seen it coming each time in the rear view and just said "oh shit!".
After watching too many dash cam videos where this happens, I’ve started using my hazards when I’m stopped at the tail of traffic on a fast road. I don’t know if it really helps but it could and at least it’s an attempt to be more visible
I had a coworker who was permanently and severely disabled in a situation like this.
He was stopped at a red light behind a few other cars. Someone not watching the road plowed into him at 40-45mph, pushing his car into the one in front of him. Brown back, broken teeth, don't remember what else other than that it was a lot. He was in the hospital for weeks.
Now I'm extra careful to leave some space between the car in front of me and mine when stopped, but even that can only help so much when you've got people driving around in heavy trucks like this.
I had that same thing happen but the car was going faster according to the police, the guy didn't even break just hit be going 55 or so. I had I not borrowed my fiance's far which was much safer than mine I'd have been in a similar position to your coworker. The entire back half of the car looked like a metal flower from the way it crumpled.
Probably automated driver assistance breaking. Lots of new vehicles will do that when they sense an imminent crash.
OK, I had not had audio on, so I did not notice that. There was no noticable deceleration, though.
The "too fast" part depends on local regulations and his real speed before applying the brakes. Someting that can be determined from the video.
The initial investigation indicates that the pickup driver was following the bus too closely
Did they not see the video? Bus was almost at a full stop and it still took the truck 5 seconds to hit it at Mach Fuck. Not even a nervous driving instructor would call a >5 second follow distance "too close."
"On the same highway system in the same reality" is apparently too close for this negligent shithead.
I wouldn't be surprised if the driver is a cop or at least knows the investigators. Sounds like a very fishy conclusion, the video makes it obvious he definitely had time enough to react.
That’s the traffic offense. It’s the ticket you get when you rear-end someone. They aren’t trying to throw the book at the driver. It’s a routine citation.
Whoever wrote it just called a traffic ticket an “investigation” to make it sound dramatic.
Yep, that's exactly what I thought. Even if you say that you were "brake-checked" for example, the cops in NYS will still give you a ticket and tell you to take it with the courts.
§ 1129. Following too closely. (a) The driver of a motor vehicle shall not follow another vehicle more closely than is reasonable and prudent, having due regard for the speed of such vehicles and the traffic upon and the condition of the highway.
Not to mention that NYS has stricter laws than most other states regarding stopped school busses; if they're stopped, you can't drive past them even if you're in opposing traffic.
This story stinks, but glad that no kids got seriously hurt.
I suppose it wastechnically the truth... Embedded in the back of the bus is certainly following too closely...
That’s the traffic offense. It’s the ticket you get when you rear-end someone. They aren’t trying to throw the book at the driver. It’s a routine citation.
Whoever wrote it just called a traffic ticket an “investigation” to make it sound dramatic.
Guys the bus just jumped outta no where, he had no time to react. Plus it wasn't dressed in bright enough colors to be visible
Imagine being so dumb you miss something as big and yellow as a school bus. Fucking moron
That bus jumped out of nowhere!
That driver is so stupid, being a fucking moron would be a huge step up. Who hits a yellow rectangle covered with flashing lights? Fucking hell, I hope they haven't reproduced.
Sometimes you find a real good match on tinder
The height of pickup trucks should be capped by law. No crash compatibility with normal vehicles, automatically hits pedestrians in their vital organs, can't see anyone sitting or fallen in front of it. What an absolutely idiotic society to let this kind of thing be driven on public roads without a special licence.
That's not a full sized truck. That's some wankers oversized support vehicle
That hug hits hard. A few more steps forward and it would have been a terrible situation.
And the sun was behind that driver… it wasn’t even in his eyes. That’s probably the best lighting conditions imaginable, and they still missed the school bus.
Like WTF, dude. Why is it we don’t immediately revoke licenses for shit like this? Some people need to re-start from square one, yet we keep giving them fourth, fifth, and more chances to seriously injure or even kill others.
I remember reading a news report 20-30 years ago about bus accidents. A surprising number of people who ran into buses just "didn't see them". Human minds are weird, confusing, and haven't really evolved for modern society.
I can believe it. I've only ever had 1 major accident (not counting deer). I rear ended someone and I still don't know how. It was on a bright clear straight road I'd driven down hundreds of times before. I had no distractions that I can remember. I know for sure my phone was in my pocket because I remember having to dig it out with a mangled finger after the crash. I wasn't in any rush. I leave more space behind other vehicles than most people do. All I remember is driving like any other day, suddenly noticing brake lights, and then stomping on the brakes far too late.
Thankfully it was only 30MPH and nobody was hurt except me. All I had was a peeled finger and a seat belt bruise. Still don't know what actually happened that caused me to not notice. I bought a dash cam immediately after that.
It was a route I drove basically any time I needed to go into town so autopilot is my best guess too. But I'm also not sure how much of me not remembering anything is caused by me not actually noticing anything durring the crash vs post adrenaline dump amnesia. Maybe the course of events that lead to the crash made perfect sense and I just can't remember any of it because of the adrenaline dump immediately after the crash.
But yeah not much point hyper analyzing it now. Besides any way you lay it out rearending someone is never not your fault. I screwed up, I just wish I knew in what way.
Benefit of doubt, maybe the person was having a medical situation. How about not selling these giant stupid pickup trucks as commuter vehicles so there's actual crash compatibility when accidents do happen?
2007 Dodge Ram
https://smartfinancial.com/car-brands-with-most-accidents
#2 in accidents. No surprise here.
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