"It is my opinion that the SUV or, as it is sometimes referred to, Large Engine Vehicle, which does so well in the United States, will be a wonderful addition to the various product lines within Vietnam"

Source: https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114784170652465525

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[–] 166 points 1 year ago (15 children)

This reads like he still, even after everything, doesn't understand how tariffs work.

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  • [–] 87 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I honestly can't decide if he just really doesn't know or he's this consistently dishonest. It's hard to pick cuz I have trouble believing he could be that consistent about anything.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    @njm1314 @KoboldCoterie he's a conman, so pretty consistent with whichever lies the con depends on, like LEV generally means Low Emission Vehicle. He knows how tariffs work, but won't admit that. Keeping cult members in a disinformation bubble is the whole game.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Why did you tag both of those users?

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago

    Frustratingly his constant repeating of this backwards understanding is working. It's starting to widely take hold and resistance in the face of constant misinformation is breaking down. I heard in the last week NPR and the BBC repeat the "foreign country will pay" as fact, not a quote, with no effort to correct or clarify.

    What's the saying? Repeat a lie enough and it becomes reality?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Neither do the people whom who voted. This is why an educated population is very important

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    [–] 98 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    I have never once heard anyone ever refer to an SUV as a 'Large Engine Vehicle'. Am I just unaware, or is this trump being a complete idiot again?

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    He didn't actually say this, someone with access to his TS/Twitter account did. They don't know wtf SUV stands for and probably made it up.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    So they also have to imitate his illiterate misuse of title case for Important Words, random quotation marks for "emphasis", and littering of SHOUTY WORDS, not to mention his bizarre self-aggrandized tone and his ridiculous ways of ending messages that he thinks makes them look more important? Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Most SUVs these days don't even have the 'Large Engines' of old.

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  • [–] 94 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    He still doesn't understand how tariffs work.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    As I keep saying: It sounds like he thinks the word "tariff" just means "payment". Then he follows that with "[whoever he thinks should make the payment]". Tariff by Apple, Tariff by China, etc. Honestly. I don't know how else you can make it make sense.

    https://lemmy.world/comment/17225002

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    My supposition is that he's a complete moron following advice from someone working off a protectionism 101 primer from 1834 who had Randian bullshit physically replace his brain to the point where they don't do the rest of the steps to make the protectionism work because that's the government doing stuff and therefore communism

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    True, but there's zero chance he had anything to do with this tweet.

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  • [–] 71 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Lol, one visit to Vietnam can easily show you why an SUV is not going to be a hit there. It's basically motorcycle country. Cars are pretty common too, but motorcycles are basically THE form of transportation there.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Unfortunately their governemnt is investing heavily into car only infrastructure which bikes aren't allowed to use. It's frustrating to see considering their cities are already at maximum traffic with motorbikes alone. Adding cars to the mix there just isn't possible.

    Also there's no way that US automakers will be able to outcompete Vinfast and Chinese EVs who are working with better subsidies and significantly cheaper labor.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    That's ok, there will be a statement at some point in the near future from some Vietnamese official denying that any of this post from Trump is true.

    This has been the pattern, I've no doubt it will continue to be.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    time to invent the SUV-motorcycle

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago*

    And their streets are narrow, especially in the French quarter of Hanoi and other older areas. The vehicles in use currently are often very small to make it easier to navigate the narrow roads (and street/laneway parking) and like you mention - the scooters, which are like 90% of vehicle traffic.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    I'm in Hanoi right now. Theres quite a few SUVs and crossovers. Maybe between 1:4 and 1:8 cars to bikes.

    Mostly Kias and Toyotas, I saw 1 Ford Explorer.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    1:4 is a wild ratio. I can't picture that in Saigon, but maybe Hanoi is a lot different

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  • [–] 67 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    So American will pay between 20 and 40% tax on goods coming from Vietnam but the Vietnamese can buy US goods with no tax?

    Cool.

    Do Americans know this?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    It's protectionism, and the Democrats do. Republicans don't know what a tariff is.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It's funny. 20 to 40 tax on Americans and none on the Vietnamese and he thinks that people who make an average of USD$8,000 per year are going to buy $100,000 US SUVs. He's a delusional idiot.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I some times ask myself is it dementia or imbecility?

    Does that man understand the bullshit coming out of his holes, or is it the narcism that makes him talk and talk and talk, no matter how much lunacy is it the words leaving him...

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If I had no idea who he was, I could give extreme benefit of the doubt and say it's spin. Claiming a loss is really a win.

    But we do know who he is, so I'm going with imbecility.

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Every single Vietnamese person I've known has only driven motorcycles or scooters, because the roads are already too congested to handle large vehicle traffic. I know autos are available for hire, but realistically is it even worth owning an American SUV in Vietnam?

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I've been to HCM city and the streets are a river of scooters. These numbers are definitely off but I remember a tour guide saying there were something like 14 million people and 16 million scooters or (I forget the actual numbers). I gotta go back there it was so much fun. Amazing food, nice people and the best coffee i've ever had.

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Trump's gone woke, he's making deals with socialists! Quick, cancel his DEI funding!

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Does Trump actually think that Vietnam pays the tariffs?

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Have you seen how tiny the roads are there?

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  • [–] 82 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Vietnam will pay the US a tariff? What?

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago

    I, for one, have never in my life heard an SUV referred to as a Large Engine Vehicle

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

    I’m so confused? Why would Vietnam agree to a one sided “free” trade agreement.

    Assuming trump has wildly oversimplified the details to sound better than they are.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    US goods will be cheaper in Vietnam compared to other countries in the region. US companies will be more likely to invest in Vietnam compared to other countries in the region. If 20% is low relative to where their regional competitors end up it's not a bad deal. I don't think a lot of US produced goods compete with local products so its not likely to cause domestic industry much problems.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Quite a few companies in China have been outsourcing to Vietnam to avoid tariffs during the first Trump administration. They didn't reverse course after the Biden administration increased tariffs further.

    Even if Trump didn't touch the 25% special tariff on Chinese goods, 20% alone justifies doing so.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Some countries are caving to US on war. Some on trade. VN was threatened with 46% tariffs. The 40% transhipment rate is something easily avoided. I doubt VN will import more from US. VN making a deal can still provide best value apparel to US

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    He's got an extensive history of lying about (among so many things) what so-and-so told him in a private meeting, only to be called out and contradicted by that very person the following day.

    Throw another one on the pile, most likely.

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    [–] 34 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Why would Vietnam be paying the tariff on Vietnamese goods going into the US? I swear the definition of a tariff changes every time I see it mentioned.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    He's always said that tariffs are paid by the exporting country to the importing country. He's wrong of course, but at least he's consistent.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    It’s not wrong, it’s a lie. He does absolutely know how tariffs work, but he also knows that most Americans don’t, I can promise you, if you ask a dozen random strangers who pays the tariffs, you will end up hearing the presidents words.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Vietnam will pay a 20% tariff

    He still hasn't learned how they work, has he

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago

    Oh man, that's the second time America lost to Vietnam

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    He still doesnt understand tariffs.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    "I hate communists!" except the one that buy my Large Engine Vroom Vrooms. Thank you for your attention on this matter.

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