Well I want my country back so we are both not happy now bitch!
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This is the most Republican of Republican attitudes - they don't give a toss about others outside their circle of concern having their lives made needlessly miserable by conservative policies. Then it hits home, and they are clutching their pearls.
I'm baffled that it doesn't occur to people that the rules will apply to them
In 2024, toward the end of his presidency, Joe Biden’s administration granted her a permit allowing her to work legally in the US
But voted Trump and probably blames Biden for this
Votes should be revokable, I've always liked the idea of liquid democracy.
That's a step in the right direction, but ultimately, the best solution would be an imperative mandate. I have no idea how we've let ourselves get gaslit that free mandates (once someone is elected they can do what they want, regardless of voter intention) is somehow more democratic than imperative mandates.
Hmm, you're right, that is definitely a problem. The best solutions I can think of would be-
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Voter coercion laws. If nothing else make it at least illegal to do exactly that, so abusers can be held accountable.
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Maybe limit who can receive delegations in some way. Like making the status of being a delegate carry responsibilities, requiring a small curriculum and civil service so that only people who genuinely care about being representatives pursue that path rather than any average asshole who might coerce their peers and family into giving them more personal voting power.
I love this idea, but the main obstacle this has to overcome is the voter's knowledge of the issues and any given candidate stances on them. If we implemented this in the US, I feel like most people would still simply delegate all their votes to one candidate or all candidates of a particular party. It's a lot of information for a working person to keep track of. Any idea on how to overcome this with paper ballots? Or are computerized ballots with all relevant information embedded within the way to go?
Even if most people just delegate their votes in an uninformed way, a liquid democracy would be more resilient to issues coming from that because people can change their votes after casting them.
I'm not sure what kinds of solutions other people have come up with, but personally what I think could be practical is an institution either like a bank, or possibly even incorporated into banks. They already have mature infrastructure for the secure handling of financial data and systems against fraud.
Haven't seen this posted in a while. I forgot you can delegate your vote to different people for different issues. How is the "category" of an issue decided though?
Wouldn't that be up to the delagator? Wouldn't they just decide case by case?
Then the delegator has to vote/delegate on every issue-- they don't need expertise themselves like in a direct democracy, but it is still an issue due to sheer vote volume.
Yeah pretty much. You trust your guy until you change your mind or feel that you need to change your vote. Not really seeing a problem with that.
I don't think you're understanding my point. If, as you said, you have to assign a delegate "case by case" for every vote, then you have to vote in every vote. This comes with all the problems of getting people to vote on things now, but 100x as bad because of how many votes there would be.
Racist white people dont consider themselves immigrants, they use ex pat because they themselves use immigrant in a derogatory way
Fuck these people.
They should have listened to what all of us were telling them constantly.
dumb fucks.
what did they actually think would happen? the shit he said he was going to do was going to be directed at everyone but them because they were "special"?
LOL! They're a bunch of racist neo-Nazi fucks. If the Cynthia tries to get Francisco to Canada, Canadian Immigration should deny them.
The mental gymnastics these people engage in to completely ignore how fascists work is mind numbing.
A stunning turn of events for sure.
First one of these I've seen where they actually regret it when their family gets dragged away.
Don't worry, by 2028 they'll be all-in on whoever the fascist ghoul is without a lick of self-reflection. Even if it's Trump again.
Votes for harsh immigration laws.
Sees Canadian getting fucked by immigration laws.
"Wait! I meant brown people! Immigration laws against Brown people! Trump betrayed us!"
Not one to be super religious, but I think Galatians 6:7 fits well here.
"Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows."
Turns out ladder pulling doesn't work well when you vote for the people that push you off with the ladder.

I wonder if they'll learn empathy, or just outrage.
Nah. You fuckers voted for mass deportation, you fucking own it.
You just thought it wouldn't happen to the people you care about. You didn't care if it happened to other people.
As I've said many times, they don't care unless it affects them personally, then it is a crisis.
Yes..but also seems she was illegally in the country since 1999 which is even more fucking confusing why people that are illegally in the country voted for someone like trump..human stupidity never ceases to surprise me.
She lost her green card as a youth for stealing something under $200. She then kept going to immigration court and was told "you're fine" by the authorities for 25 years.
The US immigration system has been a tragedy for many decades. It doesn't work well, efficiently,not clearly. It's basically designed to allow in people who fit certain profiles, but any weirdness in your situation puts you in indefinite limbo and at the whims of various officials. It makes an underclass of grey zone residents. This was generally fine, but openly set up conditions for a racist regime to start snatching people out of their homes. People who played by the rules for decades.
The US immigration system today: When Kafka meets Hitler.
Explain to me like I am not American, how can an illegal immigrant vote? Don't you have to be a citizen?
"My situation is nuanced and complicated. Other people's situations are simple and straightforward."
They believed the caricature "bad people" were going to be the ones targeted. She wasn't a "bad person" she just stayed a little longer while trying to get her green card....
Not necessarily… it seems her husband surname (Francisco Olivera)
I hope she at least learns from this...but with what I've seen of conservatives, she's going to move here and start voting Conservative
I don't know, this is one of the few whose actually admitted the mistake. You know, instead of screaming support all the way to the grave he'll bury them in.
The fact they only realised it was wrong when it happened to them kind of shows they deserve nothing in the way of sympathy.
Perhaps no sympathy, but we should offer encouragment those who realise their mistakes and speak up, to encourage others to do the same. When they talk to their friends and neighbours, maybe it will hit close enough to home for them to consider whether they want to keep supporting this.
Way too many people thought Trump meant "criminals" who happened to be in the country without papers not understanding that when he talked "illegal aliens" he meant anybody who wasn't a US citizen.












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