“But I think one of the issues here is that if you’re going to opine on matters of theology, you’ve got to be careful. You’ve got to make sure it’s anchored in the truth, and that’s one of the things that I try to do, and it’s certainly something I would expect from the clergy, whether they’re Catholic or Protestant,” he added.

The pope and Donald Trump have exchanged barbs over the past several days, with the pope denouncing the war in Iran and Trump responding by saying Leo was “WEAK on crime” and “terrible for Foreign Policy.”

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[–] 155 points 7 months ago (8 children)

To a fucking POPE of all people... Jesus Dumbass Vance, go back to fucking sofas.

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  • [–] 46 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    What's even crazier is people being surprised...

    Like, people honestly think conservatives are actually religious and they use religion to dictate their politics and not the other way around.

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  • [+] -7 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Do you know any conservatives outside of memes. Of course you do, they just don't want to deal with your hysteria.

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  • [+] -10 points 7 months ago* (3 children)
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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    My growing view is that too many American Catholics have failed to show proper deference to the papacy, treating the pope as a political figure to be criticized or praised according to their whims.

    Huh, maybe JD should listen to this guy

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    [–] 105 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Quite a Protestant think to say, for a supposed Catholic.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Mammon are these people's religion. Or Ba'al, depending on perspective.

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  • [–] 75 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Excuse me, but did Juliette Dianne Vance just challenge the Pope on theology?

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  • [–] 55 points 7 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES

    THIS IS MY LAST RESORT

    Maybe we need a youtube documentary from somebody exploring the emo to fascist pipeline...

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  • [–] 66 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (7 children)

    They're really going with 'lets pick a moral fight with the Pope'.

    ... I actually have trouble comprehending this, because it is so obviously a politically stupid thing to do.

    JD is apparently considerably more lost in the sauce than I thought, has od'd on his own fart sniffing.

    It really is wild how immesenly hubristic this all is, but it does serve as a very useful illustration to the rest of the world to drive home the idea that American Christians (TM) quite literally think they speak with the authority of God himself, which is broadly regarded as insane heresy by most other Christians in most of the world.

    They're idiot fascists to the core, and its like 30% of the country that is this way.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    "they're very low IQ." "Stupid" "losers" all of these weak insults, and they never, ever give examples of such. "How so are they losers?" "What makes you say they're stupid?" There's never any push back. These are the things a bully says because they're insecure and don't know why. There's no evidence or thought given to these insults.

    How is the Pope weak on crime? Show me when the Pope said Iran should have nukes. This is the most basic push back. The media just lets him say whatever without questioning it.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago*

    Fascists don't use language the way normal people do.

    They don't believe in 'truth' or 'reality' as most people understand it.

    They believe that things just are the way they say they are, because they said so.

    They primarily use rhetoric, and pathos.

    Logos, logic, actually being correct or truthful... they only employ these things to the extent that they can aid either a rhetorical or emotional appeal.

    Their entire strategy is 'create a collective delusion / cult that appeals to the weak and gullible'.

    Trying to evaluate the things they say, logically, is generally a waste of time.

    The proper way to converse with a fascist is by breaking their jaw with a baseball bat, to disarm them of their weaponized nonsense projection machines.

    Fascists believe language is a weapon, not a means of having a discussion.

    Their real language is violence, so you must commincate with them in their native tongue, to succesfully convey any 'meaning' to them.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago* (4 children)

    If you can read this you are a pope. Specticals, testicles, wallet, and watch. Ramen.

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  • [–] 63 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (18 children)

    If a core Catholic belief is the pope is infallible, especially in the domain of theology & religion, then why is Vance saying any of this? Sure seems like his “Catholicism” is name alone or perhaps his faith is more Protestant than he wants to admit. Or, he has values above his faith, and for a Catholic, that seems worse.

    Whatever, Jan.

    Edit: I’m ex-Catholic. I don’t need a theology lesson about the specifics. What the Pope is expressing here is within the domain of church doctrine.

    Stop trying to defend fascists with pedantic details.

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    Not justifying mr couch fucker, but I will point out: modern Catholic doctrine does not actually say the Pope is infallible. Rather, it is that he is infallible when speaking "ex cathedra", literally "from the chair", which is also like... weird with different peoples' opinions on what is ex cathedra. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    modern Catholic doctrine does not actually say the Pope is infallible. Rather, it is that he is infallible

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah, pretty much. What, you expected consistency from the religious sect that has consistently had issues with child sexual abuse?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I hate to break it to you about other religions, too…

    Obviously the Catholic Church has a systemic problem, and given that it’s one of the largest religions on earth (and their molester shuffling), it’s more universal than in a lot of religions, and I’m not defending them. They’re only unique in scale though.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Which other religions are you referring to? Naturally you would identify them by name.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    If you’d like. Mormons, different kinds of Protestant, Jehovas Witnesses, Amish, Hasidic Jews, Muslims, and so many cults off the top of my head (not the links, obviously, but I just wrote out all of the religions associated with pedophilia I remembered from the past few years and went looking for stories). I suspect if I lived around more other religions, I’d be able to remember different ones and you can probably find cases for most religions (I just went looking for an exception, but even Unitarians are not immune).

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    If a core Catholic belief is the pope is infallible

    It isn't. That's only when the Pope is speaking "ex cathedra" meaning "from the chair" which Pius IX defined as

    when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, [the Bishop of Rome] defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    My point. He is infallible, specifically in this matter.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    And my point is that you're wrong.

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  • [–] 32 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    The pope needs to excommunicate JD

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  • [–] 27 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    But I think one of the issues here is that if you’re going to opine on matters of theology, you’ve got to be careful. You’ve got to make sure it’s anchored in the truth

    Oh dear, somebody has a lot of catching up to do. Start with Council of Nicea and go from there.

    FUN FACT: Council of Nicea was formed to settle the age old debate of "should priests cut off their balls or not? On the one hand, Jesus said to do so... on the other hand, my balls."

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I think time and experience has proved Jesus right - priests should definitely cut off their bollocks.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. ~Matthew 19:12

    Not just priests! He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. Castrati and eunochs only recently fell out of favor in the past century

    Christians are surprisingly ignorant of their own history, it's kinda funny

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Wow, there really is a passage for everything! New Testament too. Sounds like Christians should be getting busy with the pruning shears. Jesus actually recommends this as a cure for horniness. TBF I guess it would be an effective one.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    The other part was to make it a patriarchal church instead of a matriarchal one. The Virgin Mary used to be the holy figure of Christianity, but men didn't like that.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago*

    Correction, used to be one of the holy figureS, there were other sects with their own favorites (like John the Baptist and many others).

    They also tossed a lot of "in between" and after testimonies (Gospel of Thomas et al I think) and more.

    BUT, the pressing issue was balls.

    Coincidentally, the word "testimony" is derived from the old custom that referred to swearing an oath on your balls (testicles).

    Lots of balls. balls balls balls

    That obsession survives to this day

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  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Think of all the leaders who told the Pope to fuck off in history. Nothing but great successes. Surely we're winning.

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  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    JD bout to start MAGA Catholicism and install himself as the pope.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Nah, Vance is going to jump over to evangelicalism. It's more expedient; the white supremacists have always been anti-Catholicism and this will only serve his larger purposes. Also, evangelicals are more lenient on divorce (unless Erica has already moved on since she dropped out of that recent TPUSA event that drew like eleven people the other day)

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    "You shall know them by their fruits." - Jesus Christ

    Neither Trump nor Vance are Christians.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    How convenient for Christianity 🙄

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Even the Apostles got it twisted while Jesus was alive. Luke 9:51-56 is relevant here.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago*

    Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. ~Luke 10:19

    Also, Jesus said you are immune to venom under His magical super powers, and this is why there are churches with snake handlers to this very day.

    It's pretty funny, when the rattlers bite them they try to heal it with prayer before running to the ER.

    They don't use King Cobras for some reason

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Did you know God's favorite son (David) murdered two hundred men so that he could remove their foreskins? He used them to purchase a bride (her price was 100 foreskins, but David doubled that because, well, you know, he just really likes murdering men and cutting off their foreskins).

    What kind of fruit is that? I dunno. maybe some kind of fruit roll-up

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    David wasn't God's Son nor was he a Christian, but you knew that already.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    David WAS God's favorite, and we are all the children of God, according to God.

    Are you calling God a liar? You'll burn for that!

    Why does him not being Christian matter? What an odd thing to say!

    He's God's favorite (according to God). God's favorite was a Jew, and the Son of God was also a Jew (and a rabbi, for that matter... note the capitalization of "Son" to elevate Jesus above any other sons of God, like David, the apple of God's eye).

    This goes without saying, so you don't need to mention it any further.

    At least Jews have an excuse, God appeared before them many times. Did God show Himself to any Christians? Not once! Christians are God's rejects, it seems (He didn't say that, this is my opinion, since God never appeared to Christians they can't be that important).

    Unless you believe in the Book of Mormon, of course. Which is another can of worms. Worms that dyeth not, so to speak.

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    JD’s political career is over after this regime

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    What funny to watch (I mean, gallows humor funny) is that as Trump gets weaker, the various temptations for Crown Prince Couchfucker to coup him just grow exponentially.

    I like to imagine Trump and Vance sitting across from each other, silently weighing each other up, Trump telling himself shit like "JD owes me everything, he wouldn't," and Vance just looking back across at Trump like Trump's a couch.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    He's banking on being POTUS for the back half of Trump's term. Trump could keel over any day, but if he's still alive by New Year's we'll almost certainly see Vance try to remove him with the 25th. Once he's in power, he just needs to be less batshit than Trump for two years and he'll be in a good position to win an election.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago*

    My take on this is that the Night of the Long Knives has clearly started in Trump's inner circle and Vance (sent to no-win scenarios in Hungary and Pakistan while Trump and Rubio were bro-bonding without him) is starting to feel on thin ice.

    So he's trying to demonstrate how far backwards he can bend over to justify anything Trump decides to crap on Truth Social.

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  • [–] 22 points 7 months ago

    JD Vance lying about his truthfulness and integrity, both of which are non-existent.

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    Satire is dead

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago

    Every member of this administration, past, present, and future, need to be held accountable when this is over. If we don't do that, then the Constitution, our laws, will continue to erode when the next batch of grifters show up to push the envelope to see how far they can bend and break the rules.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Was God on the side of the Americans who liberated France from the Nazis? Was God on the side of the Americans who liberated Holocaust camps and liberated those, those innocent people, you know, those who had survived the Holocaust?

    What a silly question. It's silly because it's based on the idea that God is a being who would pick sides in the first place. It is generally commonly thought by believers that we are all God's children. When your children get in a fight do you pick sides and cheer for one of them to kick the other's ass? I would hope not. I would hope that, as a parent, you would step in and try and stop the fight.

    Assuming there is a God, I would hope he/she/it would just be terribly disappointed in all the children involved for not finding a way to settle their differences peacefully.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago*

    It’s silly because it’s based on the idea that God is a being who would pick sides in the first place.

    If you read the Bible, you'll find that God picked sides immediately, and has never stopped. He even has a "Chosen People", you can't possibly pick sides any further.

    We may all be God's children, but remember, God is perfectly fine with murdering billions of His children, and not only that, He tortures them with Hell forever after. He can't even let them die in peace.

    Yes, it is certainly silly, which makes it all the more horrifying

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Are they trying to make an American Orthodox Church or something like that?

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    The Pentagon already threatened it mafia-style.

    “In January, behind closed doors at the Pentagon, Under Secretary of War for Policy Elbridge Colby summoned Cardinal Christophe Pierre — Pope Leo XIV’s then-ambassador to the United States — and delivered a lecture,” said Hale.

    “America has the military power to do whatever it wants in the world,” Colby and his associates informed the cardinal. “The Catholic Church had better take its side.”

    As the room temperature grew, Hale said he confirmed that one U.S. official “reached for a fourteenth-century weapon and invoked the Avignon Papacy, the period when the French Crown used military force to bend the bishop of Rome to its will.”

    During the period in question, there were two Popes. One in the Vatican, and one in Avignon. I'm fairly certain that if the Vatican doesn't bend to Trump's will, there will soon be a Church of America with it's own Pope.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    imagine one of these perpetual liars saying the pope is a liar.

    I know it's a long shot but I desperately hope some of them live to regret this behavior.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Is this Onion? Why shouldn’t pope talk about theology? I thought it is like his area of expertise?

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    [–] 6 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I wasn't aware the Pope was a law enforcement official, or a foreign policy official. Gosh, where would we be without these little gems Trump keeps dropping?

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    i keep imagining CK3...

    Pope Leo's Opinion of you -100

    Call the holy league against USA

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