Israeli protesters during an judicial overall protests outside the Knesset in Jerusalem, February 20, 2023. (Photo: Ilia Yefimovich/dpa via ZUMA Press/APA Images)The entire Israeli political spectrum is united in blasting Netanyahu for not continuing to attack Iran, and Israeli society agrees. The reason, to put it simply, is that Israelis are war junkies.


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[–] 25 points 7 months ago

Wasn't it just a few weeks ago that these same people were praising their soldiers for raping captured civilians?

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  • [–] [S] 32 points 7 months ago

    This got to be the level of head shaking that can break a neck and dislocate shoulders.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago

    The bloodlust is real

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago

    All this makes sense… Instilled fear and paranoia for generations.. and now they collect the fruit of it.. people are afraid that Iran will nuclear bomb them (with a bomb that Iran doesn’t have) if they don’t final solution Iran

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  • [+] 114 points 7 months ago (18 children)
  • [–] 101 points 7 months ago (14 children)

    There are a handful of decent humans there who oppose it all. They have protested and been beaten up.

    Mostly young people. Not very many of them. But I think that's pretty courageous considering they are literally surrounded by wolves.

    What must it be like to live in a country surrounded by insane fascist. ?

    Oh... Nevermind I guess I know.

    Well.

    But at least most of my fellow U.S citizens aren't in support of it.

    I think Israel must feel like literally everyone is maga except like 2 people you know.

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)

    It's a good time to recommend the Discworld book Jingo, which remains just as relevant as when it was written.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. *No one* ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    And another quote from Feet of Clay:

    Just because someone's a member of an ethnic minority doesn't mean they're not a nasty small-minded little jerk

    (And then there's The Fifth Elephant that's so painfully spot-on that I'd rather not spoil a single moment of it. Terry Pratchett was amazing and I wish he was still around to share his humor and wisdom. We could use a few laughs right now.)

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (11 children)

    But at least most of my fellow U.S citizens aren’t in support of it.

    Only 60% oppose an unprovoked attack targeting schools and hospitals?!

    And their reasons:

    • I am from the other side of the uniparty so I dogmatically am against anything the other side does.

    • The gas prices are going up!

    • We are sending our poor little innocent baby killers to die for israel!


    No, your country isn't better.
    Also at best a handful of decent people, the US should be nuked just as hard AFAIC.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (9 children)

    What country are you in bloomcole that your hands are clean?

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    Belgium, to humor your whataboutism

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    Shall we ask a couple of countries in Africa whether Belgium has clean hands?

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Like I haven't heard that feeble argument from an americunt when he looked up Belgium to try some whataboutism.
    Bravo you've found ONE straw to grasp at from a long time ago where the circumstances are in no way comparable.
    We're talking about support of the people.
    For one, what did people know back then about the private endeavour of a royal or about anything remotely distant from where they lived?
    Yes that definitely is the same as the people of the US shithole supporting nearly all their violent imperialism and terrorism while they have every opportunity to know they're wrong.
    Oh, and BTW, it's your cancer shithole that took over in Congo and about everywhere they could in Africa.
    So you can fuck right off with your ridiculous gotcha attempt.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    That was a long way to say yep we fucked around in Africa.

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  • [–] -5 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    'we' didn't do anything.
    you and all your miserable population are war criminals.
    Glad you're eating shit and circling the drain, you fully deserve it

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Belgians sure did, do we need drag out Belgian colonial history

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  • [–] -4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    no asshole, not humoring your whataboutism about totally irrelevant history when talking about US war crimes and their reprehensible barbarian population being complicit.
    So fuck off, you've got nothing of relevance to offer.

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  • [–] 39 points 7 months ago

    Even the Nazis weren't "a whole nation of genocidal maniacs." In both Israel and Nazi Germany there is/was opposition to the atrocities committed by their leadership, just not enough. In Israel in particular "do you support comically evil thing" polls tend to get 60-80% support, except the Iran war which at its outset had 93% support. That's not a whole nation of genocidal maniacs; that's a nation of mostly genocidal maniacs.

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  • [–] 60 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    The poll they cite only polled 500 people and the "Israel Democracy Institute" who conducted the poll was founded by a Trump mega donor.

    Mondoweiss loses credibility by releasing this article without pointing out the obvious polling issue.

    They also failed to shout out the organizations that have been protesting daily against the war! Standing Together עומדים ביחד has been organizing protests since day one of the operation.

    Mondoweiss is showing itself as an unfair propagandist publication who is more interested in clicks and spicy headlines than actually giving a real picture.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    The poll they cite only polled 500 people

    Which is more than enough. Statistically, you only need 30 or so samples to get a normal distribution, at which case the error varies with 1/sqrt(n) for sample size n. This means that if a sample size of 8000 would only have 4 times less error (so from 4% to 2%) compared to one of 500. The mathematics of the thing is ironclad: Provided the sample is representative (i.e. doesn't unfairly over or underrepresent a particular group) and exceeds the mid-double digits*, any issues with sample size would manifest as a large calculated error.

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  • [–] 42 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Israel is a sick and diseased society.

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago

    Israel really blows my mind. Pro or Anti Netanyanhu supporters still want to kill Arabs. Seeing interviews and social media pics of just regular Israelis casually wishing death is still so jarring to me.

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Israeli (derogatory)

    Yes, Most Jews are in fact Zionists - by Tariq Acknickulous - https://tariqacknickulous.substack.com/p/yes-most-jews-are-in-fact-zionists

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    That is heart-breaking. How can people develop such hate and violence in their hearts?

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago

    I think it has to do with the fact that most of them were born in area surrounded by hostile adversaries who would wipe that out of existence given the first opportunity.

    Even if they spent the next fifty years being as nice as possible to the people around them, they would be conquered and assimilated if the US ever pulled their funding. They have two options: war or Exodus.

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  • [–] 29 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I'm all for shitting on these goons, but that pic is from 3 years ago and unrelated.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago

    The picture in the original article does indeed mention that:

    Israeli protesters during an judicial overall protests outside the Knesset in Jerusalem, February 20, 2023. (Photo: Ilia Yefimovich/dpa via ZUMA Press/APA Images)

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago (15 children)

    I understand the hate in the comments, but I think the important part is something else, How can the world deal with a country that only wants to commit genocide with all its neighbors? and not the government, the population in general. What can we do with this? How do we get out of the cycle of violence with people like this?

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago

    It's pretty easy actually.

    Israel's economy is dependent on US funding. If the US stopped sending them money, they couldn't commit genocide and also the economy would crash..leading to mass migration out of the country.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    Denazification of Germany after WW2 is a good example.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Is it a practical example for dealing with a country that is (or at least makes it an open secret that it very probably is) nuclear armed though?

    German "denazification" first required complete military defeat and occupation of the German state, that's not really practical to achieve when the country to be occupied has the option to devastate whatever country it's fighting as a deterrent/revenge once it concludes defeat is inevitable. As such, what is needed here I think is examples of how to defuse such a situation and push a population away from violence purely through limited conflict, economic pressure, sponsorship of internal dissent, etc

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    Its possible, just very expensive. A complete blockade for a decade or two would be a good start. They dont have the resources there to be self sufficient.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    It would be a good start but as long as the US supports them they’ll remain sufficient enough that their ruling class can enjoy their standard of living. It’d be the same as turning the US into a pariah, only the poorest would suffer. Might get some of them to flip on their support for the regime since the consequences hit home, but both regimes are self-sufficient and no longer need the support of the people to maintain power. The wealth class in the US could survive a long blockade on the resources available there, natural and human, if cut off from it’s ability to outsource exploitation.

    The real cost to dislodge these regimes is going to be money and blood, because they will not give up their power without a fight externally or internally. We got rid of Trump once and he unleashed his supporters on the Capitol, they’d vote/fight for the same thing the next time they got a chance. Same in Israel. It’s probably going to take a combination of external powers leveraging their global economic influence, apply military force, and coordinating with internal opposition to oust the central powers, then stick around and help what can be scavenged of the resistance to build new infrastructure and help prevent the Lost Causers from creeping back in to positions of influence and power.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago*

    Yes, the US needs to implode for Israel to ever see accountability. Israelis are stupid and hostile enough to implode it-- even when thats against their interests. I think it'll happen.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    Even pakistan has more nukes then Israel. Israel can't win a nuclear war

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Nobody wins in a nuclear war.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago

    Israel is small and can be fully destroyed with multiple nukes. Big countries especially with nukes could still exists after getting nukes. So the idea that israel would use a nuke on nuclear countries who will sct to end occupation foesn't look realistic to me

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    Echoing basically all other replies: Israel doesn't actually have the juice to get their lebensraum alone; they need all sorts of American and European support for it. Cutting off their support would immediately destroy their position as regional near-hegemon and force them to compromise.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    Countries should keep imposing economical sanctions on Israel till they start dismentling settlements and lift the blockade on Gaza in exchange Hamas has to disarm and organize elections. If hamas refuse countries should be arming the PA instead of israel and allow them to take down Hamas . If israel refuse countries should keep sanctionning israel and allow PA to get rid of settlers and defend itself against Israel

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    To be "fair" to hard-line settler types, the mood of the world is swinging so strongly against them and their regime, this might be the very last time they have a chance to get what they want.

    Hopefully, they'll never find a world again that is as complacent as it is now.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago

    Israelis are deeply supremacist and dont care what the world thinks, except insomuch as it affects their access to resources and influence. This is reflected in the targetting of their missiles in their "samson" doctrine. They targetted capitals across the world, including Europe.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago*

    The settlements are built by the state of israel and armed and protected by the idf. Netenyahu approve those settlements yet countries still sells weapons to them and has no economical sanctions on the state itself. Hypocrites been fake condemning settlers for decades with no action to back their claim. Iaraelis voted for Netenyahu for 6 goddamn time

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago

    Some people need a meteor.

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  • [–] 35 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    Inhuman savages.

    Then they'll claim people hate them "because we're Jews".

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago* (7 children)

    Most Zionists that are responsible for the genocide in Palestine and the war crimes in Iran are Christian.

    Conflating Zionism with Judaism is anti Semitic.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    What do you mean. The people doing the actual colonization are the israelis which are majoritarly jews . It doesn't mean jews as a whole is responsible for the actions of the israeli jews so there is no conflation between judaism and zionism

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (5 children)

    Look behind the curtain. The people who established Mandate Palestine and made 48 possible were mostly Christians.

    And the people funding the Zionist project today are mostly Christian fascists

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (4 children)

    The terrorist zionists organizations got must of it's funding from zionist jews abroad

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Misinformation. Trumpism is the biggest funder of the Zionist terrorists. That's Christian fascism.

    Balfour was Christian. Even Nazis were Zionist. Herzl himself said that antisrmites were giving to be the strangest allies with Zionism, because the European antisemitism meant deporting Jews from Europe.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    No it is not misinformation. Hagana, Irgun and lehi was predominantly by from foreign Jewish Zionists . Those Zionists who bombed Arabs, British and jews in a same attack on an Hotel was going to steal the land with or without Belfour . That's not to say that evangelical Christians do not have influenced in America and support for Israeli terrorism and settler colonialism .

    Many secular countries has normal relation with the genocidal settler colonial power for decades too.

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Zionists would have tried and lost without support of Christian Zionists.

    And they would also loose horrendously today without the support of Christian Zionists.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago*

    Zionists would have lost if the strongest economies did not recognize Israel and built relation to it. Again facts is the people who financed the terrorist zionists groups is foreign jewish zionists thst do not represent all jews like isis do not represent all muslims.christian zionists surely has a role but it do not absolve the non christian responsabilities

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  • [–] 44 points 7 months ago (11 children)

    The entire Israeli political spectrum is united in blasting Netanyahu for not continuing to attack Iran, and Israeli society agrees. The reason, to put it simply, is that Israelis are war junkies.

    Misinformation. There's literally Israeli Kinesset members that oppose the genocide in Gaza and the war with Iran. They are the minority, but they do exist.

    Not to mention the Israeli citizens refusing to enlist in the military, who are sent to prison.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    There's literally Israeli Kinesset members that oppose the genocide in Gaza and the war with Iran.

    How many?

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  • [+] -19 points 7 months ago (8 children)
  • [–] 31 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    "The entire political spectrum" doesn't mean "every single person ever," or even "every single politician ever." The implication is only that the statement applies to all political segments of the population. If the left, right and center (and any other significant political blocs) mostly agree on something, then the whole political spectrum supports it, even if some people don't.

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  • [+] -24 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    That's literally not what it means.

    There is people that oppose it. there is politicians that oppose it. The entire political spectrum isn't discrete. It's a spectrum. That's literally what a spectrum means.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago* (4 children)

    The point is not that ∀s∈S∃f(s) and g(s) | f(s)∈[0,1] and g(s)∈[0,1], it's that ∀y∈[0,1]∃h(y)∈S

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    you know you finally demonstrated a reasonable use for the keys on the number row (i prefer tenkey for numbers anyways) and coding in logic ascii would be perfect. i just need to make myself some keycaps. and the library with the 3d printer is just a 7 hour bikeride away...

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago

    Bloodthirsty pigs.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (11 children)

    I guess what goes for the US population goes for Israel's, too: not all of them are infected.

    As nations though, they're both fascist.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    Read closer, they're criticizing Netanyahu for not being pro-war enough. Not all of them are infected, but Israel is a lot worse than even America in this regard.

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  • [–] -4 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    what are your arguments to prove the US, the country actually bombing schools and hospitals is better than them?

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    Israel is doing that too, but also America has a lot more domestic opposition to its leadership's naked imperialism than Israel. This opposition rarely translates to action making it more or less worthless, but still, Americans do better on the "do you not like naked imperialism" index than Israeli Jews.

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  • [–] -3 points 7 months ago*

    a lot more domestic opposition to its leadership’s naked imperialism

    Again purely out of self-interest and their 2 sides cultism.
    Both sides support imperialism, none of their voters care about that.
    They care about domestic issues and that's it, unless foreign policy affects them, making that into a domestic issue also.
    Navel staring and selfish people.
    And I can add deluded and thinking too much of themselves too.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Israel are bombing schools and hospitsl too. The usa did multiple war but not is not currently doing settler colonialism and expand it's burder by force. Americans do not support the war on Iran as opposed to israelis

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Shitrael wouldn't be able to do this without the americans in the first place.
    Despite the media attention to the genocide and how horrible it is, it fades into insignificance to what the US does and did.
    It's only not so visible as the concentrated massacre in the small place that is Palestine.
    They have a vastly bigger military causing conflicts and murdering people in many places at the same time.
    Nothing compare to that.

    Americans do not support the war on Iran as opposed to israelis

    Read my other reply, only 60% oppose and only for selfish reasons.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I do not absolve the us responsibility. I am not one of those who think Israel control the USA. 60% opposing it for selfish reason is less than 78% of israelis supporting the war

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago

    Why are you fixared on the detail of those BS numbers, they oppose the CONSEQUENCES, not the war itself.
    And as I said, doesn't compare in the least to the scale of US war crimes and casualties.
    They had murdered infinitely more before shitrael's miserable existence.
    If I could only take one off the map it wwould be the US, the other would follow shortly.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    Down with Knesset!

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    Can't say I'm surprised.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    The entire country is sick to its core. Death to pissrael. All of it.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    🤦‍♂️

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Holy fuck they're all inhuman.

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    Who you going to call?

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