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[–] 170 points 7 months ago* (9 children)

When your nation falls apart and your city becomes an extensive warzone for years, the main power grid probably isn't top notch. But the sun works just fine!

If it wasn't for oil making the middle east insanely rich, imagine what they could do with solar

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  • [–] 30 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    They can still go all out on solar, it's not like they're pumping all that oil for themselves only

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    there is the idea of exporting solar from Morocco to UK.

    There's others where it's proposed to build a a high voltage line from Morocco to Spain, France, Germany. Eventually, they'll upgrade the grid to be able to move power from one region to another.

    Same thing in the states, southern states generate for the north in the winter and in the summer the north to the south to help with high demand from AC.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    The western countries are just needlessly delaying energy independence. They are hostile to life itself.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    We elect conservatives, they are afraid of change. It is as simple as that.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    It's more like elite psychology. Positions of power self-select for a very specific kind of bad person, who would rather die, than have peasants become any more free.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    This effect exists, as well amongst left wing leaders, yet we do observe more diminishing inequalities in countries ruled by left-wing coalitions.

    I do think that power-seeking individuals will tend to be anti-equality, yet to some extent, democracy works as the left-wing variety of these individuals have to conquer power by increasing redistribution.

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  • [+] 102 points 7 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 34 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Because oil people don't make money from solar.

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  • [–] 25 points 7 months ago

    They do make money from solar. Just not enough to their liking.

    Returns on investments in fossil fuels typically range between 10-20 percent, while for a renewables project, 5-8 percent is the norm, Reuters reported in June 2023. “It’s also about the volatility of profitability,” Christophers says. Meanwhile, if the price of the feedstock falls, that usually means fossil fuels are cheaper – and thus the level of profitability can still be maintained. Renewable energy projects in contrast must contend with costs which are largely upfront and have to be met regardless of fluctuations in electricity prices. That makes investment riskier – and therefore costlier, cutting profitability. (source)

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago

    People against rooftop are the craziest to me. Not only does it give you essentially free energy, it also shades the roof, cooling the building just by existing. Every factory on earth should cover their roofs with solar panels. It just makes too much sense not to. Even from a capitalist perspective, it's stupid not to. And lost hours due to heat stress are common in manufacturing, throw up some solar panels and lower your indoor temps while shoving money in your pockets from energy savings. Heat stress injuries go down, OSHA rating goes up, insurance goes down. It just doesn't make sense to fight solar.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    2 years ago I installed 30 500watt panels on my roof. It's been amazing!

    I'm in Canada, so I can't be off grid at all, but during the summer I generate way more than I use and in the winter I take essentially what I over produced in the summer, so I'm net zero usage from the grid in a year.

    All my heat is electric and I drive an electric car.

    My break even is 18 years, so it's definitely not for everyone, but I can see a future where electricity is almost free and we burn zero fossil fuels. I doubt I'll be alive for this, but if we all don't do this, no one else will be alive either

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  • [–] 46 points 7 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 27 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Plant some more trees and rooftop gardens and you’ve got an official Solarpunk setting

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Quite frankly, trees inside cities are decorative. If you truly care about ecology and the ecosystem, you look at the forestry on a national or regional level. Theoretically, having the densest and hence the smallest cities possibles would be the best for the overall ecosystem. When I see a park in a city I am thinking "they force the city to grow its radius by that much".

    I'd rather have a very dense urban seed surrounded by natural reserves than a chill cityscape with a few scattered parks that are not big enough to sustain a full ecosystem.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    First of all, "merely decorative" has a big impact on our physiological and psychological well-being; urban greening appears to be able to improve things from respiratory difficulties to stress, anxiety and depression .

    Second, "merely decorative" isn't even true. Trees lower both surface and air temperature in cities in a meaningful way (on the order of a couple of degrees on a well-treed street -- that can be the difference between "ah, it's a nice day for a walk" and "holy crap it's hot out".

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Yes, I was a but cynical also for the sake of conciseness, but there is indeed and interesting point in green cities, that's one question on which ecologism and environmentalism differ. The question is whether you are trying to preserve the whole ecosystem or an environment in which humans feel good.

    To be honest, I don't want to live in a concrete jungle. I think inhumane to live in a super dense city totally disconnected to nature. But I also would like that we collectively accept that this is a preference that is harmful to the ecosystem and that it is sometimes okay to have such preferences, if we manage to make them sustainable.

    20 years ago a urbanist I was working with, when we were doing city simulations to help offset CO2 footprint told me "you know, the ugly truth is that if we want to lower our CO2 emissions to the max, we should all live in skyscrapers on top of a school, supermarket and incinerator."

    Thing is, we need to recognize the tension between an enjoyable environment, wildlife preservation, human health, the ecosystem's health... And we need to see further than the current, petty, political compartimentalization of these questions. I wish one day we start consider these questions a bit more seriously

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  • [–] 32 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Unfortunately, this is more likely pushed by acute necessity than anything else.

    Hopefully, we all won't require a massive war to figure out solar should be invested into.

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  • [–] [S] 16 points 7 months ago

    Hopefully, we all won’t require a massive war to figure out solar should be invested into.

    The Iran war is kinda doing just that, though renewable was going up pretty steadily even before it.

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  • [+] 26 points 7 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 24 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    Eventually we'll so be doing this out of necessity. Just not any time soon, not until something big breaks.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Well things are all going great. Can't imagine anything breaking. Can't imagine electrical grids getting overwhelmed from infrastructure neglect and a surge in demand or fossil fuels becoming scarce or their flows being interrupted. When was the last time any of that stuff happened?

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    maybe the data-center upgrades will payoff when the ai bubble pops and everyone drives ev because of gas prices. infrastructure pre-built. ev charging cheaper at night so off peak already best on existing grid.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    Those things are going to get scrapped so fast when America falls. Ya know how eventually locals used the stones from the pyramids, the lighthouse of Alexandria, and the Roman colosseum? Well, that but scrapping chips and copper from abandoned data centers.

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago

    all hail the sun 🖐️☀️🖐️

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago

    You guys this makes Coalie cry 😩 🪨

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  • [–] 32 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Oh hey, something not completely depressing!

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    It just needs some trees to make it not depressing. Still, it's far better than oil and gas.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I meant a thing, not the picture generally. Id add some variety to the architecture as well.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Yup. A lot of architecture or city design in West Asia is created with ivory color due to its reflecting more heat than any other color. This lack of variety of color and repeating building design is contributing to the "depressiveness".

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago

    Impressive, thank for sharing this amazing picture 😳👍

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (6 children)

    In Google maps you can use satellite mode to look at their roofs. There are some panels but nothing like this.

    edit: satellite mode is out of date, see further conversation below.

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  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Google Earth has data up through June 27, 2024. Check around the Salloum Hospital and Syrian Arab Red Cross Hospital. That area around the hospitals and to the NNE looks like nearly every roof has panels. Could also be a more recent picture and more panels may have been installed in the past year or two.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    My Google Maps says 2026 on the bottom of it.

    I've highlighted the solar panels I could see, around Salloum Hospital:

    image

    It's great to see so many but it's way more scattered and patchy than in the OP photo.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago* (8 children)

    Offtopic:

    An usually

    This feels odd, it seems like proper English, with the An since the next word starts with a vowel, but something about it feels off and I might be too dumb to realize what it is.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

    I'm guessing the title is a typo, and I'm guessing was meant to be "An UNusually...."

    And the "a vs an" rule is more based on the sound that the next word starts with, rather than just the actual letter.

    So for "usually", it's a "You-" sound

    But for "unusually" it's an "Uh-" sound

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago*

    Because the u in usually is pronounced like the consonant y, like “yew”. We use “a” before consonant sounds.

    The u in unusually is pronounced like the vowel sound u, like “uh”. We use “an” before vowel sounds.

    This is because two vowel sounds in a row is somewhat awkward and doesn’t flow as easily with how you move your mouth to pronounce things. Using “an” puts an extra consonant sound in between the two vowel sounds.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Implements taxes on solar energy

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    oh cool, maybe they did this cause a long time ago during the civil war there was frequent power cuts?

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    There still are frequent power cuts in Syria.

    In Damascus, the power is on for like 8 hours per day.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Well there is still a province that is under Druze grasp so I wouldn't say the civil war ended.

    Well, Assad is gone at least but it is still pretty unstable there.

    And the people are not educated enough to call for real democracy, they are happy with the majority Sunni in power.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    How similar most of the panels are makes me think someone there's actually doing distributed infrastructure right :)

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    This will be a sort of "duh" moment in human history, won't it.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)

    I wonder if the black panels increase the urban heat island effect.

    It’s a pretty sharp departure from the light coloured buildings.

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  • [–] [S] 25 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    Interesting question. From what I gathered from this nature study on that, it seems that solar farms can increase ambient temperature compared to an area with some vegetation, which may be due to the panel preventing the ground from irradiating heat as effectively (by like, bouncing it off the back of the panel) and removing the vegetation that cools the area from evaporation.

    But I think on a rooftop that may not have as much thermal mass as the ground, it may not have that effect, and overall should lessen the cooling needs of a building somewhat due to the shade the panels provide. Panels also don't get quite as hot as an unshielded roof, since they do reflect some infrared energy despite their dark color.

    tl:dr, probably not much or at all since they're on a rooftop, and if it does, it could probably be mitigated by planting more trees and vegetation in the city (which can drop temps up to 8 degrees). But that's mostly an educated guess.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    @ProdigalFrog wow #photovoltaik seems a Thing there

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    I wonder if they use batteries and what kind.

    Also whether the local electricians have jury rigged some kind of bottom up grid of their own.

    Does anyone have information?

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago

    Look at all these teeny tiny humans with their teeny tiny solar panels. All that just to catch the occasional stray photon. What are they compared to the sun almighty?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Turns out they are actually Terraists. Apparently, misspelling that on purpose so people are properly afraid when they failure to understand why they need to be removed.

    "Intelligence"

    Who? Whooo!

    Turns out that Snake and the Cosmic Owl were brothers. Thanks, Cake.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    At first I thought those were parking garages but then those look like balconies, but the one on the right has windows. Interesting buildings. I wonder what a unit looks like.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    are they solar water heaters or electric panels?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    its not just aleppo , the entire country is filled with Solar

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    I kinda want to downvote because why is this unusual? Syria is a war torn country with a shitty grid and many developing and developped countries have plenty of roof top solar?

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    And also a huge need for AC, when solar is typically at the peak.

    I wondered when I visited Malaysia why there was not more solar panels around, and a local explained to me that it was mostly lobbying and corruption, with local electricity providers making it illegal.

    I don't wish on anyone what Syria went through, but I am also hopeful that when systems breaks, workarounds exist and may in the long term improve the overall situation.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago

    Whats a leppo?

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