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[–] 283 points 6 months ago (11 children)

Perfect example of policing in America. Their primary mission as a force is to protect themselves at all costs just like any other gang or criminal organization.

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  • [–] 148 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (8 children)

    Fun fact! The police are the largest gang of armed robbers in the country, collectively stealing more money than all other armed robberies and burglaries combined, and it's totally legal for them

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  • [–] 93 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

    Civil asset forfeiture is one of those things where when you hear about it your first reaction is that it must be some fringe conspiracy theory because there's no way the police could get away with something like that, right? But no, it really is that bad and it's done completely in the open. Cops can just steal your shit out of "suspicion" and the process of getting it back is deliberately labyrinthine and difficult.

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  • [–] 40 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    And the father of civil asset forfeiture was DNC centrist darling and father of the Israeli genocide of Palestinians himself, Joe racist-dipshit biden, who belongs in prison along with trump and many other american politicians.

    https://mises.org/mises-wire/joe-biden-father-drug-wars-asset-forfeiture-program

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  • [–] 41 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    That's their secondary mission. Their primary mission is to terrorise the populace into submission.

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  • [–] 38 points 6 months ago

    Well if I may be a bit pedantic, that's merely a consequense of their real primary mission. To safeguard the interest of the capitalist elite. It's really just a coincidence that terrorising the populace into submission achieves that mission.

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  • [–] 105 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    It's always exactly who you expect

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  • [–] 53 points 6 months ago (17 children)
  • [–] 35 points 6 months ago (16 children)

    Without reading, I'll read it after this, but I'm zero percent surprised. Only people I've seen buy ram trucks are ones who do not care about others and want to be seen as big and tuff.

    Hell the vast majority of truck drivers too, sorry not sorry folks but you do not need a truck to drive to your office daily, or to drive the family around, you got it as a status symbol. RAM drivers are just the worst of them all.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    There are many people in my highly liberal and progressive PNW town that drive trucks. The majority seem to be decent people based on my interactions on the road with them as a pedestrian and cyclist.

    I do agree most people don't need trucks, and it's more of a performative masculinity thing, or maybe that's just what they've been conditioned to like.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    We as an American people have been conditioned for decades that we need larger and bigger vehicles when we absolutely don't. This is because smaller cars have stricter regulations thanks to the "light truck" loophole in the CAFE standards. It's literally less regulated, and thus highly profitable to get people to buy trucks instead of cars. The masculine thing, the "It's safer because it's bigger", the "I need space for my family" - it's all generated by marketing teams for car companies to convince each of us that we need a bigger (and less regulated) car.

    When really... we don't. We don't at all, and it choosing a truck whether it's intentional or not, is a selfish move. It's large, it's unnecessary, wasteful, it's proven extremely deadly to pedestrians, bicyclists, and children. Choosing a vehicle like that is inherently accepting that you are risking other people's lives, and that's why I'm so against them.

    Ignorance is excusable, but once informed then it's no longer ignorance.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    Hello fellow PNW person. I am likely one of those people. I try to represent the good side of this example whenever possible.

    Also have a tiny ev that is my daily driver, especially in the city where parking a full size pickup is just not worth it. That said, on the days when my partner needs the car for longer trips and I have to take my truck around for chores, I’m constantly on alert to not be a dick.

    I think this is honestly how a lot of folks are around here. It’s a little different when you head out east but near civilization, I am generally given hope.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Only people I’ve seen buy ram trucks are ones who do not care about others and want to be seen as big and tuff.

    The brodozer phenomenon is real and lamentable.

    At the moment I am getting a reprieve from it. I moved to a small agricultural town* where the pickups are actually work trucks. Hay bales, animal feed bags, and farm dogs in the bed. It makes this grinch's heart grow a little larger.


    *actually just a Census Designated Place

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (10 children)

    Hey, well here's one that bought one with a 2 seat cab, to haul drywall and various construction materials.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Why didn't you buy one with a lower height but the same load capacity? Safer and makes loading stuff easier.

    Us Australians look at weird American raised utes and scratch our heads in puzzlement. You've got a higher driver position, granted, but it's also a higher centre of gravity, it's harder to park in garages and underground car parks, it's harder to see pedestrians, it's harder to load stuff into the tray, etc.

    You clearly aren't just driving it to look pretty, like many people that we both probably get annoyed by. What's the story?

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    The fact that they never brought the Holden Ute over to the US as a new El Camino is frustrating.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I think it's pricing

    I got a friend who bought a RAM last year. he was previously hauling construction equipment in his partner's crossover and his own sedan. a pickup was an appropriate buy

    HOWEVER he got a RAM (thankfully no LED headlights, though they are mounted way too high still), and tbh I'm not really sure what his alternatives were. "small" pickups like the Maverick are too small, and expensive

    also he's like 6'4" 250+lb so he physically needs a bigger cabin lol

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    If you do it about once a week or more, then you do need it. If you need it any less than once a week, congrats it's a status symbol. How do I know? Because the numbers don't lie, and if you only actually haul monthly - or even every 2 weeks, it's actually phenomenally cheaper to rent a truck from either a rental shop or something Home Depot. Trucks are crazy expensive, their fuel already was astronomical before, and now it's even worse. It's much much cheaper to have a modest sedan/van than it is to own a truck.

    Speaking of vans, it's actually more spacious and more carrying capacity to own a decent van than it is to own a truck. Go ahead, test out my knowledge. Vans have more carrying capacity, better fuel mileage, they're closer to the ground so they're easier to load, and they're even covered so you don't need a topper or tool box that takes up even more space.

    So in short, if you haul less than once a week, you should have rented and saved a few dozen thousand dollars. If you haul more frequently than weekly, you probably should have bought a van.

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  • [–] 95 points 6 months ago (15 children)

    Tell me again how traffic cameras make us safer and we can totally trust them to be applied objectively for public safety and no other purpose?

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  • [–] 58 points 6 months ago*

    They aren't for safety...they are totally for revenue.

    With regards to school zones, specifically, if they cared about safety, they would be putting in mechanisms to slow traffic naturally. Raised crosswalks. Rotaries. Narrower lanes. Crossing guards.

    They don't put any of those in.

    A couple towns over from me, they just put a brand new highschool right on the intersection of two major state highways, about 1/4 mile from the interstate. If they cared about the kids, they've put the school in a less busy area to begin with.

    But instead, they demo'd an old pedestrian bridge that was keeping kids off the road for crossing, and set up a speed cam and issuing tickets in the spring before the school even opened.

    And of course the school zone creates a bottleneck for people exiting the highway in rush hour, with ripple effects well down the freeway.

    Fucking assholes.

    But at least Theil gets paid. Most of the money doesn't even go back to the city. What a ducking ripoff.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I'm surprised no one has challenged you on this. (I agree with your point, but people do tend to defend cameras zealously)

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Wait, I’m a zealous camera defender, what am I missing?

    The one they put up temporarily by my kid’s school noticeably calmed traffic near it (myself included—I’m not perfect).

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    I thought of different ways to word a response and then I saw another user put it perfectly already:

    If the goal is to reduce speeding, road design plays more of a factor more than cameras.

    A fine means that it's a revenue grab.

    I would just also add that anecdotally they don't seem to slow many people down in my city. I have gotten at least 5 speed camera tickets since I moved here, and every time I was going the speed of traffic and was unaware a camera even exists there. This city also has a huge problem with horrific driver behavior that goes unaddressed. I've seen some of the craziest shit ever here but I've yet to see anyone pulled over for a reason that didn't appear to be related to a "worse" crime, as in they're searching the person's car and it looks like they're about to go to jail. So I have to believe that the primary concern is making money, and if they work overall (providing the data people always tout) it's a coincidence/accident. Most of that money goes to corporations too so even if you wanted to argue it doesn't matter if money is the main driving force, you have that additional layer of the whole thing being corrupted from the start by capitalism.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Maybe in US...

    From where I am, they are 100% slowing everyone down. In fact, so much that I am getting annoyed by that. Thing is, people will go 60 in 50 zone, then see a camera sign, slow down to fucking 40, roll pass it and then pedal to the metal back to 60.

    Easy optional solution how to make people actually slow down on the camera: make fine indexed. If they earn a ton, they get a huge ass fine. Say 5% of a monthly income. Stacks to 50% if they are a serial rule breaker. That way not many will speedup.

    Kinda works already somewhere.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (9 children)

    Just because they are corrupt cops above the law dosen't mean that speed cameras dosen't work. Hidden cameras that are only there to "catch" speeders are pretty stupid, but cameras with warning about their proximity work very well to slow down drivers before conflict points

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Not every mechanism of society needs to be built around fear of punishment. In fact, i would say that none should be in and ideal society. There are numerous ways to not instill fear in people every second of every day. It even would make a healthier society if people didn't live in perpetual fear of the state.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    A camera says nothing about punishment and everything about social accountability. Some people simply need a reminder or are new to an area as well.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Social accountability is a euphemism for punishment. Someone is engaging in a behavior that is discouraged and so when they do that something is done to them that they don't want to happen. In this case a camera simply automates fining people.

    People who need a reminder or are new to an area especially benefit from better road design or cheaper alternatives (where I live some residential streets have concrete planters that make the road wind and force you to slow down). For a person new to an area especially, the speed camera functionally serves as an expensive toll for driving the speed the road is designed for, but one you receive in the mail a few weeks later.

    Good speed reduction should make speeding look and feel reckless ro everyone, including someone who's never been there before and didn't see the speed limit. Good design is intuitive.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I don't agree that its possible to make everyone feel personally at risk when speeding.

    If people want to be around other people then social accountability is required. Whether you want to call it punishment or not, we have to have ways to signal to each other what we find okay and what we don't. I dont agree with deceptive setups designed to maximize income for a city, so I do agree with most of what you are saying, I just think ultimately punishment needs to be there for some people.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    You can make it so reasonable drivers feel the safe speed to drive is the speed you want them driving.

    Ultimately speed cameras are surveillance for civil infractions, which I disapprove of, and they're popular because they can function as revenue generation.

    I don't disapprove of punishment for those engaging in reckless driving, but I've seen so many places where speed limits and fines are treated as the end all be all of traffic enforcement rather than the final step.

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  • [–] 25 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    If the goal is to reduce speeding, road design plays more of a factor more than cameras.

    A fine means that it's a revenue grab.

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  • [–] -4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    That's correct, but cameras still work and are cheaper/easier to install than rebuilding the streets.

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago

    This is comedically on the nose, absolutely ridiculous. How is reality so heavy-handed in its lessons

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  • [–] 44 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    First line of the article says he is supposed to protect New Yorkers. That is not true. Police have successfully lobbied for decades and have absolutely no mandate to protect anyone but themselves. They loudly and clearly stated that their job specifically exists to enforce the status quo and to bulldoze through anyone in the way. They don't want to help anyone. They don't want to protect anyone. It's in their job description and their training not to.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    It's in their job description and their training not to.

    Chat, is this true?

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Warren v. District of Columbia "is a District of Columbia Court of Appeals case that held that the police do not owe a specific duty to provide police services to specific citizens based on the public duty doctrine." And Castle Rock v. Gonzales, is a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court ruled, 7–2, that a town and its police department could not be sued under 42 U.S.C. § 1983 for refusing to enforce a restraining order, even though the refusal led to the murders of a woman's three children by her estranged husband.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    In most circumstances, police officers do not owe a personal duty to protect specific individuals from harm. The dominant principle comes from the U.S. Supreme Court decision in DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services (1989)

    Also see: Town of Castle Rock v. Gonzales (2005) Warren v. District of Columbia (1981) Linda R.S. v. Richard D. (1973)

    As you can see from reading through the cases mentioned above, the law doesn't require police to protect you or even to enforce the law. Combine this with precedent set by police unions and qualified immunity.

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    truck drivers are synonymous with speeding and drunk driving, and usually driven by meatheads.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    If I was American, I would be a lot more than mildly infuriated about the pedocratic police state that is the US. But I am not American, so mildy infuriated fits perfectly for me I guess.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago

    He’s paid all of them too?! If a cop has a spare $36k to spend on being a reckless driver, he’s being paid way too much.

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  • [–] 38 points 6 months ago (14 children)

    This highlights some pretty lax road traffic law tbh.

    Not being able to suspend a licence because they were caught on a camera is fucking moronic.

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  • [–] 30 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    After over 500 times it seems more appropriate to revoke and never allow reapplication

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Here, after that many proven violations, the car itself would've been impounded.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    This would seem to be the better route. Unless the owner has reported the vehicle stolen, they certainly know who is driving it and should still be responsible for letting the other person drive. Sorry, snitch them out if you don’t like thousands in fines. Deliberately using “you can’t prove it was me” while racking up fines with the expectation of getting away with it has to have some limits.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    The cameras in north america typically aim at the plates and not the driver themselves, so there is plausible deniability for who was driving making the lisence difficult to suspend. That said, there is no good reason they can't suspend the registration or impound the vehicle itself regardless of who was driving.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    Your friend can be driving the vehicle, they know the vehicle sped, but not who was actually driving. So demerits aren’t issued.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (7 children)

    Where I am the owner of the vehicle can either reveal the true identity of the driver or they will cop the demerit points them selves.

    The demerits will always be issued. *there is a loop hole for company vehicles where by the company can pay double the fine, but may also be subject to 5k fine if they don't take reasonable steps to ID the driver.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (6 children)

    That doesn’t sound like a very friendly system, that’s against basic rights. You shouldn’t be faulted for someone else’s actions.

    It’s up to you to get the money from your friend, that’s risky enough to let them drive. If you’re gonna be responsible anyways, there’s literally no point in letting someone else drive your vehicle.

    That’s not a system we should be promoting.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (5 children)

    Your vehicle = your responsibility.

    I don't see the issue.

    People still game the system to some extent, by making an agreement with mates to take demerits for them.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (4 children)

    Yes, hence why the fine goes against the vehicle. You didn’t commit a moving violation, so to be giving demerits for something you didn’t do is a slap to your rights lol.

    And your bottom comment is exactly why the system shouldn’t exist…

    What country is this anyway? I’m gonna avoid going there.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

    If the penalty is only monetary, then for the wealthy they just become minor inconveniences.

    I would prefer not to be the victim of vehicular murder when I am walking across an intersection because some rich arsehole is late for the polo and a several thousand dollar fine is meaningless to them.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    You JUST said they can pay someone to take their demerits dude… the system doesn’t work, it provides the loophole for that guy to continue doing it regardless.

    Now the government is complicit. And you would be locking up and taking rights away from innocent people too. Great system.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    How is the government complicit?

    No system is perfect.

    As far as I'm aware there isn't a massive problem with people having others take demerits for them. It's more like the occasional thing someone might do to help a friend who is on their limit.

    12 demerits and you lose your licence. No one can be consistently taking other's money on exchange for demerits. You would lose your licence very fast.

    Anyway, it's only for automatic cameras. (Like speeding and red lights etc)

    No faking who you are if caught by a traffic cop.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    As far as I'm aware there isn't a massive problem with people having others take demerits for them. It's more like the occasional thing someone might do to help a friend who is on their limit.

    I’d take 25k to take 3 demerits (I’m sure you can find a couple dozen patsies to rotate as needed easily) that are gone after a few years, there’s gonna be plenty of people willing to do it, there’s also courses to take that reduce demerits too. You’re admitting it’s possible, it happens, but refusing to acknowledge that it can be problem. You say you’re worried about people just paying fines, your system is no better and objectively worse, but you’re eating the bullshit dude.

    Your government is complicit, because they made rules allowing this to happen… and they profit lol. There’s a reason why your country is probably the only one like this. What country has these crappy rules?

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago

    "Rules for thee but not for me"

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  • [–] 23 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    Wait, hold up. In the picture, is that the actual size of that truck? Or has the size been exaggerated?

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  • [–] 43 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    I live in a small town so I'm sorry to say, that is exactly how big pickup trucks are now. What isn't clear from the angle of that photo is the bed is most likely less than 6 feet long, meaning it can fit less in the bed than a minivan with only rearmost row folded down.

    The best part is, in rural America there's folks who look at that stock truck, say it isn't big enough and get a lift kit and extra large tires installed so it rides 2 feet off the ground and the wheels extend multiple inches past the fenders (sometimes they're further out than the mirrors even) and the illegality of such mods on public roads goes entirely unenforced. Oh and those are the folks who don't also make their trucks roll coal

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Oh god, the rolling of coal. So help me these fuckers literally give people cancer and think it is funny.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I bet the coal rollers are loving the modifications to use a crapload more fuel at the moment lmao

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago*

    The modified truck drivers (nobody rolls coal locally to me anymore but plenty keep putting in lift kits and even more oversized tires than stock) always start moaning when gas prices go over $4/gallon, in part because they can no longer fully fill their tank in one transaction at many gas station (most stop after $100) and that's also the point where the dealerships start advertising their vehicles with better fuel economy rather than the oversized gas guzzling trucks and SUVs

    $4/gallon is really the magical point where change starts to happen, and most of America is not far from that right now. I'm hopeful that it does get up to $5 or so for a while because that might cause some meaningful change for the better

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    What's weird is is that truck isn't tall enough for how big it is if you want to do practical work and haul shit. It would bottom out if you put a real load in it. These things are so weird to me. This thing is a glorified grocery hauler.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    I think the lens or camera angle is wonky because in addition to the entire image looking flattened, it does looks slightly lower than I'd expect, but I don't know how much of that is that I see so many trucks with lift kits installed on a daily basis, if thats because the camera is mounted higher than I'd be seated in my car or on my bike, of if it's just it looks off in a photo but it's actually bog standard

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago

    surprisedpikachuface.jpg

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    547 times? including red lights and school zones?

    shoot 'em and be done with it. no place for this person in society, and there's nowhere on earth that deserves having them dropped there

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    since nobody else seems up to the task, why don't you go over there and do it?

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Hopefully one day a fully loaded semi truck explains to him the error of his ways.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    I don't wish that on the semi driver. They don't get paid enough to have therapy for the kind of trauma you get from turning another person into paste. And also probably losing their CDL over it.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago

    And if he causes an accident, his victim goes down for it. That's NY.

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