IMDB season-by-season ratings for the Simpsons / (chart goes from good to bad as the years go by) / Frankie K says: "That chart is garbage. There are many great episodes every season. Guess it is just cool to criticise the Simpsons. Just as it was cool to be vaxxed and boosted."

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[–] 110 points 6 months ago (20 children)

just checked out of curiosity, s6e3 is a clip show, and s9e11 is a musical clip show

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  • [–] 31 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I just (re)watched S9 E11 ("All Singing, All Dancing") last night, and it's fine but if I wasn't watching during dinner I'd have skipped the episode.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago

    I know it's a clip episode, but it's probably my favorite clip episode. Snake's horrible singing, specifically the "Ooo ooo ooo" before the act break always sticks with me. The "Ough oouu uuuah".

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago (15 children)

    The idea of doing a clip show only 6 seasons in is diabolical.

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  • [–] 43 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    In the '70s/'80s, one clip show per season was pretty common.

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  • [–] 30 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, and nobody liked it. It was just there to save the show some money.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    That's why we all love Community. In "Paradigms of Human Memory" (Season 2, Episode 21) it was super expensive because all the clips were new. It was a great episode in general too.

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  • [–] 100 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    It shows the trend but the colors make this look far more severe than the scores reflect

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah they should have had black as 5.x, grey as 6.x, white as 7.x, green as 8.x, and gold as 9.x

    Or just use the Blizzard/rpg rarity colors for user defined groupings so that people can make their own thresholds for how to opine for whatever ratings.

    For example, I typically think of each number as three categories: low-7s, mid 7s, and high 7s. A low 7 is watchable and decent, a mid 7 may be pretty good but not have a ton of truly moving content or messaging, and high 7s are like the last rating of ultimate popcorn - fantastic, but relatively intellectually empty. And as soon as you hit 8.0, to get there, it has to start having some levels of boundary-pushing of my expectations AND be very good.

    So I would relate all of the 7s as like a Diablo green item rarity, maybe with high 7s being blues. High 8s maybe starts to get into yellows, and 9s are legendaries with mid and high 9s being reds or like Diablo ancients. Very low 7s and high 6s would definitely be whites, with mid and low 6s being greys. And anything under there... Probably also greys? Maybe have a gradient where the lower the rating, the more transparent it gets. 1.0 or 0.0 (whatever the lowest is) would have to still be visible, though.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago*

    Automatically coloring cells is one of the things Excel excels at. Green for the upper bound (either a static number or ~90th percentile), yellow for 50th percentile, red for lower bound (static number or 10th percentile etc.). Automatically gradients everything in between. Want it more green? Lower the upper bound. Want it more red? Raise the lower bound.

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    [–] 54 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    Everyone:
    Anti-vaxxers: "You're just getting vaccines to be trendy, not to protect your family and others!"

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  • [–] 37 points 6 months ago

    Every episode of modern Simpsons:

    "[First name] [Last name]! [Pronoun]'s the best [occupation] in all of [country]."

    • Lisa Simpson, directly to the audience.

    "That's right, Lisa. I'm here to [ad for a song/book/movie/space-nazi]."

    • [First name] [Last name].
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  • [–] 74 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    2026 and they're still frothing at the mouth over masks and vaccinations.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I have those in my family.

    Those who got vaccinated will be dying any day now. /s

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  • [–] 28 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    Was there a major staff change for season 9? That's when it appears to have markedly declined.

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  • [–] 49 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah, the show was never the same after Bill Oakley and Josh Weinstein left to make Mission Hill in the late 90s. Additionally, Futurama became a primary though to people like Groening so Simpsons suffered stagnation majorly.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I've literally never heard of mission hill. Sounds like they should have stayed on The Simpsons

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago*

    Can't blame them for wanting to make their own thing, and they did a pretty good job (even if the TV stations kind of fucked them over by putting them on some bad timeslots.) Overall, I'm glad the show exists.

    Art director for Mission Hill went on to work as a director for Disney (also one of the first women to work as a sole-director at Disney, coincidentally) and Bill Oakley / Josh Weinstein continued to work as writers, so I think it worked out for most parties involved in the production.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    Mission Hill is good, but had a very short run. I didn't know it when it first aired, but watched it when it was part of Cartoon Network's "Adult Swim" block. It's about a naive dork teenager, Kevin, moving in with his lazy older brother Andy, in the city. The art style is unique, vividly colored and eye-catching. Two of the characters are an elderly gay couple, treated like normal people (which wasn't common at the time the show was made.) And of course, being written by Bill Oakley and Josh Weinstein, it's pretty funny.

    I'd say it's worth a watch. It's only 13 episodes long, so it's easy to binge.

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  • [–] 21 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    Coincidentally, that happened to be around when the last year of Gen X graduated high school, 1997-98-ish. The internet actually started to become more of “a thing” (edit: as well as computer ownership and literacy, generally), and cell phones started to become smaller and cheaper and more ubiquitous.

    Cable television had also become much more widespread and popular. Edit: so did video game consoles.

    It might be connected to a cultural shift.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    It might be connected to a cultural shift.

    If that's related, it's because the writers decided to address the cultural shift by making their jokes increasingly hokey and forced. The shift is there in the content.This isn't just a change in audience perception.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    I was suggesting that it was not just a change in content, but of audience, too. The kids who grew up watching The Simpsons were now off to college, and our tastes had changed. We had better things to do than sit in front of the TV on Sunday nights to catch the latest episode.

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  • [–] 21 points 6 months ago*

    Seasons 3-8 are generally considered "golden age" simpsons. Theres a lull for a few seasons where it gets very patchy, then it kinda enters a long silver age where episodes are fairly consistently good, with few poor ones and even fewer universally agreed upon greats.

    Many fans completely ignore 9+. Others argue where sliver age begins.

    The ratings only show the golden age and then slowly declining popularity, because popularity is only ever a loose proxy for quality.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago

    Can't tell if they're mouthbreathing because they're dumb, or because of COVID.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago

    Aren't we up to season 37 now? Old chart?

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  • [–] 38 points 6 months ago (12 children)

    Season 23 episode 22: Rating 3.9: Lisa Goes Gaga: Lisa helps Lady Gaga and learns the importance of being yourself.

    Season 30 episode 18: Rating 4.6: Bart vs. Itchy and Scratchy: Krusty releases an all-female reboot of Itchy and Scratchy

    We can guess at why those two got the lowest ratings of the entire series.

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    I could guess, but why don't you just go ahead and say it? I'm not sure what you're implying, it could be anything.

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  • [–] 23 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    I'd say the Gaga was for pandering to fans of a celebrity to get them to watch. Making a Gaga centric episode at the height of Gaga's popularity is pandering. As compared to having a few lines by George Harrison or Paul McCartney which were at their height of popularity 20 years earlier. When contemporary celebrities were used like Smashing Pumpkins is was as a cameo, not the focus of the entire episode.

    The all woman Itchy Scratchy episode would be panned because it's punching down on the feminist movie remakes.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago* (4 children)

    it's punching down on the feminist movie remakes.

    Is that feminist? Giving women a recycled story with a history and a ton of baggage instead of a universe thats really theirs? You're setting them up to never be their own thing, always compared to the original.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    See, ladies? We made movies for you but no one liked them...obviously because of misogyny, not because they were obvious and soulless cash grabs.

    It's corporate feminism.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    That's the other thing. Take a beloved franchise, with expectations through the roof. Hire the laziest writers you can find, making sure none of them understand what people connected with in the source material. Market it as "look, the movie you loved, but with vaginas now!"

    I'm convinced ghostbusters 2016 was created solely to give ammo to chuds.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    I'm too familiar with internet anonymity to truly believe this but I wouldn't be surprised if the ghostbusters backlash was started by the studio.

    There's no way they didn't know it was bad...but they already paid for it and would get shit for canning it. So they made it seem like the release was sabotaged by the patriarchy.

    Corporations are ALL about dividing and conquering.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    You don't hire the writers because they're lazy, you hire them because they're cheap and you want to minimise production costs because there are women in the film so you're not expecting to sell any tickets except to people who've fallen for the social media marketing campaign you ran that said anyone who doesn't watch the film is a misogynist. It's just classic race-to-the-bottom profit seeking.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    They're not as good as the old ones by a lot, admittedly they're frequently pretty bad but I still kind of feel like the treehouse of horror episodes tend to have at least one passable story and are usually the highlight of the season.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    S6e3 was a clip show, s9e11 was a musical clip show.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago

    Funny how it looks like every season they continue the fire gets worse

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago

    Years ago I marathoned seasons 1 through 13 while enduring benzo withdrawals. I can absolutely confirm that these ratings are accurate.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    The Simpson stopped making stories about the family and started making episodes where every week was a new celebrity coming to Springfield. Then they did some odd reboot thing where now they’re just retelling stories with a modern look? It’s so weird. The show should have ended with the movie IMO

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    [–] 7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Are they audience ratings? If so the episode quality is probably even lower towards the end as some audiences will have dropped out so you're only including the data of folk who stuck with it.

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago

    As someone who grew up with the Simpsons and also pretty recently watched the first 29 seasons again, the first 9 seasons we definitely the best seasons. They're timeless. The show became too afraid to be offensive.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I'm so old I was an adult when I saw the very first shorts on Tracy Ullman.

    I was shocked when they hit 20 years. Now, I'm just baffled. Why are people still watching? I can only guess, habit?

    The last thing I watched was part of the first movie. Since I had, coincidently, just read Under the Dome (which King claims was not born from the movie), I didn't even finish the movie.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    This is consistent with my idea (which I've long had) that there was yet another quality drop around the time they switched to HD. The episodes from the 2000s are mostly still perfectly watchable IMHO, the ones from the 2010s much less so and I don't think I've ever watched a Simpsons episode from the 2020s, so can't say anything about that.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    Last year a started watching from the beginning and watched until I found that I pretty consistently did not enjoy the episodes. I agree with your assessment. The last episode that I watched was from '13 or '14.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    Nice self-own, Frankie.

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