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[–] 170 points 6 months ago (8 children)

An HHS spokesperson did not respond to questions but in an email blamed the administration of former President Joe Biden for the rise in parents rejecting vitamin K shots. “Vitamin K at birth,” the spokesperson added, “remains the standard of care.”

For fuck's sake. These assholes can't even take responsibility for the results of what they're spewing.

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  • [–] 67 points 6 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 91 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    "party of personal responsibility"

    It's all projection.

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago

    Seriously!!!!

    Remember when most of their grievances were about an overreaching government that dictated how they lived their lives? Now that their party is in power that’s all they want to fucking do to the rest of us.

    How does ‘personal responsibility’ translate into ‘I don’t want this and you shouldn’t have it either’?

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    At what point do we just turn it into the new “Thanks Obama” meme? I feel like at a certain point, embracing it as a joke is the only way to get them to stop using it as an excuse. Because as long as they can say it and be taken seriously, they’ll continue using it.

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  • [–] 73 points 6 months ago (14 children)

    I was wondering when the MAHA vaccine fixation would bleed over to simply anything that comes from a needle.

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  • [–] 35 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    I swear there's a non-trivial percentage of new parents who simply want any excuse not to see their babies get poked with a needle and start crying. Combine that with the other MAHA, Jesus, and/or Woo nonsense, and especially with a fundamental misunderstanding of how much infant mortality the human population can absorb and still be evolutionarily "successful," and you get stories like this one.

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  • [–] 21 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    I had my son get all his vaccinations on schedule. Even though he'd cry and skitter around the room like a cat when they came in the room with a needle.

    Next few times he got over it and eventually it didn't even bother him to get poked anymore.

    I know it's terrible to see as a parent and comforting them sometimes doesn't work. You can't walk out of there just giving up. Shots really suck when you are little, but they are much better than dying from the diseases they prevent.

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    Some of the most successful pediatricians I’ve seen will poke the baby with the closed syringe several times before and after administering the shot. So that the babies get poked with it non-painfully more times than they get poked with it painfully. From what I’ve seen it seems to work.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago

    You're giving them way too much credit. It's as simple as what a credentialed authority figure says must be part of some agenda but what a whatsapp/FB post or contrarian podcaster/blogger says is good and credible.

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  • [–] 24 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    This is horrific.

    The part of me traumatized by our society drives my cynical obtrusive thought: this will cull some of the stupid genes from the pool.

    Maybe idiocracy is not inevitable. Maybe the stupid, selfish,fear-consumed will remove themselves from the healthier parts of humanity. Too bad I won't be around for the better world.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    The absolute numbers are still very low, and these folks tend to have more babies overall, so I don't think there's much silver lining here, even a grim one. They're just accepting higher infant mortality for no good reason because they don't understand statistics or that evolution doesn't care about "perfect" or about any individual baby (or anything else of course, because it's just a biological principle, but you take my meaning).

    You have to work with who gets born and just try to bring as much critical thinking and empathy into the world as you can. If anything "good" will come of this, it will be as cautionary tales parents and doctors tell pregnant people.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Even worse, they're accepting infant mortality because "master white race" and fear of being the minority in 2045.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Yeah, I'm of European descent and even I have some angst about a potential loss of identity for the future. Still, I'm not going to go all Nazi on the world.

    We're a collective series of mutations resulting from the colder, darker environments of the northern regions. I'd rather see the best/useful/beautiful characteristics of all ethnicities come together in a better humanity for all.

    We might be the last remaining reservoirs of Neanderthal genes like the south pacific people might be the lat reservoir of denosivan genes. It would be a shame if all that were lost.

    Still humanity is about the people who are alive now, and all deserve full recognition and rights. Genetic diversity improves the chances of species survival. That is what's important.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    At this point I am much worried about the future effect of evil bloodlines then of stupid ones.

    They do often go hand in hand, granted, but there are some wonderful stupid and/or mentally handicapped folks out there.

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  • [–] 132 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    So when do they arrest the parents for murder like they would a woman who had a miscsrriage?

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  • [–] 53 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Oh you know that only applies to the mothers and only before a successful birth because cruelty and hatred toward women is the point.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    depends on the state law.

    basically, you have to prove negligence leading to harm, and if it's a jury case, the jury is going to decide that.

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  • [–] 64 points 6 months ago (12 children)

    It’s wild how many parents are terrified of a vitamin shot but completely comfortable trusting random wellness influencers with zero medical background. And the really tragic part is that newborns don’t exactly get a second chance if the gamble goes wrong.

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  • [–] 32 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    China recently decimated their (previously thriving) influencer ecosystem, simply by requiring that health influencers have documented health education, financial influencers have finance education, etc… China implemented the rule, and immediately banned like ~95% of all their health influencers. The rule targets both individual influencers and the platforms that host them. And no platform wants to stick their neck out and eat fines for some random influencer. So influencers who didn’t have documented education got banned basically overnight.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    IDK if China is really a great example here, considering how many Chinese doctors will still tell you that drinking cold water is bad for you, and garlic makes people horny.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    That’s the funny thing about medicine… Lots of medical advice is largely determined by where you live. In America, doctors tell pregnant women to avoid eating too much fish. In Japan, doctors tell pregnant women to eat more fish.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    they still do that, and using endangered animals and plants. one example is the cordyceps that affect caterpillars in the steppes, they harvested so much that it so much that they couldnt sustain the demand, because its a complex lifecycle for the fungi and caterpillar.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    human beings are wired to trust other people's confident bullshit.

    far more than they trust something abstract like medical knowledge backed by scientific studies.

    it's not any different why the charming asshole narcissist is socially popular and the accurate nerdy scientist is seen as weird and anti-social.

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  • [–] 21 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    These highlights were written by the reporters and editors who worked on this story.

    This is how bad the wider world of journalism has got, that having a human write a synopsis is now seen as bragging rights.

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  • [–] 40 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    I have four natural born kids and all of them had their Vitamin K shots, and I would do it again in a heartbeat. I trust my doctors’ recommendations on what course of action is best, knowing that there are risks and benefits to any medical treatment, and we do these treatments because the benefits outweigh the risks.

    With that said, the article doesn’t mention that the risk of the vitamin K shot is that the newborn’s bilirubin levels can be raised far enough that they have to be treated for it. One of my daughters had to be blindfolded and put under a very bright blue light for several hours or maybe it was overnight, which is not a nice thing to see your newborn go through.

    But it is surely better than seeing them bleed to death.

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  • [–] 38 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    One of my daughters had to be blindfolded and put under a very bright blue light for several hours or maybe it was overnight, which is not a nice thing to see your newborn go through.

    Completely painless and done every single day in any NICU.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Isn't this for Jaundice? Or just happens to be the same cure? Anyway my baby went through the blue light special for jaundice - the worst part was having to be in the hospital longer

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Why do doctors have to listen to parents? If a parent abuses a child the child gets taken away but if he abuses a baby somehow it's ok?

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    To a degree, parents have the right to reject medical treatment for a child. There must be an immediate threat to the child's life or health to ignore their refusal. A preventative vitamin shot is not such a case. Superseding the parents' wishes here would require a court order.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago

    wHaTs ThE hArM iN My BeLiEfS????

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  • [–] 41 points 6 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 28 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Right? At least those kids are being spared any further neglect and abuse.

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago

    Yep. Sucks to be born just do die of preventable illiness but that's literally evolution. Maybe the reason the world sucks so much is because we put up bumper rails and allow the weak to survive.

    If you ask any right wing smooth brain they'd agree, they're not smart enough to recognize it's them that lose.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    The us is getting more dumberer.

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  • [+] 13 points 6 months ago (1 child)
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    "They will not replace us!"

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Oral vitamin K1 is almost as effective as injected K1, and most countries seem to offer it orally as an alternative to injected. Oral is pretty much just as effective as injected. 1, 2

    The article doesn't mention oral. Is it still not approved in the US? (It's the same formulation as that injected).

    It's very cheap. In Australia it costs ~9AUD (~7USD) for a single dose vial with oral syringe without subsidies.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    We personally don’t know the semantics as to why it’s not approved orally, however regardless of it being a shot or a drug shouldn’t matter if it’s gonna save the baby in the end.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago

    You know, if these parents believe they know better than medical professionals, why are they going to a medical facility to have their babies anyway? I feel it is just a waste of resources. Medical staff are stretched pretty thin already. Why waste time on people that will just ignore professional advice? Let them deal on their own, they obviously know better.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago

    party of pro-life?

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    [–] 17 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    I used to feel this was a tragedy. Now I feel that those parents aren't intelligent enough to have children. They deserve what they got. The child died but it was probably going to of something else stupid at some point anyway. A century ago, before we had all the modern medical procedures, a large percentage of children didn't make it to adulthood. That is going to be the new norm for the parents who know better than "the elites".

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Be careful. “Stupid people shouldn’t procreate” sounds like a good idea until the state deems you too stupid to deserve life. That’s eugenics. And it never stops with the people you think deserve it.

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  • [+] 7 points 6 months ago (1 child)
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    I’m not saying this child died due to eugenics. I’m saying that calling situations like this fine because the parents “deserve it” for being stupid is eugenicist thinking. It is justifying the child’s death because the parents are stupid and shouldn’t procreate anyway. Why not? Inferior genetics?

    The child deserved to live in a world where even with stupid parents, they get adequate modern healthcare and can thrive. Instead they died, and that’s horrible, and saying “it’s fine because the parents were stupid” is horrible.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    Charge the parents with first degree murder.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (8 children)

    Negligent homicide. They didn't plan to kill their kids, they did it accidentally by virtue of their ignorance and ego.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (7 children)

    They deliberately denied a lifesaving medical procedure, that's first fucking degree murder.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago* (5 children)

    Mens rei is a thing. For murder you need to prove they intended the result, not just that they intended the action.

    That's why charges like negligent homicide exist.

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  • [–] -4 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    They won't stop doing it if they don't suffer real consequences. Murder 1, life in prison.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    ...do you think a negligent homicide verdict doesn't have consequences?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago*

    Potentially yeah. In some states it can be charged as a misdemeanour with as little as probation or no jail time at all, especially for first offenders. Alabama treats criminally negligent homicide as a Class A misdemeanour with a maximum of one year imprisonment and/or $6,000 in fines in standard cases.

    In many states it's treated as a low to mid-level felony, and the penalty typically doesn't exceed three years' imprisonment. Some states go up to 10 years and Montana goes up to 20.

    So while it can have consequences, it doesn't necessarily have meaningful enough consequences depending on many factors.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Okay, here, I looked up the specifics. In Illinois, where I live, negligent homicide is a Class 2 Felony, with a maximum of 14 or 28 years, depending on case details. Source.

    1st Degree Murder is 60 years. Source.

    I'm not a lawyer, but instead a layman. That said, I argue that based on the law as cited, the parents had no lawful justification, and that their actions carried a high likelihood of death. Obviously a lawyer making such an argument in court would by necessity have to back that up, especially if they trotted out religious nonsense as a "lawful justification," but that's what they get paid for.

    A person who kills an individual without lawful justification commits first degree murder if, in performing the acts which cause the death: (2) he or she knows that such acts create a strong probability of death or great bodily harm to that individual or another;

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Makes me feel like a piece of shit saying it, but those kids are probably better off dead rather than being raised in an antivaxxer household where they're going to be indoctrinated with all that idiotic bullshit, forced to attend "parties" with diseased kids to intentionally catch their illnesses, probably have no chance at higher education thanks to shitty religious based homeschooling, take a bunch of quack medicine when they are ill ranging from useless to actively harmful, and possibly experience permanent damage from a preventable disease. Just seems like a lifetime of needless suffering.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    You never know, I was raised evangelical and Ive managed to have a good life once I got out of there.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    seen alot of those stories yt, ultra conservative people leaivng thier bubble and flourishing, but i wish they actually come out and say its evangelical,christanity instead of trying to obfuscate what thier saying.

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