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[–] 169 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Microsoft SSH agent persistently stores your unencrypted private keys in the registry. They're still there unlocked and usable after you reboot.

https://github.com/PowerShell/Win32-OpenSSH/issues/1487

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  • [–] 29 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    God, the final comment in that thread makes my blood boil.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    That is infuriating. Leaving those keys available to the user means that worms can later use you to compromise additional machines. It turns a local problem into a much bigger one. There's a recursive script out there that automatically scans your ssh files and attempts to access all hosts in your history..name escapes me at the moment.

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  • [+] 54 points 6 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 101 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    does this company intentionally want users to stop using it? cuz day by day either theres a new windows bug or just shittier softwares

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago

    I think it's more than they just don't care. Microsoft cornered the business world decades ago because they've got wot C-levels crave....or something. End users have no say in it.

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  • [–] 48 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Our lives are in the hands of morons. What the fuck.

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  • [–] 42 points 6 months ago

    Everytime I read a Microsoft headline these days

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  • [–] 35 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Safety and security are foundational to Microsoft Edge. Access to browser data as described in the reported scenario would require the device to already be compromised. Design choices in this area involve balancing performance, usability, and security, and we continue to review it against evolving threats.

    "We value user safety and usability, but if you're already compromised you can go fuck yourself"

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  • [+] -6 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    No, if you are already compromised there is just no way anyone can help you anymore besides wiping your whole system.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

    True, but there's a big fucking difference between handing over the keys without being asked, and doing basic fucking due diligence and not loading all your passwords in plain text into memory by default.

    (@iglou@programming.dev ) I can't defend MicroSlop because that mentality is pants on head stupid and is directly in opposition to any statement that they care about security. Because, again, they made their browser behave this way for no real reason besides blowing smoke up our ass. Chromium handles passwords properly, MicroSlop chose to do it insecurely and is hiding behind the dumbest defense. Because their OS has more holes than Swiss cheese and they refuse to plug a basic security hole that they put there intentionally.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    Chrome's handling is barely more secure. A compromised device will have a much easier time reading Chrome's encrypted store than scanning your RAM to find passwords.

    Remember that if you don't need to input a password to open the store, then anything with access to your device can also read it.

    Wether it's encrypted in your RAM or not barely makes any difference in how difficult the task is.

    The only solution is: Browsers should require a password. Or even better: Use a dedicated, properly secured password manager.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    Chrome's handling is barely more secure. A compromised device will have a much easier time reading Chrome's encrypted store than scanning your RAM to find passwords.

    Regardless, they're still loading them into memory in plain text, and knowing this exists, is going to be an easier task to grab than dealing with the encrypted store chromium uses. At least chromium uses the in built credential api to try to protect the secrets, the fact edge doesn't is an egregious security hole.

    I don't disagree that users need to have to enter a password to view their stored passwords, but you're hand waving a massive and intentional decrease in security on Edge's part. No matter how easy it is to get out of another browser, this is a violation of basic secure development practices. Security is only as strong as the weakest link, and edge is determined to not even close one of the easiest links in the chain.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    I will disagree on the RAM scanning being easier. It is my opinion that the weakest link here is the password store.

    The security hole here is a password management system that can work without external secret. It is shocking that this is still common practice and that people use them.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Yeah, I can't believe I'm defending Microsoft but that's probably what they meant. No browser password saving feature is safe if your device is compromised.

    Use a proper encrypted password manager

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  • [–] 33 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    2026 is gonna be the year I finally move to Linux. I have huge concerns about many aspects of switching, but they're being overtaken by concerns about staying with Windows. I don't even mind if my overall user experience is a bit worse on Linux (I am trying to have reasonable expectations that it won't be the walk in the park Linux advocates on Lemmy like to claim), I just have much more faith in its security, privacy, customisability and - most importantly - the motivations and intentions of its developers.

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago

    Best of luck! If you've got questions or problems feel free to DM me (or reply here) and I'll try to help as best I can. I've been using linux since the mid 90s, so I have a decent idea of how it all works :)

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    If you move to one of the big supported distributions, you'll be extremely surprised how easy it is.

    If you just want things to stay consistent and easy, I can't recommend Linux mint enough. I installed it on my son's laptop almost two years ago and he's never needed my help to fix anything since.

    The installation walks you through everything, just like Windows, but it'll only take about the third of the time. Everything just works and there's no trash to uninstall or debloat scripts to run when you're done.

    If you do any gaming you might want to run Fedora or bazzite (fedora with training wheels), but if you're using KDE for the desktop that's almost as easy and seamless.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Can confirm, Bazzite is ridiculously easy. If you don't want to dual-boot it's easier to install than Windows. I have it on my laptop and all my games run better now.

    Except Tropico 6. For some reason that made my entire system go crazy. 😄

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    Just made the move a few months ago. Only headache was a missing headset driver, but Claude was able to one shot one for me that's been stable ever since.

    Not looking back. There have been very few things that haven't worked so far. Take the leap!

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  • [+] -14 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I have huge concerns about many aspects of switching, but they’re being overtaken by concerns about staying with Windows.

    Do not. Use. Mint.

    That shit bricked my computer for 3 years as a teen with an unpatched bug that impossible to ever download any file to my PC again, including any potential fixes. Spent months on stackexchange forums. No solution lol

    Windows has yet to screw me over that hard. (Yet.)

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Around what year was this issue? Both windows and Linux were pretty unstable until - someone correct me on this - 2012? Windows 8 was the last unrecoverable crash I had. Oddly never had an issue with Linux, but I know it happens, I've just been lucky.

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  • [–] 28 points 6 months ago
    [–] 47 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    HOLY @#%^ WHAT IN THE @#%^ DO THEY MEAN "NOT TO WORRY"?????????????????

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  • [–] 32 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Well, hold on now, maybe Microsoft has a reasonable explanation for how they actually do secure their passwords...

    This is an expected feature of the application.

    ... Never mind.

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  • [–] 21 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    This is sort of like saying "I leave my valuables in plain sight by my door because it has a lock on it and door locks are trustworthy." I'm not super into cyber security and stuff but it seems like one of the most common problems is programs managing to get access to memory they shouldn't have access to. It seems to happen all the time! Just like many locks for you door are trash.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago*

    It’s ridiculous. It presupposes that cybersecurity doesn’t value or employ defense in depth. Completely untrue.

    Look at the attack vector researchers were trying to solve when they created OAuth2.0 w/ PKCE.

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    [–] 20 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    "Yeah totally secure! Just trust me!.." basically

    This is LITERALLY isn't secure; they should atleast make it encrypted. This is just the same as using your notes app as password manager! But it's microsoft, and they're willingly giving your bitlocker encryption key to the FBIs for your drives. So I'm not surprised..

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Access to browser data as described in the reported scenario would require the device to already be compromised.

    Yes you can open our safe with just a good yank but if a thief can do that they’re already in your house.

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Microsoft - So secure we ROT13 encode everything... TWICE!

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I don’t worry, I just don’t use Edge or Windows or any MS software really (except for Teams at work)

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Nothing in this timeline surprises me any more.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    They say not to worry because they know nobody uses that dumpster fire of a browser so there's no actual risk of your passwords being leaked since you're not using it anyways.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago

    And this is why you don't give microslop anything

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    phew it’s an expected feature, thank goodness!!!

    if they patch this, they should be dragged through the town square after that comment

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (9 children)
  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    Edge is on my computer, and I can't delete it, at least not with my limited IT experience. It's buried deep in the operating system, and it opens up seemingly randomly, I use firefox.

    Looking online about getting rid of it, others described it as cancer.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Not sure how it works in Win11 but historically it has not been possible to remove Internet Explorer or Edge from Windows.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    I have refused the upgrade and I'm still on Windows 10 which also sucks by the way. The old 2013 ish operating system, I think windows 7, had a task manager that could actually help manage your computer even if you don't know everything about a computer.

    And so much more, everything is going to shit especially in electronics. We seriously need just a complete set of Open Source or otherwise trustworthy alternatives.

    Or a way to wipe the programming off of products we buy and install our own programming, but they would make that illegal if that caught on.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    The solution is to use Linux Mint.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I'm afraid as I am on my backup computer, and I worry that if I try to change over I will not do it correctly as has been the case every single time I've tried to download a program to accept zip files, or torrents I don't know what my deal is.

    I really do want to switch over, I am working on fixing my better computer. More than anything I want a graphene OS phone.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Good that you want to switch, take your time, don't be afraid. There are many resources online for how to switch without accidentally deleting or losing access to things. I have been using Linux Mint for over a year now switching from Windows 10 and I haven't run into any limitations or issues. It's been a great learning experience and has overall lead to me being more technologically savvy. If you have any questions there are many places to discuss, feel free to ask.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    This is why gamers should reject kernel anti cheats. A single dev at a single company that requires one could read them as easily as any other file. I'm not exaggerating, unless I'm misinformed

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    Wow, that's bad.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    Trust me bro

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    M365 chat also fetches a copy of whatever secured file links you send to each other. Goes without saying, but never use Microsoft products if you value security.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    How will the NSA spy on you if Microsoft doesn't hand them your passwords?

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    Eh. To be honest it indeed does not matter much. Scanning your RAM for passwords is much harder than simply reading them off the browsers files. Sure, it is encrypted and the key is not necessarily on your computer, but remember that if the software can decrypt your passwords without you inputting a password or similar, then anything with access to your device can as well.

    Don't use your browser's password manager.

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    [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Moms insists on pen an paper! Omg!

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago*

    Fuck Microslop Fuck windows 11

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    Btw, don't ever copy&paste from your password manager, if that's a problem. That's what memory protection mechanisms in hardware and software are for.

    The problem is, the weird way it is implemented in Edge and how MS handles the issue.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago*

    Btw, don't ever copy&paste from your password manager, if that's a problem

    Maybe, but at least with my password manager, they'd only get passwords as I use them and not the keys to the kingdom when I open it.

    The problem is, the weird way it is implemented in Edge and how MS handles the issue.

    "Handles the issue" is a weird way to say they don't give a shit about protecting your passwords. They had to change this behavior, because chromium doesn't do this by default, so it's not really even negligence in Microsoft at that point. They chose to do this.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    What is even the point of the DPAPI?

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    How can a company manage to be so bafflingly incompetent and why are there people out there still standing for it.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    don't worry bb

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I haven't used a Microsoft browser or operating syatem in almost 25 years.

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    [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    .... They are so bad

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