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[–] 46 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Women are supposed to be objects to admire, and aren't allowed to have functional clothing as a result. Didn't you know that?

Also, purse sales would suffer.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Women's pants should have cargo pockets big enough to fit any grandmother's purse. If some of my pants pockets can go up to my elbows (not even exaggerating, it's an embarrassing pain to fish my keys out of those pockets), then women should be able to lose their wristwatch in a cavernous pocket.

    Anecdote: Sometimes my wife carries a pair of ankle-high socks in her purse, in case we're gonna have to take our shoes off or whatever. This sometimes requires reorganizing her bag. When she's told me to take an extra pair of socks, of which I only have knee-high compression socks, I just match a pair, fold them, and stick them in one of my four available pockets on any of my pants. I do not have a single set of pants incapable of holding a week's worth of knee-high compression socks.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    Oh, I absolutely agree with you. I was being super sarcastic with my above comment. Foolish cultural preconceptions hinder us all. Edit to add that cargo pants with side pockets are the bomb.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    You know what? That's my fault. What started off as a humorous offhanded comment accidentally turned into a rant. Sorry to make you feel like I was talking at you when I was actually yelling at clouds.

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    My Ex had a pair of slacks that had "fake pockets" on it. She would complain literally every time she wore them. One day, it dawned on me that nicer pants and coats for men, sometimes had pockets sewed shut loosely to keep them looking nice in the store (i think that's the reason anyways). So, I asked her if it was sewn shut, and it was. She was mad at me for not telling her sooner.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    The one place I want to have pockets is at the bar. I'm fine with carrying everything in a little sack, but the second I've been drinking I can't keep track of things that aren't attached to me.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Get a nice Jean vest. I’m a dude, but I basically treat mine like it’s my purse.

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  • [+] 5 points 7 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Maybe it’s time to design a Jean vest for the busty gal. All the under space would allow for bigger inside pockets!

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  • [+] 6 points 7 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    Well that’s lame. It shouldn’t cost a mint to look mint.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    In full seriousness, one of my green lights for a relationship is someone who values functional pockets in clothing and other practicalities.

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  • [+] 6 points 7 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    I’m sure you can find exceptions, but most purses, especially the more expensive ones, are just big voids with a shoulder strap (if even that). They’re designed to be fashion accessories.

    You can replicate the entire function of most purses with a plastic grocery bag.

    Practicality is something like a backpack or shoulder pack. Many pocket and compartments, designed for weather resistance, rugged and durable. And honestly, more fashionable than a lot of people realize. So many colors and designs to choose from.

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  • [+] 4 points 7 months ago* (3 children)
  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Ah, then I wasn’t clear enough.

    I meant that something like that would get mentioned without prompting in normal conversation. That such things are constantly on their mind.

    “You look really nice.”

    “Thanks, it’s hard to find good jeans in my size with actual pockets.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago

    I bought a skirt recently, it had two cute little front pockets. I was excited only to discover they were fake.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Believe it or not, this is (I shit you not) part of a wider conspiracy to sell more purses.

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    If that were true, why aren't men also victims?

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Men's pockets are for putting expensive wallets and keychains in

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    So? If Big Pant and Big Purse are really in cahoots, Big Pant would make men's pockets useless as well so that men's purses would be for putting expensive wallets and keychains in. Why would you leave half the population out of your scam, and the better paid half of the population at that?

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  • [+] 8 points 7 months ago (8 children)
  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (7 children)

    I was going to suggest hiking pants. Mine have more pockets than I know what to do with.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (6 children)

    So cargo pants? I catch grief from my wife and daughters if I wear those.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    Similar but not quite. Cargo pants are dorky but hiking pants are cool.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    A rose by any other name is still just a slightly different type of cargo pants.....

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (1 child)

    They are generally made from different materials. Cargo pants are heavy and trail pants are generally lighter and can be worn in the heat. They also dry much quicker. If you had to compare them to something you could claim they are closer to 80s parachute pants than the dork pants.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    Today when I emptied my pockets I had 3 zip lock sandwich bags, a roll of soft Velcro, a roll of scratchy Velcro, multiple hair bands, compression gloves, and miscellaneous paper trash I forgot to toss. They weren’t event half full. My kids have started copying me and walking around with their hands in their pockets which I do just because of the joy of having them. I wish all my pants were like my scrubs. Sigh.

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  • [–] 28 points 7 months ago* (45 children)

    Could it be because women keep buying them? I’ve never seen my mother wear pants without pockets, and when she bought a new jacket, the amount and placement of pockets was the first thing on her mind.

    Only now I realize the significance of that. But still. How hard is it to not buy pocketless apparel?

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  • [+] 31 points 7 months ago* (42 children)
  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago (39 children)

    You are a voice of reason in these comments!

    I get so tired of being told to go buy pants with pockets or buy men’s jeans, when that has nothing to do with the point. Women deserve pockets in our jeans. Period.

    One day, I’m going to go to a few stores with women’s jeans and count the ratio of how many have actual pockets. I already know it will be low. Buying jeans online comes with a whole other set of problems like fit, color, and style not being what’s show in pictures.

    Below are 2 pairs jeans I own, similar style and pricing, basic denim jeans. The one on the left, fits most of my hand. The one on the right, barely fits my lighter without worrying I’ll lose it. There is no reason the pathetic pockets on the right should even exist.


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  • [+] 5 points 7 months ago (8 children)
  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    Yep! I keep that picture around for when folks say women’s clothes can’t have pockets because it messes with “the lines” or that pockets don’t fit the style. That argument is perfectly fine for cute tighter dresses, but it’s dumb for things like jeans and regular skirts.

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    If you don’t like tiny pockets, then why did you buy pants with tiny pockets? I seriously don’t understand the logic.

    Men’s underpants come with flies and without flies. Those without are usually cheaper. If I want a fly, I buy those with a fly. I don’t buy underpants without a fly and then complain that I didn’t get a fly.

    I believe you that pants with big pockets are hard to find and that it’s effort to buy them. But that still doesn’t add any sense to buying pants with tiny pockets.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Because I bought them 20 years ago at a deep employee discount at a time when I needed pants and those were the pants available to me. Retail price of both were about the same, except the bigger pockets were purchased within the last 2 years. It’s not that they are hard to find, they can be impossible to find.

    If you had no options other than pants without a fly or digging through multiple stores to find the one style of pants that might have a fly but are the ugliest vomit color green and do not fit comfortably, you would complain too.

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago (25 children)

    I get so tired of being told to go buy pants with pockets or buy men’s jeans, when that has nothing to do with the point. Women deserve pockets in our jeans. Period.

    What you're saying is not just that you deserve pockets in your jeans, but that you deserve them in the style that you want, as easily found as other pairs. Which doesn't sound true to me. Who "deserves" a particular style?

    The reason trousers are sold with small pockets is because big pockets look different, especially when full of stuff, especially on tighter-fitting clothing. Do you want to make it harder for people who want those trousers to find suitable ones? Why do your preferences for practicality outweigh theirs for aesthetics?

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago* (8 children)

    lol man, I’m not talking about nice trousers, or dressy pants, or skin tight anything. I don’t want big pockets in my form fitting clothes. I don’t wear skin tight clothes all of the time. That picture are 2 pairs of non-tight bootcut jeans.

    I’m talking about basic, everyday, denim jeans that have that tiny useless pocket. Even wide leg jeans have that tiny useless pocket. The pockets in these jeans can’t even fit my driver’s license or credit card in them without worrying they will fall out. I don’t want to fit everything that’s in my purse in those pockets. I want to fit my ID, credit card, a bit of cash, and my pocket knife. I want to be able to grab those few things and run into the grocery store or bookstore without always lugging my purse around. That’s it.

    I’m a flare and bootcut jeans kind of gal. I want functional pockets in every day normal denim jeans. I want functional pockets in clothes that make sense.

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    Bootcut men's jeans: bootcut men's jeans

    Bootcut women's jeans: image

    I mean sure, you may mean you prefer looser jeans even than those pictured, but do you see how much tighter the woman's are than the man's? That's the current fashion. Even if you actually wear looser ones, the fact that the fashion is for tighter jeans means you might not be wearing the size the designer envisaged, and in any case, the designer imagines that the majority of people buying those jeans also own tight clothing, hence a purse, hence there's no point putting in a functional pocket.

    Yes, it's annoying when fashion doesn't cater to you, but it's still important to recognise that as what's going on.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    I’m so glad you used pictures of models that have been air brushed for fashion magazines to prove that women are wrong to complain about pockets.

    Here’s a real pair of jeans on a real human being. Jeans that I recently purchased at a popular fashion store.

    See those pockets? These aren’t even the ones I posted above, these pockets are twice as deep as those and I still barely fit all of my fingers. I cannot safely place my credit card and ID in those pockets without a big risk of losing them. That is why women are pissed about pockets.


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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    You are right that they are loose-fitting enough on to have functional pockets, but I think there's some more of my comment that still applies. How many women do you think are buying jeans that fit that loosely? A quick dredge through some photos (whether models or selfies) makes me pretty confident it's a minority.

    Your perspective seems to be that there is no reason not to make the pockets bigger, but there is, it's just a reason that affects people other than you.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    Your perspective seems to be that there is no reason not to make the pockets bigger, but there is, it's just a reason that affects people other than you

    No, my perspective is that the many non form fitting jeans that have space have no reason to have tiny useless pockets. Wide leg jeans have no reason to not have pockets. Any jeans that are not tight in the thighs have no good reason to not have bigger pockets.

    Edit: as I’ve stated in another comment

    So you’re a pedantic ass. Got it.

    I’m going to play in my garden. You should go read a book, maybe start with the one I posted above.

    Have a day

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    So, I got it right, with the caveat that you're not talking about all jeans?

    But jeans that are not tight on your thighs may be tight on someone else's. The bigger pockets on those jeans that benefit you will look worse on that person. Bigger pockets add a (small) cost - which is fine if it offers something of value. But to the many women who carry a bag by default, bigger pockets do not add value, only a cost, so you are also asking those to bear the cost.

    So those are the two reasons.

    Framing the complaint as, "I'm annoyed that jeans designed for women have useless pockets" leaves the space open for those reasons, those other people whose annoyance might also matter. The complaint in the original post, continued by you and others, would erase them.

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  • [+] 6 points 7 months ago (15 children)
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    You can desire whatever you want, and I can desire whatever I want. The only difference (assuming you are agreeing with the person I replied to) is that I don't go around telling people I deserve what I desire when it is hard to get. There are innumerable ways the world does not cater to my desires - some overlap with the ways it does not cater to yours, some do not.

    If your basic human rights are not being met, I'll come out for you, just as, I'm sure, you'd come out for me. But this is about fashion.

    Like, you know it's pretty easy to get longer skirts and dresses with pockets, right? If it were about pockets, you'd just wear the clothes with pockets.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago* (8 children)

    So if I want pockets, my only choices are dresses or skirts. Because women are not allowed to have choices. Because women are not allowed to have functional pockets in jeans. Because women are not allowed to have functional pockets in non form fitting clothing.

    Got it. Thank you, a man, for telling me, a woman, that I do not have other options and that I should just deal with it.

    I suggest you go read a book, try this one.


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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    You have the choice to:

    • Buy a skirt
    • Buy a dress
    • Buy sweatpants
    • Buy jeans from one of the retailers listed in this thread
    • Buy jeans with unusable pockets and alter them
    • Buy "men's" clothes
    • Carry a bag with you

    You have choices. You are unhappy with the choices available, but are instead saying you have none.

    If you complained "I am unhappy with these choices" instead of complaining, "I am not allowed to have choices" you would not get people replying about the other choices you do, in fact, have.

    You, a man

    No thank you.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)
    • Buy a skirt I don’t want to and shouldn’t have to wear a skirt all the time for pockets
    • Buy a dress see above
    • Buy sweatpants see above
    • Buy jeans from one of the retailers listed in this thread pictures don’t mean they actually have proper pockets and I don’t buy pants online because I need to try them on to make sure they fit my hips
    • Buy jeans with unusable pockets and alter them this is something I have done, but should be unnecessary for pants that are not form fitting
    • Buy "men's" clothes these don’t fit my hips and when I wear a belt, it bunches the waist and gets extremely uncomfortable
    • Carry a bag with you I do this, but I shouldn’t have to always carry a purse to have my ID on me

    I just want damn pockets in my non form fitting clothes. Why is that such a sin for a woman to complain about?

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    If you don't want the obvious replies, frame the complaint in a way that doesn't invite them. The original post is someone talking about the "right to have deeper jeans pockets" which invites the point that women already have options for deep jeans pockets.

    I'm not here telling you that all the choices you have are as good as the choice you wish you had.

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  • [+] 4 points 7 months ago (4 children)
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    There's a world of difference between a complaint that acknowledges the privilege of even being in a position to complain about fashion and one which mistakenly or dishonestly mischaracterises what is wrong as something more severe.

    Imagine if I complained I was thirsty all the time because the local shop stopped stocking coke, and that I deserved to have something to drink. Wouldn't you roll your eyes and tell me to drink water? Wouldn't you react differently if I said I was bummed because the shop ran out of coke and I just wanted some? Being honest/aware of what the actual issue is makes all the difference.

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  • [+] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    I haven't gone clothes shopping in about 15 years, and my pants pockets are fucking gone. Since yhen I've also started wearing skirts which don't have pockets at all.

    My solution? Belt of Pickets. molle pouches are excellent and can stack on each other. So when my boyfriend wants to go hiking, I can carry both our phones, a water bottle, can of stimulants, rum flask, umbrella, and more just in my pockets. It's great.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Went to a clothes shop in Tenerife.

    Unable to speak the lingo, the missus picked up a pair of jeans off a shelf.

    "Are these for men or women, I can't tell?"

    I put my hand in the pocket. It stopped about 2cm in.

    "These are women's jeans"

    Meanwhile, I can fit a full size Nintendo Switch in my cargo shorts pocket.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    I used to sometimes put enture 1,5L bottles into my pockets when I went to the store for a snack and I had no backpack. A candy bar or some crisps in one pocket. A huge bottle in the other. Sure a bit of the bottle was sticking out but like 85% fit inside the pocket

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    I wear an elaborate holster sort of purse on my left hip that wraps around my thigh and waist. Helps out a lot.

    I generally dress in fancy and insane outfits though.

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  • [+] 4 points 7 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    I cropped out the rest of the image, to focus on this.

    My whole aesthetic is to look like I fell out of a Final Fantasy sometimes.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Normal women: “I want bigger pockets.”

    You: “I need nineteen belts.”

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    I mean, I got three distinct styles.

    • Final Fantasy: lots of straps, unusual clothing cuts, grandiose and sweeping fashion ideas that look modern and are easy to travel with
    • Detroit Become Human: clean, simple clothes from about twenty years from now, futuristic and timeless all at once
    • Life is Strange: trying to blend in with normal people fashion, but doing it too hard, being too memorable?
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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    This is, in part, why I got back into sewing. I've yet to encounter a garment pattern with miserly pockets, and if I ever do, I'd just modify the pattern piece before cutting the fabric.

    Bonus: pants/shorts/skirts now fit both my waist and hips at the same time, I can choose the fabric (no more poly blends!) and also the colour and silhouette (so it matches my tastes, body type, and existing wardrobe, rather than just being "on trend").

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    I once read a post by an Etsy clothes-maker complaining that pants with pockets were her worst-selling items. Maybe that's why?

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    If you just bust through the bottom of the pocket, you technically have infinite pocket.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    The username ❤️ rust programmers unite!

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    I think there is a market gap ready to be filled right here

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    One of the main things my wife looks for in pants and clothing is real fucking pockets. Like that even pisses me off when they have that fake pocket stitched into clothing. Like what the actual fuck?

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  • I think it's a self sustaining thing. My pants don't have pockets, so I have a purse. Because I have a purse, I don't need to have large pocket, so I don't bother looking for pants with those.

    And it looks better without large pocket.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Because women still mostly buy jeans without pockets. There isn't a strong enough financial incentive for manufacturers to add pockets to womens jeans.

    If you want to change it then start buying jeans with pockets, easily available online.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)

    https://radianjeans.com/ By the pictures seems to be fitting a whole phone.

    https://www.amazon.com/womens-jeans-deep-front-pockets/s?k=womens+jeans+with+deep+front+pockets

    Of course it's questionable how deep each one is.

    https://www.gap.com/shop/jeans-for-women-with-front-pockets-0agz00a

    At least some seem to fit a whole hand.

    https://www.reviewed.com/style/features/womens-jeans-deep-functional-pockets

    Whole review pointing towards multiple brands with deep pockets.

    Or yeah in extreme case to make a point to manufactures. Starting to buy mens jeans en mass for a while, but as people aren't a hive mind. That's kinda harder to achieve.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago

    As someone who wore men's jeans and now wears women's... even women's jeans with pockets have ridiculously small pockets compared to men's. It's really not just a matter of choice, because a majority of the choices just don't exist.

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