They should be however much the company made by breaking the rules, with a hefty addition included, inversely multiplied by the chance that the company was going to get caught.

For a company, deciding whether or not to break the law is a purely mathematical equation. If you can make $1M a day by breaking the law, there’s only a 1% chance per day that you’ll get caught, and the fine is only $5M? That’s a no brainer. To the company, they see a project with $1M income per day, a 99% success rate, and a $5M failure cost. All you need to do is go undetected for five days, and you’ve already made your money on the “investment”. Everything after that is pure profit.

So the fines should be adjusted to fit that model. Using those same numbers, the fine would be the $1M per day that the scheme was going (meaning any profit made is now completely forfeit), plus the $5M, multiplied by 99 because they only had a 1% chance of getting caught.

For a scheme that ran for 100 days before getting caught, (meaning they made $100M in profit) that fine would be a grand total of $10.395B… Not million. Billion. Because in order to deter companies from breaking the law, the punishment needs to account for the fact that the company is going to do the math on whether or not they’ll get caught, and what the fine is going to be. And when the company runs the numbers and decides that they have a 1% chance of getting caught, that should be a fucking terrifying number instead of just a slap on the wrist.

I say we start arresting board members until thing stop sucking. Death penalty on the table.

Valuation can be manipulated, it should be gross income.

At this point, there is no justification for privatized control of the means of production.

Especially for AI.

When the purpose of a technology is to remove the ability to work from as many people as possible, there is no valid reason for that technology to in any way benefit individuals without first benefitting those whose jobs it destroys.

The wealthy are literally job destroyers. That is what they actually are.

Tbf we have democratic control in government and the psychopath class does just fine consolidating power.

I'd like that to happen, but that's sadly unlikely. Companies like Google and Microsoft should be global infrastructure under state control - even better would be UN control.

Yeah, these ineffective fines need to stop. perhaps the following would work better:

1st offense: warning, public humiliation, reparations to the wronged. 2nd offense: meaningfully huge fine 3rd offense: even bigger fine and c-level prosecutions. 4th offense: stop work order and c-level prosecutions and personal liability. 5th offense: public tar and feathering.

That’s for sure true, but even America’s middle class has more in common with the global poor than they do with the billionaires. Resistance must be carried out everywhere, even and maybe especially in America.

You're incorrect.

Wealth is not how much passes through your fingers.

It's how much you get to keep.

Slavery is not being denied the ability to earn. It is being denied the ability to save.

Lower-class people in the United States may in fact have quite a bit of money passing through their fingers at any given moment, but the way that financial systems are structured in the United States, those people are not beneficiaries of those funds, but merely vessels from which each and every cent must be extracted. No money is left at the end of the month, after rents, health insurance, transportation, the absurd costs of food, et cetera.

No, on the contrary, these people do NOT fit the criteria for being rich. They lack ownership of everything, and are paid a wage that is intentionally set lower than their actual living expenses. The fact that their wages may be deceptively high is LITERALLY a sign of deception and not in fact a sign that they get to keep any of that money.

The war is ABSOLUTELY between the wealthy and the poor within each country.

It is pretty freakin laughable to claim that the wealthy in the United States and the poor in the United States are on the same side of this conflict. The poor in the United States are the most direct victims of exploitation by the wealthy in the United States(and not to say that the poor in other countries are not also extremely exploited, but the poor in the United States are the ones the wealthy in the United States have direct knowledge of inflicting pain upon).

I like that idea, but I really feel that corporations should face actual permanent consequences (just like a regular person) in order to begin balancing society. Until we put our foot down and bring mega corps to heel they will continue to lie, cheat, steal, and assist in things like genocide.

This isn't a new problem either. IBM provided the computing power and logistics that allowed Germany to carry out the Holocaust in the same way Amazon, Microsoft, Meta, and Google have done so for Israel.

These companies are at war with humanity.