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[–] 208 points 6 months ago (143 children)

One side aligns with my views 70% of the time. The other actively wants me and everyone like me to die. I refuse to acknowledge the differences between them. I’ll actually deploy this lack of understanding as a weapon to depress voter turnout and make sure the second group gets to wield power!

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    no sane person agrees with democrats 70% of the time lmao, maybe like 25% at best

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  • [–] 49 points 6 months ago (70 children)

    Do you not care about GENOCIDE???

    /s

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  • [–] 31 points 6 months ago (14 children)

    Genocide Joe!

    Making sure the party that continually starts new wars in the Middle East gets elected will surely help my cause!

    “Yeah but you support GENOCIDE!”

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    You say 'Genocide Joe!' like he didn't actually support and enthusiastically aid a genocide.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    Good thing he wasn't on the ballot then

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Good thing the candidate that was on the ballot wasn’t associated with him or his administration in any way and also vigorously denounced genocide at every opportunity! Right? … right??

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Right, Harris sucked. So glad I didn't vote and Trump won instead. That has worked out so much better for Iran and the rest of the world, too. Could you imagine even trying to justify voting in the last election?!?!

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Oops, that damn goalpost keeps moving around! Better tie it down!

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago

    More like supported and slightly reluctantly aided.

    I expect there were guardrails that Israel was careful not to cross. You know, like completely flattening Gaza and demolishing southern Lebanon.

    It's still AIPAC fueled genocide, but I definitely preferred the slower version to what we have now.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (14 children)

    So, actually that question though? Genocide used to be a really, really bad thing, and here you're making light of it. I feel like people have lost the plot a bit if they talk about an actual genocide like this. "Yeah, sure they committed a bit of genocide, but have you seen the other guy?" I feel like I'm losing my mind

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (4 children)

    Yes, genocide is bad. You know what's worse? MORE genocide. That's what we got from people not voting because of it.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    If you market yourself as being against fascism, maybe don't vehemently support a different fascist regime and shout down anyone who questions it.

    The fact that people like you are spending your energy getting pissy with the voters and not the fucking Democratic party who refused to change their stance is fucking insane.

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  • [–] -3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    surprise: I can hold two thoughts in my head at once

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Thoughts, sure. You've chosen to spend your time attacking those who wanted change, not the ones who refused to not back the systemic murder of an entire people.

    Priorities.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you didn't realize I'm a different person.

    The two thoughts I hold are "on election day, it's self-gratifying not to vote for the outcome with the highest lows, raising the floor" and "before and after election day, do whatever you can to make the lives of politicians who fail miserable and support better candidates, up to and including civil unrest"

    Not voting is categorically ineffective. There may be plenty of things more effective than voting, but not voting isn't one of them.

    People love to present this scenario like it's a lever with three positions: candidate A, candidate B, or civil unrest. But it's not. It's one switch with two buttons (candidate a, candidate b) and another separate button for civil unrest. You can do both

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

    We have had years of constant video footage of it happening. Being desensitized is bound to happen.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I don't know what kind of person could look at parents being handed the remains of their child in plastic baggies and at any point in their life go "oh wow are they still going on about the genocide?"

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  • [–] -4 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    The only ones making light of genocide are the ones who helped make more of it happen through their refusal to vote for harm reduction.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    No, it's the people like you who are going: people should have voted for some genocide to prevent more genocide, instead of saying something sane like: maybe the fucking Democrats shouldn't have been promoting a fascist in Israel while running on being anti fascist

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  • [–] -4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    instead of

    LIAR! Of fucking course the Democrats shouldn't have been doing that! Nobody's disputing that! You are inventing a false dichotomy out of thin fucking air!

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Who's lying? You, right here in this thread, are ragging on the voters. Not the genocide supporting Democrats who refused to stop supporting fascist Netanyahu.

    You have decided to spend your energy not attacking the corrupt shitbags, but the people who are stuck STILL asking them to change their stance. What the fuck are you fighting for?

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  • [–] -4 points 6 months ago

    You are cherry-picking only the things I said in this thread to try to crucify me for being on-topic. That's disingenuous bullshit and you fucking know it.

    And besides that...

    Not the genocide supporting Democrats who refused to stop supporting fascist Netanyahu.

    What part of "of fucking course the Democrats shouldn’t have been doing that" did you not understand? I did, in fact, criticize genocide-supporting Democrats right in the very comment you replied to!

    And moreover, EVERY SINGLE OTHER COURSE OF ACTION SUPPORTED FASCIST NETANYAHU EVEN MORE.

    You have decided to spend your energy not attacking the corrupt shitbags, but the people who are stuck STILL asking them to change their stance. What the fuck are you fighting for?

    I'm fighting for you to quit being delusional accelerationist dipshits who cause more genocide, among countless other catastrophes, through your sheer stupidity!

    I ALSO fight for replacing the genocide-supporting Democrats with something better, IN OTHER TIMES AND CONTEXTS WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY APPROPRIATE! And fuck you for telling lies, falsely claiming I don't!

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  • [–] [S] 22 points 6 months ago (39 children)
  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago* (9 children)

    i'm somewhat of a centrist so i think it's gotta be somewhere between these two:

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    Those are both encapsulated at the bottom of the meme!

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    i mean not really, it's not out of moralism that i choose not to vote for genocidal warmonger red/blue, in fact the moralism is thinking voting for genocidaires is 'pragmatic'. not to mention continuing to votescold people over a year later lmao

    organizing outside electoralism builds actual power. voting for slightly different managers of the same bloodthirsty war machine doesn't

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    While organizing outside electoralism is great, electoralism is still the primary way power is apportioned in this country. Abandoning electoralism is ceding power to people who will use it for evil.

    The stakes are the future of the world.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    if the 'future of the world' hinges on genociding an expendible out-group and the system is powerless to change that, then i choose to walk away from omelas

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    Voting for neither is the same as voting for both.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    It must be so nice having worldviews that can be fully encapsulated by trolley memes

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    Well first you gotta gimme an example of one that wouldn’t fit.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago* (7 children)

    I guess the view that I want to articulate could be represented as a trolley meme with the following changes:

    1. The lever has only some unknown probability of steering the trolley's path
    2. Millions of other people also influence the lever to degrees which are unknown
    3. The track splits into at least 10 different paths instead of two
    4. There are more splits off of each subsequent path
    5. Each path also produces benefits to some actors (not sure how we'd represent that)

    If I try to simplify these changes, though, then maybe I could depict my view a bit like this?

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  • [–] [S] -3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Either way, you gotta have your hand on the lever!

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Yes, despite my sassiness towards you in this thread this is a true and wise observation that goes ignored too often. My disagreements are not pertaining to the idea of inaction constituting action

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    No worries, I would 100% prefer the proverbial third track, but it isn't connected yet. In the meantime, I'll have extreme disdain for the jackasses standing around moralizing while the train is actively running people over.

    Political power is gained via votes! Vote! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago*

    I mean, yeah, this is why I think my picture turned out pretty good, Because the blue option is the better one in every single junction, but the best outcome cannot be reached by always traversing the blue path. It's interesting to try to figure out which path in that diagram produces the best overall outcome, and then compare that with what produces the best outcome if we only consider the most immediate results. I'm curious which colors you'd vote for if you were at the first junction in my diagram, knowing that your vote does not guarantee the outcome?

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (15 children)

    Needs to be updated to add the Iranian flag to the GOP track. Man, do I wish there were a realistic way to choose that bottom track!

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago* (14 children)

    it's simple, you just don't vote for the genocidal warmonger party, then if enough people do that you win

    blowing up/ derailing the trolly also works

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    And there's no viable way to do that under the current system, which is why the track isn't connected.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago*

    i love how you concede that the system is so dysfunctional you can't even oppose a genocide under it and simultaneously expect me to to believe that individuals voting (or not) is somehow making a meaningful difference in the outcome

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago* (11 children)

    it’s simple, you just don’t vote for the genocidal warmonger party, then if enough people do that you win

    THAT'S NOT HOW VOTING WORKS!

    People have to vote FOR the OTHER party, or else the genocidal warmonger party wins anyway!

    You are saying shit that is both moronic and factually untrue.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    you know there's a non-genocidal warmonger party which could also be voted for.

    I voted for them last election and don't regret it

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    you know there’s a non-genocidal warmonger party which could also be voted for.

    No there fucking wasn't! Not one that could win! You're a goddamned liar and you are helping the fascists!

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    there's no way anyone could help the fascists more than an 'opposition' party which routinely fails to actually oppose them

    if the democrats had any principles and actually opposed fascism they wouldn't spend so much time punching left

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (7 children)

    there’s no way anyone could help the fascists more than an ‘opposition’ party which routinely fails to actually oppose them

    Yes there is. By actively discouraging opposition to the fascists, which is what you're doing. You are literally delusional.

    if the democrats had any principles and actually opposed fascism they wouldn’t spend so much time punching left

    I'm not even saying you're wrong about the Democrats; I'm saying you're wrong about motherfucking GAME THEORY and MATH! Even acknowledging what you just wrote, YOU STILL HAVE TO VOTE FOR THEM ANYWAY!

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  • [+] 0 points 6 months ago* (7 children)
  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (6 children)

    supporting them uncritically

    your religious conviction

    First of all, anyone who isn't an actual illiterate moron can see that first statement is blatantly not true. Second, you are not fucking entitled to accuse me of religion, you hateful bigot!

    You have been doing nothing in this thread but peddling disinformation, lies, libel, and now intolerance of lack of religion. You need to be banned.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    people insisting on vote-scolding over a year after the election are absolutely supporting them uncritically.

    maybe blind faith would be a better phrasing, but 'hateful bigot' is a bit hyperbolic. after all you're the one advocating for the people who spent years arming a genocidal ethnostate and suppressing all criticism of it

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (4 children)

    after all you’re the one advocating for the people who spent years arming a genocidal ethnostate and suppressing all criticism of it

    You continue to lie. I'm the one advocating AGAINST doing things that help the people actively egging the genocide on, and perpetrating huge numbers of other atrocities while they're at it!

    You, on the other hand, are apparently A-OK with murdering Iranians, Venezuelans, anti-fascist Americans, and too many other thousands upon thousands of other people to even keep track of on top of even more Palestinians than would've been killed under the ONLY alternative. And you're apparently likewise A-OK with destroying democracy, the rule of law, the global environment, and everything else while you're at it. You apparently love corruption. You apparently love child rape. You even apparently love genocide, because your actions do not match your words and the actual result of your actions resulted in MORE of it.

    You endorse every atrocity because the lesser-evil candidate didn't pass your demented purity test. That is what actual fucking evil looks like.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    You, on the other hand, are apparently A-OK with murdering Iranians, Venezuelans, anti-fascist Americans, and too many other thousands upon thousands of other people to even keep track of on top of even more Palestinians than would've been killed under the ONLY alternative. And you're apparently likewise A-OK with destroying democracy, the rule of law, the global environment, and everything else while you're at it. You apparently love corruption. You apparently love child rape. You even apparently love genocide, because your actions do not match your words and the actual result of your actions resulted in MORE of it.

    are you okay? you're getting kind of unhinged.

    I don't endorse any of that, my vote made zero fucking difference in the election. the democrats eating shit is their own fault and nobody elses. you are indistinguishable from a religious zealot lmao

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    are you okay? you’re getting kind of unhinged.

    I'm sick and tired of people like you ruining the future of my children (let alone everybody else's) through your sheer fucking stupidity. And you're still trying to make it worse by continuing to spread your disinformation!

    I don’t endorse any of that

    Yes, you do! YES YOU DO! That's what refusing to practice harm reduction does: it endorses the harm. That blood absolutely is on your hands, whether you admit it to yourself or not!

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    me:

    the democrats have no principles and don't actually oppose fascism

    you:

    I’m not even saying you’re wrong about the Democrats

    the democrats are not credible opponents of fascism, the only people responsible for their failures are them.

    you can blame me all you like, but i think the people enabling a feckless opposition in the face of climate catastrophe and rising fascism are the ones fucking things up for your kids.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago

    the democrats are not credible opponents of fascism

    And yet there is no other alternative that actually exists, so we're stuck with them, credible or not! The only -- only! -- way forward that has even a slim chance of success is to try to get better people to win Democratic primaries, not to suicidally punish them in the general election. At that point, they're the least-bad option no matter how feckless they are!

    That's reality in accordance with the cold hard math of game theory, and nobody gives a fuck if you like it.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    EDIT: RIP Master of All Science, apparently.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    funnything in rick and morty, the very same episode supernova says"what is is-rayel" referring to israel, rick and morty and FAMILY guy are 1 of the 2 shows that poke fun of the ridiculous of hte gaza/palestine conflict.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    One side aligns with my views 70% of the time.

    That's an optimistic percentage, and yet still not an excuse to avoid voting for them.

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  • [+] 17 points 6 months ago (11 children)
  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    I am both brown and from a third world (both in the original unaligned sense and in the newer impoverished sense) country. You fucked us over with Trump.

    The slaves didn't care that Lincoln said in his debates with Douglas that whites were superior to blacks and that he supported an Illinois law against miscegenation. They cared that he removed them from bondage. Smart people take whatever progress they can get.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    Republicans destroying USAID is expected to kill how many millions of brown people in third world countries? How many children unvaccinated and uneducated?

    But both sides apparently are the same

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  • [+] 1 point 6 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] [S] 3 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Missed your username, naturally you think feeding the hungry is an evil CIA plot.

    Not that you actually care about the lives of brown people in 3rd world countries except as a way to generate outrage, but 92 million lives saved is the estimate.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Don't need to trust them. You can trust the literal CIA when their staff says USAID helps them achieve in the open what they used to do covertly and thus freeing resources from the agency (to REALLY focus on the unspeakably evil shit)

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  • [+] 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)
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    The US messed up most of Latin America. USAID makes things better. Removing USAID makes things worse. It doesn't matter whether it is out of benevolence (the real reason is that making Latin America better means the US doesn't have to deal with a migrant crisis). What matters is that it's better than the alternative.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago

    technically second world, but anything not white is third world to you people

    Then maybe you shouldn't keep using that language. You're the one that introduced it during your first comment

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  • [–] -5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    USAID caused more damage than help, I am glad trump destroyed it, altho for the wrong reasons.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    "Yay for more starving children, yippee!"

    Ghoul.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago

    it is propaganda method by the right, like your vote doesnt matter. thats how we end up getting schumers and hakeems of the congress, when less people vote, more conservative candidates are elected, this includes the DINOs. maine is currently fighting with susan collins, mills and platner 2 of them are conservatives.

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  • [–] 27 points 6 months ago (35 children)

    One side aligns with my views 70% of the time

    False.

    One side SAYS they align with their views, and then do the same shit as Republicans, and kind of just expect you to swallow excuses. Meanwhile we've watched Donald act unilaterally with near absolute power for two years, so we know objectively that the lack of power was (and is) never the problem. It was that they didn't actually support what they said they did.

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    You don't know his views, he could be really into fracking, small business owners, and war.

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  • [+] 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    should terrify everyone.

    LOL

    People can't pay their grocery bills, rent, get an abortion, and are being criminalized for being homeless and I'm still hearing people talking about norms as if that is the important issue.

    It is a massive negative that Democrats, having had the power to change the (air quotes) "democratic process" at least twice in the last 20 years, across multiple economic calamities for workers, chose not to do so. (Conveniently while increasing their own wealth exponentially in the process.)

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  • [+] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)
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    Someone that actually wants to disrupt the ills of the system could have tried effectively using the DOJ to imprison every pedophile, traitor, and corrupt politician currently in office, that would leave a nice heap of missing seats in the senate, getting a majority would be much easier. Remove the filibuster and pack the courts with a fresh set of folks like KBJ.

    While you're at it, use the DOE to enforce radical a climate agenda that disrupts the power of oil. You could even use the climate emergency to justify massive reductions in military presence around the world, letting the military budget go towards jobs programs for local green development. They could actually follow leahy laws and cut all military aid to Israel.

    I would have hoped from the Trump presidency, more folks would realize the rules are largely built on biased interpretations and that you can bias those in other directions to make the country better. Now maybe you think I am absurd in my views, but maybe we can compromise a bit further than spending months with websites and means testing to slowly roll out partial student debt relief while giving all the time in the world for the right to send court cases against it. Put simply a Trump of the left would have done the effective thing of simply abolishing the debt unilaterally and giving the courts the much more difficult task of reinstating debt, rather than moving slow enough that it's stopped before it starts.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (26 children)

    See you say the same shit as repulicans but thats literally what the post is about. Democrats were never going to repeal abortion rights or the voting rights acts.they were never going to start an oil crisis or a trade war and tank the economy the same way. They were never going to support ice the same way (they actually just held out on a partial government shutdown and exceeded my expectations in doing so). Saying that they do the same is a straight up lie. And I'm not saying dems are perfect. The bar is in hell. But they aren't doing the same.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (25 children)

    Democrats were never going to repeal abortion rights

    Roe v Wade was repealed under Biden

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (6 children)

    I'll argue democract are ineffective to a fault, even ineffective in a weaponizable way to punish their consitutients for straying from the center. Again, the bar is in hell. But they did not repeal abortion rights directly and never would have.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    No, they simply refused to do anything to stop the repeal, of course.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (4 children)

    Why are you saying this like it conflicts with anything I've said?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I'm not. I'm saying the difference is meaningless in results though.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    It's not though. The Democrats are feckless. You'll see them in the dictionary when looking up weaponized incompetence (OK that has a vaguely different meaning but you know what I mean). But if the right had never gained power, the momentum to lose these rights never would have begun.

    Doing something =/= letting something happen

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (17 children)

    By republicans. Clearly you've never had a civics course or you wouldn't say stupid shit that shows you don't understand how the US federal government functions.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    I'm well aware of how the US government functions, dipshit. You're saying that because the results of your failed strategy are apparent.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Clearly you don't.

    You don't 'reinforce' a law when there is established legal precedent because, there is legal precedent.

    That's like making more laws saying murder is illegal.

    You accellerationists have such a chronic lack of understanding how this government functions.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    You're the only one bringing up an idea of "reinforcement".

    On the other hand, you do absolutely legislate law when abortion protections only had a SCOTUS case protecting them, especially since it was one that they'd been nibbling at for decades. Which is part of the reason that it'd been a topic for decades, and a campaign promise of Obama. One he decided later to just forget about.

    a chronic lack of understanding how this government functions

    It's always funny to see the shitlibs show off the fantasy they construct to protect their sad worldview.

    Look around at the US. This is your doing. You guys won. You drove the politics since the 90's - and this is the result. None of this was a surprise to anyone but you.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I'm bringing up the correct terms here. When the supreme court decided something was legal there's zero reason to reinforce those legal issues as they are settled law. Every conservative on the court also confirmed this was settled law during their confirmation hearings. They obviously lied. But you can't legislate based off of Calvinball.

    It’s always funny to see the shitlibs show off the fantasy they construct to protect their sad worldview.

    Oh fuck off dude. I'm a shit lib? You guys don't even fucking vote during the primaries so your candidates never make the general elections. All people like you do is snipe on the sidelines and never participate.

    People like you are literally why the left loses so goddamn always.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    The point is that Biden could've made it unrepealable, but didn't

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    How? By what mechanism could he prevent the supreme court from overturning established legal understanding? Because that's not a thing the president gets to do, like what the fuck are you even talking about?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    Court packing, among others. Something the Democrats, who controlled both houses and the Presidency, chose not to do.

    https://www.stevenslee.com/appellate/heeding-fdrs-cautionary-tale-biden-says-no-to-adding-supreme-court-justices/

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    That's not something the president can do, that's a power of Congress. Thank you for proving my point.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Are you unaware that Biden was elected with both houses of Congress in 2020?

    Thank you for proving my point.

    That you don't understand what political parties are, or . . .?

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    So you don't understand that the executive branch doesn't control the legislative is what you're saying. You're asking why the president didn't do something the president can't do because only Congress can, and you're also pretending the democratic party is exactly as in lock step as the republican party (which is either stupid or disingenuous to the point of bad faith) so I can only conclude you're either participating in bad faith or don't actually know what the fuck you're talking about in the first place.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Oh, I see - you're busy pretending that the President isn't the leader of his party, and can't use the bully pulpit. Or that Biden didn't explicitly reject that, as the source I provided shows.

    I gotcha. Can I ask what the point of making this fantasy world for yourself to live in is? Owning the tankies, or . . . ? Because it's just making you lose your supposed political goals.

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    There you go thinking the way republicans behave and treat the office applies exactly to Dems again. Obama barely got the fuckin ACA through Congress with a supermajority so your position that the president leads the party is pretty goddamn stupid. Only republicans do that demagogue shit, so we're back to you being bad faith or ignorant.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    Obama barely got the fuckin ACA through Congress with a supermajority

    Again, all you're doing is making a case for why voting for the Democratic Party is a bad idea.

    so we're back to you being bad faith or ignorant.

    These are literally your arguments that the Democrats are supposedly incapable of doing anything. Not mine.

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Jesus Christ, you ever get tired running those goalposts all over the fuckin place? Like taking to a fucking fox news viewer. At this point I'm convinced you're both bad faith and quite ignorant, so congratulations on being a republican water carrier I guess.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Buddy, I've worn out more foot leather going door to door for the Dems than your mom has on her Dom costume.

    You're the one arguing the Democrats can't do anything. You wonder then why people don't vote for them?

    Typical liberal nonsense, thinks politics is just an excuse to show they're a better class of person (even if they have to make it up). Nothing but secular Calvinism.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    Donald acting unilaterally is not just a matter of a color map on the senate chart. It’s also a matter of a well-funded cult of worship that can never allow any dissonance.

    Imagine a Democrat, in a majority, introduced a bill to make streets safer and add bike lanes. Imagine two Democratic senators rebutted “Hey, I don’t like that. I enjoy my F-150.” They probably wouldn’t be instantly kicked from the party and have their homes threatened to be burnt down. They’d have people gently try to negotiate with them.

    On the other hand, let’s say a Democrat wanted a bigger change like jail time for use of a Nazi swastika, or the death penalty for ICE agents, or deploying troops to assist Ukraine. They wouldn’t really have a guarantee that every single senator in the Democratic aisle would stand against an impeachment action, because they don’t have that religious following; just general shared motives.

    Democrats are allowed to disagree. It’s often a good premise that prevents all-out corruption or oligarchy, but it’s a notable weakness to account for when pushing landmark legislation off what people call a solid majority. Other comments have pointed out the original VRA passed with the help of Republicans because some Democrats stood against it.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    Let's grant your premise. I don't think if I had a friend who liked 70% of the same shit as me but I found out the other 30 they're assaulting kids, killing minorities, sending money I gave them to genocidaires, doing unspeakable atrocities to ALL of the people outside our shared neighborhood, and being buddy buddy with the other dudes who do that shit 100% of the time, I would just not want to hang out with that guy.

    Maybe I'm built different tho.

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  • [+] -19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (17 children)
  • [–] 25 points 6 months ago (16 children)

    Wait, who does the left want to die?

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Nazis, slavers, and unrepentant pedophiles mostly.

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  • [–] 32 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Um, the right obviously! I want everyone on the opposite side to die so obviously the other side must feel the same!

    Genuinely hard to not be black pilled by this constant bullshit like as if there are genuinely elected officials making comments about "MAGA hunting" or some shit. Literally only one side wants to eat the other. One wants death the other wants brunch. Fucking hell.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    No I absolutely want fascists to die. A world where we allow fascists to live is a world that will fall to fascism, because fascists don't play by the same rules as the rest of us.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Yeah. I get the SPIRIT of the idea, but MAGA has committed WAY more than enough heinous crimes where I'd ACCEPT them being thrown of out power, but in my heart of hearts on my extended wishlist I'd like to see them all drawn and quartered.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I mean I see conservatives say it all the time they believe liberals want them dead. Like nah just dont be fucking assholes and pedophiles lol

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    Mostly it’s, GTFO of my personal life that doesn’t affect you. Practice some of that liberty you like to pay lip service too. Admit there is a gun proliferation issue and address it.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago*

    Plenty of them do. People like tucker Carlson and Alex Jones have audiences. And for God's sake /r/conservative, and practically all of reddit is a conservative hatefest now.

    Edit: nevermind, I misunderstood this comment originally.

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