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[–] 131 points 7 months ago (33 children)

As part of the plan, the US has in principle agreed to lift all primary and secondary sanctions against Iran and to withdraw US combat forces from all bases in the region, the council said according to state media.

Yeah… none of this will happen. I hate Trump and this illegal war is abhorrent. That said, if you take Iranian state media at face value I have a bridge to sell you.

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  • [–] 96 points 7 months ago (16 children)

    That is a huge issue today... American state media and Iran state media are basically guaranteed to be lying.

    If you add the complete capitulation of journalism in general, there is not a single source of information that can actually be trusted.

    I guess we MAY see what actually happened based on what reality displays

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  • [+] 40 points 7 months ago (15 children)
  • [–] 41 points 7 months ago (13 children)

    All they can do is say “this is what the two liars are saying, we don’t know what will happen”

    Not really... that is exactly what I meant about the capitulation of journalism. Sure they can say something like "Trump claims the sky is green; however, multiple observations, expert testimony and reality immediately confirms this claim to be false"... instead, they just quote the lie and move on.

    I get that they cannot really confirm everything, but they are not even trying anymore. There is no questioning, there is no challenge... they just echo what is posted on Tweets or whatever other garbage platform and call themselves journalists

    At the VERY LEAST, they should always add the disclaimer that no evidence was provided whenever parroting a known liar

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  • [+] 26 points 7 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Well I do not know where you are from but your journalists seem to have stayed professionals!

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  • [+] 10 points 7 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Time to learn Finnish it seems ahhahaha

    Thanks for the link, refreshing to see actual logic and plain discourse in display

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Vance and Trump's performances at the debates were the worst I"ve ever seen. By far.

    Vance crying about being fact checked.

    Trump saying he has concepts of plans and rambling on about immigrants eating people's pets.

    And then they were elected. The U.S. truly is a clown nation.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, none of that is at all possible, but I have to hand it to Iran saying it. They know Trump just makes shit up, so they made some shit up. Now the US can confirm, deny, or be silent. Confirm? Win. Deny? Nobody believes the US anymore. Silence is weakness and/or confirmation.

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago

    It's exactly a Trump negotiation tactic. Just state your wishlist as fact, let the other side sputter and deny, then call them names and walk all over them while they look weak and unreliable. Iran watched and learned.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    My thoughts exactly. There are multiple points in the plan that I just can’t see as being tenable long-term. The readiness the US accepted it sounds like a delay to either get the stock market back up or for those Marines to get across the ocean. I doubt the ceasefire makes it the full two weeks.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    The announcement must have came via ai Lego diss track. People seem pretty enamored with those

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    To a degree it's already happened. US forces retreated from a lot of bases when they started getting drone attacks. So they'd have to actively move back to the Iranian border regions.

    The sanctions and the rest will be a whole bigger thing that probably won't happen in full.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I have a bridge to sell you.

    I recognize that as some part of a saying indicating someone is gullible, but don't actually know the source. I know this is off-topic, but where does this come from?

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago*

    I love etymology, so I looked it up:

    In reference to George C. Parker, an infamous conman who successfully duped his victims into “buying” the Brooklyn Bridge.

    Per wikitionary

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