Japan’s Minister of Defense Shinjirō Koizumi posed with a cardboard drone on Monday during a meeting with drone manufacturer AirKamuy. The AirKamuy 150 is a cheap pre-fab cardboard drone meant to die on the battlefield and it comes shipped in a flatpack like an IKEA shelf.

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[–] 92 points 6 months ago (11 children)

Whoever passed over the name Origami-Kaze should be fired

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  • [–] 21 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Often non-native speakers don’t see puns the same way as native speakers. It might be a case of the kanji for origami and the kanji for kamikaze are unrelated and therefore may not rhyme in japanese. I don’t know enough about japanese to be sure though.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    Kami meaning god and kami* meaning paper do have different pitch accent patterns, but that's never kept Japanese speakers from doing wordplay. In fact, the pun works even better in Japanese than it does in English. However, I think they would be confused why someone would want to name it that for a couple of reasons:

    1. The suicide bombers from WW2 would probably not be the first thing on their mind when hearing the word "kamikaze". In the first place, the reason they were called kamikaze was because they were likened to the "divine wind" that prevented the Mongols from invading Japan twice. And the few times I've actually heard "kamikaze" being used in Japanese, it's always used figuratively.
    2. It's not actually made of folded paper. This is danbooru kurafuto (cardboard crafts), not origami.

    *) It becomes "gami" in "origami" because it's the second part of a compound word, but the word on its own is "kami".

    EDIT: I just realised something: the company making these is called AirKamuy. "Kamuy" is the Ainu word for god. So if you squint real hard, it does kind of invoke kamikaze. Probably not intentional, though.

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    You're basically right. The kami in origami means paper 紙 while the kami in kamikaze means god 神. That doesn't mean you couldn't make a pun about it, but the more fundamental problem is that kamikaze does not mean "suicide attack" in Japanese. The actual word for it is tokkou 特攻, a euphemism that means "special attack".
    Kamikaze originally refers to this historical event where a "divine wind" protected Japan from invasion. The term was later used in relation to suicide attacks, but I think tokkou is the word that's more commonly associated with the WW2 suicide attacks in Japanese and kamikaze has kept its original definition.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    It doesn't sound clever at all in Japanese though.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Good to have that independently confirmed

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    yeah sorry, I sounded like a dick there.

    It's just that because Japanese has so many homonyms, the number of characters used (therefore number of syllables) plays an important role when you make a clever pun. Also, kamikaze is just the devine wind, and we associate the suicide attacks with the word tokkoutai, especially in WWII Pacific Theatre, or kesshitai in general. So while origami-kaze sounds awesome in English, it doesn't work that well in English. Hope that makes sense!

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    I cant wait til we’re all firing at each other with condensed fecal matter at mach 7.

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Our species is really good at getting creative with low-budget weapons, whether it's diseased blankets or catapulting our own plagued corpses at each other.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    That’s right, the medieval era. Ridiculous shit man.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    The blankets were given to Native Americans by colonists. I forget whether they knew or not, but the American genocide is 100% real.

    The lobbing corpses thing is attributed to Genghis Khan, and it may be apocryphal.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Consider the Nazi atrocities and how everyone (rightfully) marks it as the worst event (at least in my environment) in history.

    I wonder, if all historic events that belong to that category of severe events (whole timeline of events. From end to finish), were to be put into a closer vicinity in the timeline so that everything is viewed less historically and more emotionally equal as to what happened.

    Who would be the worst offenders?
    The Spanish
    The Portuguese
    The Chinese
    The Germans
    The Japanese
    The Britains
    The Americans
    (Did the koreans do anything in regards to a genocide/ethnic cleansing?)
    Some other (historic) state?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    The Nazis are a bit of a special case. Exterminating the Jews was because they believed the Jews were evil. Yes, there have been arguably "worse" genocides, and the American one may well be - but those were more in order to further another goal, namely occupying land.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago

    Nintendo Labo 2.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    flatpack like an IKEA shelf

    And at a size of 0.5% of an Olympic swimming pool

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    That refers to the form, not the size. Like it's not a cube or cylindrical box, but a flat cuboid.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Building something like that is fairly trivial. What the article doesn't talk about is the sensor or communications package these things will carry. I suspect the $2000 price tag doesn't include any of that.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    For $2000 it better have something. The real question is how good though - $2000 greatly limits what you can do, but a pi,, 5 mile radio, and a camera well fit into that budget, while a full AI system that can navigate without GPS someplace and then decide on a target cannot.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    Very traditional.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Australia sent something similar to Ukraine a few years ago, but I haven't heard too much about them since.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    It was only a matter of time, and I'm surprised that it's taken this long for a cardboard drone to come to market. Dirt cheap, but strong enough to hold together to deliver the payload.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    But I assumed the airframe was probably the cheapest component after electronics guidance and munitions were added?

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    An environmentally friendly drone!

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    What is the difference between a “suicide drone” and a missile? Both are just guided to run into their target. It’s not like an ICBM wants to return home after dropping the payload.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Weren't our kamikaze planes made of paper too?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Not much substance in the article unless you pay.

    Difficult to assess anything from it, one would hope they've calculated everything correctly. I know cardboard can be strong. But I have doubts about it's rigidity and longevity. These things have to handle being stored in an improvised bunker that's probably damp.

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  • [–] 134 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    At least they don't put people in them this time 😅

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Sending young pilots to death in a rapidly aging society would be bad.

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  • [–] 45 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    This is an approach that could never succeed in the U.S., because there the focus is always on throwing as much money as possible at the defense contractors so that the billionaires can get even richer.

    A current example: the war of aggression against Iran that the U.S. is waging in violation of international law.

    To my knowledge, not even a halfway plausible reason has been given for this. And so it becomes quite clear that this is simply about shifting state resources into the pockets of the super-rich - and U.S. citizens just go along with it, even though it isn’t even them who are dying by the thousands, but rather, among others, Iranian schoolchildren, hundreds of whom were murdered simply by a bombing of a school...

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    The usa military budget is non comparable to european military budgets, they pay for different things. IMO.

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    In addition, they patrol the entire planets oceans, and are the main reason why you don't have pirates just taking ships constantly.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    (I'm not necessarily saying piracy is bad...)

    But I feel like the violent enforcement of extreme inequality is what creates pirates, not what stops them.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    No, mass scale looting of ships is stopped by armed navies, along with the instant communication and remote viewing that make it impossible to do it without anyone noticing. You don't even need severe inequality for people to think about stealing 100 million dollar cargo moving slowly by itself.

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  • [–] 35 points 6 months ago

    That's the eco-friendliness we deserve, and from Japan no less.

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  • [–] 27 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    This will never fly in Seattle! Too wet.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago

    The number of our amazon boxes will block out the sun.

    Then we will fight in the shade.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    So… like a very slow missile then?

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Doubt they have much carrying capacity for explosives like a shahed drone which is $25k, while these $2k cardboard drones are great for surveillance with little concern for loss.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago

    It doesn't take much explosive to defeat infantry.

    Sure, it isn't flying across the country to hit an installation like a Shahed, but it could function as a longer-range, loitering mortar round.

    Lots of small payloads would be useful if you can put a lot of them in the right place: blast fragmentation, HEDP, thermobaric, smoke, illumination, etc.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (1 child)
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    Thats one hell of a papercut

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    But why would you use a drone to commit suicide?

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    New Amazon assistance suicide subscription.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    I guess that makes the "suicide" part easier to achieve.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    Excited to see one of these bad boys show up at the next WHCD

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    For single use it's not a bad idea honestly but I can't imagine they would carry much and things like the wind might play a big factor.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    According to the article, they are mainly intended as defensive devices. Think of them as anti-drone cardboard chaff.

    AirKamuy Chief Engineer Naoki Morita said that the cardboard drone was mainly envisioned as a counter-drone device. The idea is to fly a swarm of drones in front of other targets and absorb blows. “This is regular cardboard, so no special foam board or material, so every cardboard manufacturer can make this plane,” he said.

    But other uses are possible. Naoki said that the AirKamuy 150 could carry around three pounds, which is just enough to carry a small amount of supplies or munitions to a target and it’s not hard to imagine swarms of incendiary cardboard drones slamming into targets in the near future.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago

    We really gotta stop using the term suicide I'm this context. It's silly this ain't no jihadi jeep

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    [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    I don't know what the defense will be against swarms of thousands of cheap smart bombs. Take them out at the source? Attack Japan's manufacturing even if they aren't in the war? Thousands of a bit more expensive and faster smart interceptors?

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