Texas can require the Ten Commandments to be displayed in public school classrooms, a U.S. appeals court ruled Tuesday in a victory for conservatives who have long sought to incorporate more religion into schools.

The ruling sets up a potential clash at the U.S. Supreme Court over the issue in the future. Arkansas and Louisiana have passed similar laws, which have also been challenged in courts.

And Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey signed a similar law earlier this moth.

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[–] 55 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

The judges justification was that displaying the 100% religious material does not force students to read or affirm the religious content. So, I'm looking forward to the Satanic Temple's suit to allow them to display their own tenets now that school walls are an open forum for religious materials that are legally not pushing their religiousity on students. They're a hell of a lot better a set of tenets anyway.

The tenets: https://thesatanictemple.com/blogs/the-satanic-temple-tenets/there-are-seven-fundamental-tenets?srsltid=AfmBOorp3jTMgXS23ZsM-AJANSPyJFplv4WLlu4DgfJuuh4RNBOPVpoB

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  • [+] 84 points 6 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 77 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (34 children)

    Notably, the law does NOT say that you cannot display the Five Yamas, the Four Noble Truths, the Ten Precepts of Taoism, Five Pillars of Islam, etc., alongside them. That's what I'd be doing, were I a teacher.

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  • [–] 60 points 6 months ago* (26 children)
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    These are the ones I'd want to post. But, honestly, I'm scared. In any other state, or in the private sector, I'm woefully unqualified, and can't afford to lose my job. Most likely, I'd eventually be vindicated in the courts, but I'd be fired and destitute well before that.

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  • [+] -37 points 6 months ago* (23 children)

    Might be going a bit too far. The point is educate kids that Christianity is not the only religion. Putting that up might delegitimize the argument.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (18 children)

    Did you read them? They seem less problematic than the ten commandments to me.

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  • [+] -29 points 6 months ago* (17 children)

    No, because what they say is not relevant.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    If they would be written in a poster on a wall it would matter. At least to anyone who actually sees them.

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  • [+] -20 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    It wouldn't matter to the people that matter. The people creating this legislation in the first place.

    You are too concerned with being right and not concerned enough about protecting children from indoctrination.

    They can't denigrate text from Taoism and claim it's not suppression of religious freedom, but they can totally point at text from a meme religion as proof that your argument is not serious.

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    The Satanic Temple is a non-religious civil rights organization, and this has been their primary tactic for years because it works. When you point out to John Q. Public that allowing the 10 Commandments into classrooms will also open the doors to the 7 Tenets of Satanism, it either causes a reversal of course or bulldozes a path for wider religious acceptance.

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  • [+] -16 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    The Satanic Temple is a non-religious civil rights organization

    Yes, that's the problem I pointed out in the previous comment.

    it either causes a reversal of course or bulldozes a path for wider religious acceptance.

    No, it causes people to dismiss your concerns that arose from a satirical and insincere religion.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Why does it cause people to dismiss our concerns when it is not "satirical nor insincere"?

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  • [+] -6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Try and read what I said again.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    You don't actually understand a word you're talking about, and it's extremely obvious to everyone but yourself

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    Would you care to explain what I'm wrong about or did you just come here to be offended and lob personal insults in return?

    E: thanks for the downvote, personal insults it is, I guess.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    Maybe try reading them first.

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  • [+] -11 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    I think you may have missed the part where I said what they say is not relevant. It was 90% of the message you just replied to.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago* (6 children)

    It's almost like you are afraid, it's weird.

    I don't consider myself a Satanist, but their seven tenets are nearly impossible to argue against.

    Here let me do you a favor and just paste them here for you:

    I

    One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.

    II

    The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.

    III

    One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.

    IV

    The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.

    V

    Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.

    VI

    People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.

    VII

    Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

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  • [–] -4 points 6 months ago* (5 children)

    Its almost like you don't understand the point I'm making at all, it's weird. No one is arguing against the tenets, I'm arguing against a satirical religion.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (3 children)
  • [+] -22 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Why? Really? It's a fake religion. Not like most fake religions but like even they don't even believe in it.

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  • [–] 35 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Maybe this will make children question the morality of right wing politicians more.

    Why has Trump broken all 10 commandments, for instance.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    A daily morning pledge to a flag definitely turned me against the State as a propaganda bullshit machine.

    ...But I'm afraid most people just got brainwashed and thought I was weird for abstaining.

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  • [–] 34 points 6 months ago (12 children)

    It's been a busy week for the 5th Circuit, also affirming the Earth is flat, guns are people, and New Coke was actually quite tasty.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    If guns are people, and we're allowed to own guns...

    Slavery is legal again folks!

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    Slavery was never made illegal in the US

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

    Bolded it for you. If convicted of a crime you too can be a slave.

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  • [+] -7 points 6 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah, nah, laws banning slavery shouldn't have an asterisk and the US is pretty fucked up for that

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    ALSO...As of 2022, several states, including Alabama, Tennessee, and Oregon, passed measures to update their state constitutions to remove language allowing slavery as a punishment for a crime, while Louisiana did not. 

    Bur ya know who cares about progress

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  • [–] 34 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    How in the fuck can any court find this shit constitutional without being biased as fuck and doing some goddamned fucking olympic level mental gymnastics?

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  • [–] 26 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    So long as there are alternatives.

    For instance, the Satanic Temple's 7 tenents are:

    I One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.

    II The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.

    III One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.

    IV The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.

    V Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.

    VI People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.

    VII Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

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  • [–] 24 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Is there a lot of child abuse in Texas?

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  • [–] 39 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Someone light the beacon for The Satanic Temple.

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  • [–] 21 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    The law specifies that this is ONLY for the Ten Commandments. Blatant disregard for separation aside, there's not much other faiths can do to balance the scales unless their document also happens to be called the Ten Commandments

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Seems like they should make a document called Ten Commandments then lol

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I get what youre saying but we both know they don't care about being hypocrites

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Christians are tagging up our schools with grafitti

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago

    This is a ruling from the 5th Circuit Court. From Wikipedia:

    During his first administration, President Donald Trump appointed six judges to the court, with many observers thereafter regarding it as the most conservative court of appeals.[4][5][6] The Fifth Circuit's reversal rate at the US Supreme Court from the beginning of the 2020 term through the end of the 2022 term was 74%, making it the 7th most frequently reversed circuit court; the average rate of reversals was 68%.[7][8] Some members of the Supreme Court, including Chief Justice John Roberts, have indicated concern with how the Fifth Circuit approaches cases.[9][10][11] Several court observers have interpreted the court as being exceptionally conservative in its rulings.[12]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Court_of_Appeals_for_the_Fifth_Circuit#2020s

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago

    This is the time for every teacher to just casually mention to NOT google George Carlin's take on "the ten commandments"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTb6YGciI2g

    ... Let's start with the first three: I AM THE LORD THY GOD THOU SHALT NOT HAVE STRANGE GODS BEFORE ME THOU SHALT NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD THY GOD IN VAIN THOU SHALT KEEP HOLY THE SABBATH Right off the bat the first three are pure bullshit. Sabbath day? Lord's name? strange gods? Spooky language! Designed to scare and control primitive people. In no way does superstitious nonsense like this apply to the lives of intelligent civilized humans in the 21st century. ...

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago*

    I honestly think it's delightful.

    Just wait until those commandments are upon the walls of the US History classes and when the teachers get invariably, to the Civil War and teach - as Texas does - that the war was over states rights.. and they read the Article of Secession that Texas wrote, the students can call that bullshit out, using the 8th commandment against "bearing false witness". (no lying)

    The issue is that the real Article of Secession that Texas wrote - not the whitewashed version they teach in their schools (that, BTW. mentions States rights ZERO times) - is hella nastier about black people, than they're comfortable to admit. (page 5, paragraph that starts: "We hold, as undeiniable truths..")

    I think once that one hits the classrooma, a few of the more sharp kids are going to have a field day with it.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Why should kids follow the ten commandments when very few of our leaders do?

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    Time for the kids to put their art skills to work and mark them up!

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago*

    I’d print it, but make it very tiny font and a small little square and place it on a cork board. It would suck if it got covered up by an anchor chart, but at least it’s displayed!

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    I guess we're going to have to invade and liberate Texas...again.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    Surely this will be appealed again.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    I haven't read the ruling, but heard that they're allowing it to go forward because there's no penalty for refusing. Not sure about that. Need to read up on it. I have a lot of coworkers who will not be participating.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    America, you wanted a Christian Nation. Wait until it happens. You'll be paying premium streaming prices for entertainment, and getting rewritten 1950s tripe.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Put a picture of the President beside:

    You shalt not kill

    You shalt not commit adultery

    You shalt not steal

    You shalt not covet your neighbors child

    You shalt not shart.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    I'm okay with the ten commandments being displayed.......provided the rules of other religions are displayed right next to them

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    See you in the Supreme Court..

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