Honestly they're correct. Putin at least seems somewhat predictable and he's definitely more intelligent.
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Spain’s been going fairly hard lately, and I’m loving it!
There's a lot going wrong in that country, sadly. But their stance lately on the US and Israel is admirable and should be an example for the rest of the EU, and the world. Silence is compliance.
It's all bark and no bite. If they want to go hard, how about they actually do something instead of sending thoughts and prayers.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1499394/european-aid-to-ukraine-by-country/
Bullshit:
"I would like to present new measures from Spain — first and foremost, a new military aid package worth EUR 1 billion for 2026. In total, Spain's assistance in this war has reached EUR 4 billion," Sanchez said.
Awesome. Better late than never.
But if their PM says they've given 4 billion I suppose it must be true. He is the leader of a country after all. They would never lie or skew the truth in their favour.
Spain with their corruption are obviously highly trustworthy.
This is more than thoughts
Oh wow... closed airspace for US military planes. Must be real expensive. What a huge sacrifice.
They're not risking anything. It doesn't cost them anything. The only reason they close it is for their own domestic politics.
You were going to complain no matter what Spain did...
No, they could start actually helping out in europe and I'll be overjoyed.
Mate, Spain isn't doing great itself. As much as I would love to have Spain's support, they need ours first. There is a lot of corruption, poverty, inequality, oppression of minority groups, etc. The fact they speak out against a tyrant does more on the world stage than staying politically correct and trying to keep the modern fascist regime a friend because that would be the economically smart choice.
We need people to speak up, to take a side, because silance is compliance. In history we remember the ones who did. Like Martin Luther King and Ghandi, to just name a few. Their words meant more than their money. We also remember the UK and France for taking a stance against Hitler too late, after letting him go too far already.
Even the pope is doing it. It has always been the strongest power of the Vatican, even though their wealth could end world hunger more than once.
What Spain is risking by closing it's airspace to the US, is war with the US if the US doesn't give a shit and uses its airspace, and Spain keeps its word. I wouldn't say that's just bark and no bite. That shit is serious. It's only just bark if they don't enforce it, but we don't know that yet. At least they take a strong stance, which should be an example to us all. They risk war with a super power to take a moral stance. They are modern day heroes if you ask me. Rosa Park did the same, taking huge risks to take a stance.
They are not doing great themselves, yes, there's plenty of corruption to go around, is any of that an excuse? Their problems didn't happen yesterday. They've had plenty of time to work for a better future. All while being funded by the EU. They're just not interested...
I'm not complaining about Spain closing their airspace. That's great.
But giving Spain credit for "going hard" is just wrong. For decades they've gone by doing the bare minimum, if even that, reaping every possible benefit of EU while contributing nothing of worth or significance.
Spain is not risking war with the US. Not even close.
So you're complaining they aren't doing enough. At, least they are doing something. Can't say the same about Hungary. All EU countries are not doing enough. One does more than the other, that's how things are. At least Spain is speaking out, taking a stance. Can't say the same for most other countries.
So we can continue complaining about everything that could be done better, but that doesn't help anyone. Maybe focus your anger at the real issue we live with: the US and Russia. Instead of bickering about who does more, which will only create more turmoil instead of creating a stronger front together. The US and Russia would love nothing more than to divide the EU and your comments fit their narrative.
You could be fighting in Ukraine, since you seem to think that's a good idea. There's plenty of conscripts happy to switch places with you.
I'll even cover your railway ticket from Poland.
I've already been to Ukraine. We drove 2 trucks from Sweden filled with supplies. Everything from stethoscope's to food. What have you done?
You probably don't mean to, but you're sounding like a bit of an ignorant asshole. Were you like hangry or sth when you wrote this?
Possibly. I am in the process of decreasing my carb intake by 99%
Great that they closed their airspace. Truly. But praising them for "going hard" I think is silly. And I stand by that their reason for doing so is purely for domestic politics. It's the right decision but for the wrong reason.
for the wrong reason.
I don't see why this matters to you at all. If someone feeds the homeless nefariously, then let them. The homeless are getting fed. If someone stops the holocaust because it allows them to cement their hegemony, or because they got paid for it, whatever! If it stops the holocaust, I'm happy.
Except it doesn't stop the genocide at all.
And the problem with doing the right thing for the wrong reason is that next time it's not going to be the right thing.
And people do feed homeless people nefariously, it's a real problem for real people. Mixing in moulded food. Filling sandwiches with toothpaste.
I'm sure you want them to say thank you and eat around the toothpaste... but I'm not going to praise them for it.
And people do feed homeless people nefariously, it’s a real problem for real people. Mixing in moulded food. Filling sandwiches with toothpaste.
You misunderstand the premise. Spain isn't mixing toothpaste in proverbial sandwiches here. They closed their air space for air traffic intended for the illegal assault on Iran. That's a good thing. It's a tuna melt sandwich, no tooth paste, in the hands of the homeless.
Yeah I know. I just thought it was a really stupid analogy
Ah, so you didn't miss the core point. So could you maybe try to address it?
I did.
Except it doesn’t stop the genocide at all.
And the problem with doing the right thing for the wrong reason is that next time it’s not going to be the right thing.
And the problem with doing the right thing for the wrong reason is that next time it’s not going to be the right thing
Nice, that does address the core point. Two problems.
First, the idea that "next time it's not going to be the right thing" has not been established at all. I mean, clearly it's possible to do the right thing for the wrong reasons at least once, so it is not at all unimaginable that it could happen twice, three times, or as many times in a row as you'd like.
Secondly, you have given no indication what these "wrong reasons" are, in the case of Spain restricting its air space to impede the illegal assault on Iran. Is it to appease voters who are against this? Because that's literally just how democracy works.
Except it doesn’t stop the genocide at all
So this is unrelated to the core point, but let's talk about it anyway. This reduces the avenues America has to send military aid to Israel in the illegal assault on Iran, so it very clearly does do somehing to impede the assault on Iran. And a reduction in military aid to Israel is a step in the direction of ending the genocide, so that's a nice extra. Although I'm not sure why we're talking about the genocide. Even though it's related, clearly a restricted air space to impede the illegal assault on Iran is more directly related to the assault on Iran than it is to the genocide.
Oh I have plenty of examples of right decision for the wrong reason.
We can start with Nazi Germany helping Finland defend their country against the Soviets.
Very good decision. Terrible reason as they couldn't care less about Finland, they just wanted to kill Russians and ensure they had supply lines north to send jews back to their death.
Then they also did a whole lot of other terrible things for terrible reasons. So, you asked.
I absolutely have an answer to what the "wrong reason" is. Nothing but populism. It's far easier to hide unpopular policies among one big popular one.
The statement was made that their action puts a stop or halt to their genocide of Iran. To which I answered "except it's not". It's but a short delay.
Again. I agree with the decision. But I don't think Spain deserves any praise for going hard when they've done almost nothing to help Europe since they joined the EU. It's been almost 40 years now. It was time for them to get serious 10 years ago.
Let's make it relative. Which countries are going harder against the US (without supporting Iran).
Why would it be relative? I'm sure Denmark could close their airspace to the US too, but it's not relevant so does it matter?
Other countries are busy spending enormous sums of money and resources on helping Ukraine. Opening up a second front in a second war has never been a successful strategy.
Naval Station Rota, and Morón Airbase are pretty fucking big, strategic, and not being able to use them is not trivial.
you dropped this.

It’s yours, don’t lie
don't kink shame, it's rude.
We can laugh at what we accept makes others happy too you know. I don’t need to approve of peoples kinks for them to be allowed to exist.
doesn't make it less rude though...
Sorry, how does not supporting the war in Ukraine make Spain's opposition to US and Israeli wars hypocritical? This makes no sense.
I didn't say it was hypocritical.
You just have a form of Tourette where instead of saying curses, you have to type about Ukraine or something?
No. Does it usually work for you to just throw spaghetti at the wall and see what sticks?
No, you see, I'm actually responding to the subject of what I respond to. It helps. You should try it, instead of bringing up your pet proxy war in a thread about the US and Spain.
Spains actions in general are very much the subject to the statement of "Spain going hard".
Proxy War
Say no more. I see ml users have escaped containment
Since when is Spain involved in the Ukraine war, my little chickenhawk?
Vete a la mierda, puto.
Holy shit you are dense. They aren’t. That's what we've been writing about. How they have not helped much at all.
Por favor, callate tu puta boca
OK, you are actually too stupid to function.
Post is about how Spain sees Trump as a greater threat to peace than Putin.
You - "WHY ISN'T SPAIN FIGHTING IN UKRAINE?"
I mean, I know you're not either, is that why you're so mad?
oh, y tu espanol es peor que la ano de tu madre, donde todos los muchachos lleva la leche, pendejo
Oh, so hard! Closed airspace to US planes. Wow! It must be very scary.
Well, yeah, at least Putin is smart, and will act strategically. Trump is just a monkey flinging poop.
He couldn't even take Ukraine. The biggest difference is that he isn't a terminally online manbaby who needs constant attention.
Yeah, very smart that one. If he didn’t attack Ukraine, Russia would have been one of the wealthiest countries in the world. The entire EU was dependent on them ffs. Now it wouldn’t surprise me if I hear that the federation breaks apart very soon.
Not only Spaniards, every sane person will put US as number one enemy of the world.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-hated-country
currently in second but i expect them to vault to the lead with all the shit going on.
The US has been the greatest threat to the world since WW2.
We also inspired the top-troglodyte who sparked WW2 with our treatment of indigenous people and the treatment of migrants at the Southern Border.
And then hired a bunch of the Nazis after WW2, like the first head of NASA who admitted to using forced labor and engineered (some of? all of?) the rockets shot at Britain.
I used to joke about my children having to fight in the "Trump Wars" during his first term. Then he got reelected. It's not funny anymore.
Trump has made it crystal clear that the 21st century will be China's Century.
Not just peace but business in general. The man is fucking famous for bankrupting everything he touches for crying out loud
So do we Americans.
Let these escapades serve as an example that, outside of the Epstein Class, people's only power here is local.
Finally a country that sees the reality of the situation.
I think they all see it, but are scared to say it out loud in case he gets activated. Like when you see youre being watched late at night. You dont run and scream immediately you sort of walk a tiny bit faster trying not to let them know that you know because that'll trigger the chase.
US invading Iran is similar to Putin invading Brazil btw distance-wise. Which one can you imagine ever happening?
Im 42 and I can't remember a time the US wasn't over there.
Putin and Trump are the same threat, just look at what they do in Hungary.
Putin is finished, he is a walking dead together with the Russian Empire he wanted to create.
But we need to support Ukraine more, so this stupid war isn't prolonged more than necessary. When the war is over both Ukraine and EU will prosper.
They should know Trump is a running dog for Putin.

And for Netanyahu. I am pretty sure Netanyahu goaded Trump into attacking Iran.
Yea feels stupid to blame the puppet instead of the puppeteer
I think we've reached the point in geopolitics where there's half-a-dozen hands pulling on any one person's strings.
Unnecessary distinction. Trump is choosing to do all of this. A lot of people probably have a lot of dirt on him, but he's still making his own choices.
Given his current level of lucidity, I doubt he's capable of independent thought as he still has some hangers-on and aides who appear incompetent but actually have plans of their own, pushing the bastard to approve of their ideas. That he is also but a product of a game long played by vested interests: Roger Stone, the anti-climate Mercers, the Christofascists behind Project 2025, the oligarchy in general, and of course the Chinese and Russians who'd found him the perfect agent of influence.
He's so fucking smug, so convinced to be winning but is truly isolating and destroying the US from the inside and indirectly benefiting the new hegemonies realigning the world order.
Choice? The dude has more kompromat than anyone else on the planet. Hes doing what hes told
well, the world country hate index has China first, US second and Russia third. China is working to change their image, donations of solar panels in Africa etc , Russia and the US are active in making their world image worse and in making the world worse.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-hated-country
I assume with all these shenanigans, we'll see the US vault to the top.
but as an Australian, I'd agree with Spain, The US and Russia are now our enemies, China is not in anyway an ally of course but more like Vietnam etc
I was unaware that most of the world is Spanish. The more you know..
It is the most broadly-apoken language.
It is not.
English is the most broadly spoken language (native and non-native speakers). Mandarin has the most native speakers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_total_number_of_speakers
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