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[–] 60 points 6 months ago

Food is fucking weird

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  • [–] 59 points 6 months ago* (14 children)

    An overdue existential crisis, or moment of clarity, caused by a lifetime of routine alienation between the consumer, the product, the store, the factory pen and butchery.

    Mom should read Marx, and The Jungle.

    Maybe pick up hunting, if she wants to see what it takes from her own pov.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    I was pressured into going hunting a few times with my dad growing up, and I ended up killing a few deer. It's something I'm not proud of, one among many things I came to regret later in life.

    I used to think "If you can't or won't kill it personally, then you shouldn't eat it" was an argument in support of hunting. Now I think of it as an argument in support of vegetarianism. Funny how perspective changes everything...

    What's also funny is how as a society we say things like "kids who kill bugs grow up to be psychopaths," yet we totally normalize hunting as a sport. Why is that? For that matter, why don't we say "anyone who eats animal flesh is a psychopath?"

    As if being five steps removed from the suffering and death somehow abstracts the cruelty so that one can indulge in the pleasure of what is produced by it without bearing any moral culpability in the processes by which that meat arrived on one's plate?

    Why is it only the forms of cruelty that society doesn't accept as cultural pastimes that are considered taboo? I should rephrase. Why does society accept some forms of cruelty and not others?

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    As if being five steps removed from the suffering and death somehow abstracts the cruelty so that one can indulge in the pleasure of what is produced by it without bearing any moral culpability in the processes by which that meat arrived on one’s plate?

    This, and as a vegan it infuriates/despairs me when people whom I otherwise like and respect just never turn a thought towards this dissonance in their lives. They may care deeply about social injustices and oppression, but see no problem with continuing to participate in the mass torture and murder of non-human sentient creatures. So by now when someone says they "love animals", my first (internal) reaction is a bitter snort, because it's extremely rare that such people are even vegetarian, let alone vegan.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    The principal difference ia that you see the death of a non-sapient animal as murder and I ascribe it the same ethical weight whether a person or a lion does it. It's not "dissonance" it's a foundational disagreement on inherent morality, our place in nature, and the "value of life".

    There's lots to complain about regarding the factory farming industry (environmental impact foremost in my mind, and the needlessly inhumane conditions they're raised in) but eating meat is not imo itself a cruel act.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Definitely, my comment was made within the practical reality of what "eating meat" involves for the vast majority of people living in Western societies. If animals would just be painlessly and "stresslessly" euthanised, I would have almost zero issues with the concept. (And yes, I'm setting higher standards for humans than for predators re: painlessly/stresslessly, because we do have both the means and a sense of right and wrong, unlike lions.)

    I don't see life itself as valuable - a life filled with suffering imho is not necessarily better than nonexistence, though of course this is up to each entity to decide about themselves. (And for this reason I'm also pro-euthanasia / assisted dying.)

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  • [+] 2 points 6 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    +1 to the existential exploration.

    A little more lot and she'll eventually stumble in to "Where did this existence come from? Why is there matter to have a universe, why is there any existence at all? If God exists, how was he created?"

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago

    Or she is on a few different neurospectra, and gets species dysphoria as a regular thing and finds it funny as well.

    But yeah after stopping being a vegetarian I went and killed a lot of animals for other people to balance the scales. Now I prefer if my terrestrial meat had a name, not number.

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  • [–] 173 points 6 months ago (3 children)
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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (9 children)

    I feel for mom. I want to be vegan but I hate legumes. So instead of becoming protein deficient because I refuse to eat beans, I'll just wait for lab-grown meat to finally get USDA (FDA?) approval.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Even chickpeas, lentils, or peanuts? I dislike western beans but I'm fine with these others which are (IMO) quite superior.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Tofu, seitan, synthesized pea or soy protein… where I live, you can get vegan nonfat skyr that tastes every bit as funky as real skyr, and although it does have a hollow, oaty aftertaste, you can counter it pretty easily by adding a fat (I tend to carefully temper melted vegan butter and just add that) or using it with something (like jam, oats, and wheat germ/flaxseed) or as a thickener/creamy/cultured element in a recipe

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (2 children)

    I avoid soy protein because I heard it can promote estrogen production. Correct me if I'm wrong.

    Plus I just like steak and octopus too much. I'll wait for lab-grown meat.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    That estrogen thing is wrong. There's more estrogen in the meat people consume, far more, and you never hear anyone about that.

    If you're worried about stuff like that, you'd do much better avoiding PFAS, which can affect male fertility. And cause cancer and a bunch of other diseases.

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  • [–] 36 points 6 months ago (13 children)

    I'm pretty weirded out by everyone in this thread saying Mom is high as fuck or having a mental break because this feels like a pretty normal series of thoughts to me, and not like something that would be distressing or brought on by distress.

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  • [+] 18 points 6 months ago (5 children)
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    The shift in the unseen eyes as the thread takes hold, suffocating and spinning; a meal for me, an annoyance for you. In the corners you don't check, a cornucopia of opportunity as yet another morsel is discarded, attracting them by the droves, your apathy to your own glutton as forgotten as the coconut you keep under your bed. (And, scene.)

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago

    It does probably help a lot with poetry, too, to look at the world for what it is, rather than navigating it on auto-pilot.

    I think you hit the nail on the head here. Very few people are capable of examining their loop for what it really is, let alone going off autopilot.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    You're just casually slogging through dissociative existentialism on a regular basis?

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    [–] 24 points 6 months ago

    Sounds like mom just took a hit of some gooooood shit.

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Is this your mum?

    From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel. I aspired to the purity of the Blessed Machine. Your kind cling to your flesh, as though it will not decay and fail you. One day the crude biomass you call a temple will wither, and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved, for the Machine is immortal… Even in death I serve the Omnissiah.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    I been procrastinating this translation for a while but now warhammer and poetry are in the same context, I simply have to.

    (In case you wanna listen to it)

    I want to be mechanized.

    vroom, vroom, vroom!
    clank clank clank!

    I want to be mechanized.
    This [feeling] comes from my brain, from my flesh, from my bones.
    I go mad to get my hands on every dynamo.
    My saliva-covered tongue is licking copper wires.
    The auto-draisine in my veins is chasing down locomotives.

    vroom,
    vroom!

    clank clank clank!

    I want to be mechanized.
    Certainly I will find a solution to this.
    And then I will be content only
    the day I mount a turbine in my abdomen, and
    append a double-propulsor on my tailplane!

    vroom vroom
    clank clank clank!

    I want to be mechanized!

    - Nazim Hikmet, 1923. Makinalaşmak İstiyorum.

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago

    Don’t you go aristotling on me

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago

    Someone got into the edibles lol

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  • [–] 36 points 6 months ago* (8 children)

    That’s because it is poetry. Mom might need a psych eval, but it’s still poetry (and I love it).

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  • [–] 28 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (7 children)
    //  I cooked a steak tonight 
    //           and was feeling    alien
    // 
    //  How weird this gross piece
    //           of cold raw flesh
    //             on a cold plate is
    //
    //  and I was thinking 
    //                I am just an animal 
    //  with the luxury of packaged flesh
    //              and is it human flesh? 
    //  Like 
    //                    I wouldn't know
    
    //  We just believe it's a cow  but
    //
    //                         we don't
    //
    //               have fucking proof
    //
    //                      of anything
    //
    //  
    //  The knife went through the same
    // 
    //          as if it was my own leg
    // 
    //  -Mom
    
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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Trying desperately to recall AP English classes to remember which poet was particularly renowned for doing unusual spacing and alignment in poems like this. Hemmingway?

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago

    Deep Thoughts by Werner Herzog.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Is your mom channeling Phillip K Dick?

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago

    Mom accidentally dropped an existential poem in the group chat and then probably went back to doing dishes.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    OPs mom definitely got high as hell before eating her steak.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    I mean, has she tried her leg?

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    Mom, did you find my shroom stash and how much did you take?

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    We should normalize poetry.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    Mom tried the edibles.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    that lady is dissociating. get her some therapy.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago*

    I place the rotisserie chicken onto the cutting board and grab one wing firmly, then with a practiced hand, twist and dislocate the wing from its shoulder. I pause for a moment to look at the joints in my own fingers, then continue to dismember the rest of the chicken with my bare hands.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    Mom got woke

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  • [–] 35 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Mom is beginning to see through her cultural conditioning to things that the owner class meant to be invisible. Mom is made of meat and the flesh on her table was once an individual like her, maybe even a mom like her, and Mom let herself become complicit in a system that makes one victim the victim of another victim all for the enrichment of the cruel and hateful creatures with economic power.

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    This goes back way further than ownership. We’re talking millions of years. Dinosaurs feasting on dinosaurs. We’re a little speck of dust on a speck of dust in the blink of an eye to the vast, uncaring universe.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    We are the universe just as much as anything else. And this universe is likely teeming with life, at least this planet is. Therefore, the universe very much cares.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Fallacy of composition. A car’s tires are made of rubber, doesn’t mean the whole car is made of rubber. Caring is a thing individuals do, not the systems they belong to.

    We’re all living in a capitalist society. Does that mean capitalism cares?

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Sounds like mom got a little crispy herself before dinner.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Nausea, Jean-Paul Sartre

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    “I was walking along the bank of a stream when I saw a mother otter with her cubs, a very endearing sight, I'm sure you'll agree. And even as I watched, the mother otter dived into the water and came up with a plump salmon, which she subdued and dragged onto a half submerged log. As she ate it, while of course it was still alive, the body split and I remember to this day the sweet pinkness of its roes as they spilled out, much to the delight of the baby otters, who scrambled over themselves to feed on the delicacy. One of nature's wonders, gentlemen. Mother and children dining upon mother and children. And that is when I first learned about evil. It is built into the very nature of the universe. Every world spins in pain. If there is any kind of supreme being, I told myself, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior.”

    - Terry Pratchett

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    All flesh is one

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    That's because it is poetry

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    This is exactly why I voted for Trump to dismantle the EPA and FDA.

    If we can’t know anyway there’s no sense in wasting money on trying.

    /s

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    Because you are unaware of 'prose?'

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Prose Poetry is a well established tradition that many are unaware of.

    Greek Scene 

    He dismounted, hitched his horse to the huge mulberry tree, took a leak. 
    The horse was looking at him. He slapped its neck. 
    “We’re young,” he said. 
    The sun was calling out among the osiers. 
    The cicadas were coming on strong. 
    The fig tree’s shadow banged against the stones. 
    A huge red sail was flapping above the plane trees. 
    The horse was twitching its ears, sometimes the one, 
    sometimes the other, while below, 
    two young boatmen were rolling the huge iron barrel along the road.

    Yiannis Ritsos (transl. from Greek)

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    I have similar thoughts when I eat meat.

    Its very hard to trave the supply chains. I drives me to eat, and grow for myself, a vegetarian diet.

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