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[–] 67 points 7 months ago (51 children)

Spain’s been going fairly hard lately, and I’m loving it!

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago

    Spain's location is very important strategically, and not being able to us Naval Station Rota, and Morón airbase complicates things for the US. Disabling, no, but it certainly makes things harder.

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  • [+] -39 points 7 months ago (47 children)

    It's all bark and no bite. If they want to go hard, how about they actually do something instead of sending thoughts and prayers.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1499394/european-aid-to-ukraine-by-country/

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Bullshit:

    "I would like to present new measures from Spain — first and foremost, a new military aid package worth EUR 1 billion for 2026. In total, Spain's assistance in this war has reached EUR 4 billion," Sanchez said.

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  • [+] -12 points 7 months ago

    Awesome. Better late than never.

    But if their PM says they've given 4 billion I suppose it must be true. He is the leader of a country after all. They would never lie or skew the truth in their favour.

    Spain with their corruption are obviously highly trustworthy.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (27 children)
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  • [–] 25 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    You were going to complain no matter what Spain did...

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  • [+] -8 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    No, they could start actually helping out in europe and I'll be overjoyed.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

    Mate, Spain isn't doing great itself. As much as I would love to have Spain's support, they need ours first. There is a lot of corruption, poverty, inequality, oppression of minority groups, etc. The fact they speak out against a tyrant does more on the world stage than staying politically correct and trying to keep the modern fascist regime a friend because that would be the economically smart choice.

    We need people to speak up, to take a side, because silance is compliance. In history we remember the ones who did. Like Martin Luther King and Ghandi, to just name a few. Their words meant more than their money. We also remember the UK and France for taking a stance against Hitler too late, after letting him go too far already.

    Even the pope is doing it. It has always been the strongest power of the Vatican, even though their wealth could end world hunger more than once.

    What Spain is risking by closing it's airspace to the US, is war with the US if the US doesn't give a shit and uses its airspace, and Spain keeps its word. I wouldn't say that's just bark and no bite. That shit is serious. It's only just bark if they don't enforce it, but we don't know that yet. At least they take a strong stance, which should be an example to us all. They risk war with a super power to take a moral stance. They are modern day heroes if you ask me. Rosa Park did the same, taking huge risks to take a stance.

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  • [+] -6 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    They are not doing great themselves, yes, there's plenty of corruption to go around, is any of that an excuse? Their problems didn't happen yesterday. They've had plenty of time to work for a better future. All while being funded by the EU. They're just not interested...

    I'm not complaining about Spain closing their airspace. That's great.

    But giving Spain credit for "going hard" is just wrong. For decades they've gone by doing the bare minimum, if even that, reaping every possible benefit of EU while contributing nothing of worth or significance.

    Spain is not risking war with the US. Not even close.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    So you're complaining they aren't doing enough. At, least they are doing something. Can't say the same about Hungary. All EU countries are not doing enough. One does more than the other, that's how things are. At least Spain is speaking out, taking a stance. Can't say the same for most other countries.

    So we can continue complaining about everything that could be done better, but that doesn't help anyone. Maybe focus your anger at the real issue we live with: the US and Russia. Instead of bickering about who does more, which will only create more turmoil instead of creating a stronger front together. The US and Russia would love nothing more than to divide the EU and your comments fit their narrative.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    You could be fighting in Ukraine, since you seem to think that's a good idea. There's plenty of conscripts happy to switch places with you.

    I'll even cover your railway ticket from Poland.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I've already been to Ukraine. We drove 2 trucks from Sweden filled with supplies. Everything from stethoscope's to food. What have you done?

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (12 children)

    You probably don't mean to, but you're sounding like a bit of an ignorant asshole. Were you like hangry or sth when you wrote this?

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  • [–] -5 points 7 months ago (11 children)

    Possibly. I am in the process of decreasing my carb intake by 99%

    Great that they closed their airspace. Truly. But praising them for "going hard" I think is silly. And I stand by that their reason for doing so is purely for domestic politics. It's the right decision but for the wrong reason.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    for the wrong reason.

    I don't see why this matters to you at all. If someone feeds the homeless nefariously, then let them. The homeless are getting fed. If someone stops the holocaust because it allows them to cement their hegemony, or because they got paid for it, whatever! If it stops the holocaust, I'm happy.

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  • [–] -5 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Except it doesn't stop the genocide at all.

    And the problem with doing the right thing for the wrong reason is that next time it's not going to be the right thing.

    And people do feed homeless people nefariously, it's a real problem for real people. Mixing in moulded food. Filling sandwiches with toothpaste.

    I'm sure you want them to say thank you and eat around the toothpaste... but I'm not going to praise them for it.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago* (5 children)

    And people do feed homeless people nefariously, it’s a real problem for real people. Mixing in moulded food. Filling sandwiches with toothpaste.

    You misunderstand the premise. Spain isn't mixing toothpaste in proverbial sandwiches here. They closed their air space for air traffic intended for the illegal assault on Iran. That's a good thing. It's a tuna melt sandwich, no tooth paste, in the hands of the homeless.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah I know. I just thought it was a really stupid analogy

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

    Ah, so you didn't miss the core point. So could you maybe try to address it?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    I did.

    Except it doesn’t stop the genocide at all.

    And the problem with doing the right thing for the wrong reason is that next time it’s not going to be the right thing.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child)

    And the problem with doing the right thing for the wrong reason is that next time it’s not going to be the right thing

    Nice, that does address the core point. Two problems.

    First, the idea that "next time it's not going to be the right thing" has not been established at all. I mean, clearly it's possible to do the right thing for the wrong reasons at least once, so it is not at all unimaginable that it could happen twice, three times, or as many times in a row as you'd like.

    Secondly, you have given no indication what these "wrong reasons" are, in the case of Spain restricting its air space to impede the illegal assault on Iran. Is it to appease voters who are against this? Because that's literally just how democracy works.

    Except it doesn’t stop the genocide at all

    So this is unrelated to the core point, but let's talk about it anyway. This reduces the avenues America has to send military aid to Israel in the illegal assault on Iran, so it very clearly does do somehing to impede the assault on Iran. And a reduction in military aid to Israel is a step in the direction of ending the genocide, so that's a nice extra. Although I'm not sure why we're talking about the genocide. Even though it's related, clearly a restricted air space to impede the illegal assault on Iran is more directly related to the assault on Iran than it is to the genocide.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Oh I have plenty of examples of right decision for the wrong reason.

    We can start with Nazi Germany helping Finland defend their country against the Soviets.

    Very good decision. Terrible reason as they couldn't care less about Finland, they just wanted to kill Russians and ensure they had supply lines north to send jews back to their death.

    Then they also did a whole lot of other terrible things for terrible reasons. So, you asked.

    I absolutely have an answer to what the "wrong reason" is. Nothing but populism. It's far easier to hide unpopular policies among one big popular one.

    The statement was made that their action puts a stop or halt to their genocide of Iran. To which I answered "except it's not". It's but a short delay.

    Again. I agree with the decision. But I don't think Spain deserves any praise for going hard when they've done almost nothing to help Europe since they joined the EU. It's been almost 40 years now. It was time for them to get serious 10 years ago.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Let's make it relative. Which countries are going harder against the US (without supporting Iran).

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Why would it be relative? I'm sure Denmark could close their airspace to the US too, but it's not relevant so does it matter?

    Other countries are busy spending enormous sums of money and resources on helping Ukraine. Opening up a second front in a second war has never been a successful strategy.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (6 children)
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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    We can laugh at what we accept makes others happy too you know. I don’t need to approve of peoples kinks for them to be allowed to exist.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    Sorry, how does not supporting the war in Ukraine make Spain's opposition to US and Israeli wars hypocritical? This makes no sense.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    I didn't say it was hypocritical.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (7 children)

    You just have a form of Tourette where instead of saying curses, you have to type about Ukraine or something?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (6 children)

    No. Does it usually work for you to just throw spaghetti at the wall and see what sticks?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (5 children)

    No, you see, I'm actually responding to the subject of what I respond to. It helps. You should try it, instead of bringing up your pet proxy war in a thread about the US and Spain.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Spains actions in general are very much the subject to the statement of "Spain going hard".

    Proxy War

    Say no more. I see ml users have escaped containment

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

    Since when is Spain involved in the Ukraine war, my little chickenhawk?

    Vete a la mierda, puto.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    Holy shit you are dense. They aren’t. That's what we've been writing about. How they have not helped much at all.

    Por favor, callate tu puta boca

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child)

    OK, you are actually too stupid to function.

    Post is about how Spain sees Trump as a greater threat to peace than Putin.

    You - "WHY ISN'T SPAIN FIGHTING IN UKRAINE?"

    I mean, I know you're not either, is that why you're so mad?

    oh, y tu espanol es peor que la ano de tu madre, donde todos los muchachos lleva la leche, pendejo

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago

    The only one here that seems to be mad would be you.

    It's really sad how you're unable to follow the flow of conversation.

    Giving off some major moderator vibes. I wish everyone in your proximity good luck...

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