“But I think one of the issues here is that if you’re going to opine on matters of theology, you’ve got to be careful. You’ve got to make sure it’s anchored in the truth, and that’s one of the things that I try to do, and it’s certainly something I would expect from the clergy, whether they’re Catholic or Protestant,” he added.

The pope and Donald Trump have exchanged barbs over the past several days, with the pope denouncing the war in Iran and Trump responding by saying Leo was “WEAK on crime” and “terrible for Foreign Policy.”

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[–] 63 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (18 children)

If a core Catholic belief is the pope is infallible, especially in the domain of theology & religion, then why is Vance saying any of this? Sure seems like his “Catholicism” is name alone or perhaps his faith is more Protestant than he wants to admit. Or, he has values above his faith, and for a Catholic, that seems worse.

Whatever, Jan.

Edit: I’m ex-Catholic. I don’t need a theology lesson about the specifics. What the Pope is expressing here is within the domain of church doctrine.

Stop trying to defend fascists with pedantic details.

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    Not justifying mr couch fucker, but I will point out: modern Catholic doctrine does not actually say the Pope is infallible. Rather, it is that he is infallible when speaking "ex cathedra", literally "from the chair", which is also like... weird with different peoples' opinions on what is ex cathedra. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    modern Catholic doctrine does not actually say the Pope is infallible. Rather, it is that he is infallible

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah, pretty much. What, you expected consistency from the religious sect that has consistently had issues with child sexual abuse?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I hate to break it to you about other religions, too…

    Obviously the Catholic Church has a systemic problem, and given that it’s one of the largest religions on earth (and their molester shuffling), it’s more universal than in a lot of religions, and I’m not defending them. They’re only unique in scale though.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Which other religions are you referring to? Naturally you would identify them by name.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    If you’d like. Mormons, different kinds of Protestant, Jehovas Witnesses, Amish, Hasidic Jews, Muslims, and so many cults off the top of my head (not the links, obviously, but I just wrote out all of the religions associated with pedophilia I remembered from the past few years and went looking for stories). I suspect if I lived around more other religions, I’d be able to remember different ones and you can probably find cases for most religions (I just went looking for an exception, but even Unitarians are not immune).

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    If a core Catholic belief is the pope is infallible

    It isn't. That's only when the Pope is speaking "ex cathedra" meaning "from the chair" which Pius IX defined as

    when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, [the Bishop of Rome] defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    My point. He is infallible, specifically in this matter.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    And my point is that you're wrong.

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