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[–] 216 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I mean... Yeah. Trump caved in quicker than the titan submersible

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  • [–] 111 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    This whole debacle was a rousing success. The question is for whom. It wasn't a victory for the US citizens writ large. It wasn't a win for any NATO allies. It wasn't a win for the vast majority of the people in the world.

    There's a few people/groups we can assume did win:

    • The wealthy: they were given insider trading info and made billions
    • Iran's leadership: they have come out regionally stronger
    • Israel's government: they got to genocide more Lebanese, Palestinians, Syrians, and Gazans under the cover of a regional war.
    • The inside circle in the executive branch that weren't outright fired

    It's mostly an insider trading game at the expense of lives, money, and the US' sitting on the geopolitical stage. This is all part of the smash and grab stage of this presidency.

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Good analysis, agreed on all points.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Even the one about Iran's leadership. Like the top ones, the top contenders and generals who were all killed. Did they win.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago

    Good point, and yeah no, they were murdered.

    The state leadership did seem to have politically outmaneuvered the US and Israel, however. I think that was OP’s point. They definitely won the culture war and controlling the narrative…not hard considering they were not the aggressors.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Also, there was revolt or even an uprising at Tehran before the attack. This maimed any chances of getting a better popular organization. This attack on Iran saved the dictatorial regime.

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  • [–] 131 points 7 months ago (33 children)

    As part of the plan, the US has in principle agreed to lift all primary and secondary sanctions against Iran and to withdraw US combat forces from all bases in the region, the council said according to state media.

    Yeah… none of this will happen. I hate Trump and this illegal war is abhorrent. That said, if you take Iranian state media at face value I have a bridge to sell you.

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  • [–] 96 points 7 months ago (16 children)

    That is a huge issue today... American state media and Iran state media are basically guaranteed to be lying.

    If you add the complete capitulation of journalism in general, there is not a single source of information that can actually be trusted.

    I guess we MAY see what actually happened based on what reality displays

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  • [+] 40 points 7 months ago (15 children)
  • [–] 41 points 7 months ago (13 children)

    All they can do is say “this is what the two liars are saying, we don’t know what will happen”

    Not really... that is exactly what I meant about the capitulation of journalism. Sure they can say something like "Trump claims the sky is green; however, multiple observations, expert testimony and reality immediately confirms this claim to be false"... instead, they just quote the lie and move on.

    I get that they cannot really confirm everything, but they are not even trying anymore. There is no questioning, there is no challenge... they just echo what is posted on Tweets or whatever other garbage platform and call themselves journalists

    At the VERY LEAST, they should always add the disclaimer that no evidence was provided whenever parroting a known liar

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  • [+] 26 points 7 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Well I do not know where you are from but your journalists seem to have stayed professionals!

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  • [+] 10 points 7 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Time to learn Finnish it seems ahhahaha

    Thanks for the link, refreshing to see actual logic and plain discourse in display

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Vance and Trump's performances at the debates were the worst I"ve ever seen. By far.

    Vance crying about being fact checked.

    Trump saying he has concepts of plans and rambling on about immigrants eating people's pets.

    And then they were elected. The U.S. truly is a clown nation.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, none of that is at all possible, but I have to hand it to Iran saying it. They know Trump just makes shit up, so they made some shit up. Now the US can confirm, deny, or be silent. Confirm? Win. Deny? Nobody believes the US anymore. Silence is weakness and/or confirmation.

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago

    It's exactly a Trump negotiation tactic. Just state your wishlist as fact, let the other side sputter and deny, then call them names and walk all over them while they look weak and unreliable. Iran watched and learned.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    My thoughts exactly. There are multiple points in the plan that I just can’t see as being tenable long-term. The readiness the US accepted it sounds like a delay to either get the stock market back up or for those Marines to get across the ocean. I doubt the ceasefire makes it the full two weeks.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    The announcement must have came via ai Lego diss track. People seem pretty enamored with those

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    To a degree it's already happened. US forces retreated from a lot of bases when they started getting drone attacks. So they'd have to actively move back to the Iranian border regions.

    The sanctions and the rest will be a whole bigger thing that probably won't happen in full.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I have a bridge to sell you.

    I recognize that as some part of a saying indicating someone is gullible, but don't actually know the source. I know this is off-topic, but where does this come from?

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago*

    I love etymology, so I looked it up:

    In reference to George C. Parker, an infamous conman who successfully duped his victims into “buying” the Brooklyn Bridge.

    Per wikitionary

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  • [–] 51 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    No other nation on this planet could be harming America more than Donald Trump and the Republican party.

    They are traitors. Plain and simple. They are our enemy.

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  • [–] 41 points 7 months ago

    Ah, TACO Tuesday.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Failed business man surprisingly fails as president. What a surprise.

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  • [–] 24 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    i thought Iran cancelled this ceasefire and the Straits of Hormuz are closed again, because the shithead Israelis bombed and murdered more Lebanese.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Iran also gets to charge every tanker that goes through the Strait $2,000,000 (they'll split it with Oman, who has the other side of the Strait), in order to rebuild everything that got bombed, but I'm sure that toll will go on pretty much forever. So gas supplies may slowly start to recover, but prices won't. We're going to be paying higher prices for gas, energy, any goods that need to be moved, anything made of plastic, and anything that needs fertilizer to grow, for a long time.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    This was my first thought. It reminds me of the highway tolls in Illinois. They were originally announced to be temporary until they paid for the highways' construction themselves... in 1958. They discovered they like money and made them permanent.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    "United States to accept in principle its 10-point plan"

    The "in principle" is importent here. Saying Iran won at this point is like saying you got a good deal before you finish haggling the price. Plus one of the points relies on Israel stopping it's attacks on Lebanon. Unless the US is willing to force Israel to stop, I doubt they will. Israel says" the ceasfire dosn't apply to Lebanon".

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    Have you heard that the straight of Hormuz is closed again after the latest round of bombing again?

    They will get everything they want.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    This is the best possible outcome, and humiliating for the USA

    ... it's too good to be true, in my opinion

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    Went about as well as one would expect when a war is run by two massively-unqualified TV show hosts who paid smarter people to write their term papers.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago

    Something something art of the deal.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    My prediction is that it'll come out that the Trump Administration was negotiating with Ahmed Chalabi the whole time.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago

    Nobody won here

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Art of the deal

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    As much as Trump is the most stupid person alive, I don't believe any word of this. Of course every side claims total victory. It's pretty clear the US lost in the long run and this war was a total disaster, but what is claimed here will never happen.

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    What a loser.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Press X to doubt but this is just so believable...

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