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[–] 92 points 7 months ago* (21 children)

I never understood why people claim to not have "faith" in Science. Science doesn't want anyone's faith. It wants facts, it wants proof, it wants repeatability.

Religion and Science should not be in conflict. Science gives us powerful tools to explain the Universe, but cannot explain what cannot be observed. If you believe in a higher power, there is plenty of room for that higher power to operate outside of what Science can tell us.

People who claim to not have "faith" in Science are just ignorant. Science will keep going, though, no matter what they believe.

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  • [–] 38 points 7 months ago

    Organized religion conditions people not to think but to view everything through the lens of their dogmas. Faith (unquestioned acceptance of prescribed believes) being nr 1. May never occur to them that the scientific method does not require said unquestioned acceptance.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Religion and science is in conflict because they're antithetical to each other.

    Science demands that all you "believe in", all your statements, derivations, conclusions, explanations, be based on fact - and if the supporting information changes, so do your statements/derivations/conclusions/explanations. Essentially, you write the book based on observations, and if the observed things change, so does the book.

    Religion is the other way around. All your observations, all your conclusions, etc., must bow to the book first. Anything that doesn't fit the book is the work of the devil, thus bad.

    There's no place for inconsistencies, for reiteration of the book (let alone rewriting - unless it's officially approved ofc), it is the ultimate source of truth, unchanging and ever-existing.

    Of course you then get denominations that consider the Bible not the word of God but the human-transcribed (thus faulty) version of the word, therefore are much more flexible on how things are interpreted, but that still doesn't allow science to co-exist with religion when the latter can be utilised to invalidate a fact-based system.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    "There's no place for inconsistencies, for reiteration of the book (let alone rewriting - unless it's officially approved ofc)"

    So who the fuck is the official source confirming that the NIV is as consistent as the NEB, KJV, the Dead Sea Scrolls and other versions of the Bible?

    Cause the different versions alone bring about a shit ton of inconsistencies.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    What I meant by that is that inconsistencies between reality and the book are not accepted.

    If the Bible says the sky is green, then it's green, and if it's blue, well, that's the work of the devil and shouldn't be. Regardless what scientific explanation there is.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    You are absolutely insane if you think religion is consistent and science isn't.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    See my other reply - by "inconsistencies" I meant between reality and scripture. Scripture always comes first in religion, even if reality is proving it wrong.

    See e.g. religious types claiming being gay is a sin and unnatural, because the Bible says so, meanwhile nature proves them wrong daily with homosexuality being actively observed in hundreds of species...

    This kind inconsistency is what I was referring to.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago*

    Religion and Science conflict because they make irreconcilably different claims about reality, and have fundamentally different epistemologies.

    They disagree as to what truth is and how it can be determined.

    Religious people who cannot find the 'faith' to 'believe' in Science are people who have been brainwashed into religious extremism, which shapes their entire worldview and acts as their default mode of understanding reality.

    These are people who would rather kill all the Scientists as heretics, as they have often done throughout history.

    Their answer would be that Science will not go on if they... destroy all non-religious education, throw the Scientists into jail, or just kill them.

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago (11 children)

    Science still requires faith of a sort.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    The Royal Society in London, a scientific institution since the 1600s, official motto is "On no one's word". One of the fundamental ideas of science is that everything should be reproducible. You literally don't need to take anything on faith.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    Presuming you have all the instruments you need, an unlimited budget and the time to repeat everyone’s studies, yes.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Only what you aren’t capable of reasoning on your own. I can’t reason astrophysics, so I take what astrophysicists say on faith. I can reason some physics, though, and I have to either accept that there’s a giant conspiracy with upper level physics, or that the people who study it know what they’re talking about. Each takes a kind of faith, but the latter requires much less.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Yes, although science requires some empirical measurements too, so unless that’s a gaschromatograph in your pocket and you’re not just happy to see me, quite a bit of faith is implicit in our understanding of the world. Deserved, but faith nonetheless.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I mean, I can get a gas chromatograph, then test it however many times I need to, to prove to myself that it’s accurate, then use it to test whatever I’m suspicious of. I don’t feel the need personally, but if a person wants to, they can. It’s honestly not even as expensive as I would have expected- plenty of options under €1000.

    And for more advanced science, the same applies- it would require a lot more faith to believe that everyone with more than two college chemistry classes is lying about the nature of the world than that they’re not.

    But yes, you need faith in either direction. Just a lot less of it if science is real.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Yep. Which is all I’m saying to several people’s apparent shock and horror.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    I didn’t downvote you, but I think it’s more that that’s true for everything. What if everyone in the world has conspired and I’m secretly the subject of the Truman show? It takes faith to believe that any of the news that I watch is real, and faith to believe that a car accident I pass on the highway wasn’t staged to get a reaction from me. Believing in that giant conspiracy would take orders of magnitude more faith than believing that huge numbers of unassociated people are not intentionally deceiving you though, so comparatively, you don’t need faith. Because faith is required for “knowing” literally anything other than that you exist, saying something requires no faith is obviously hyperbolic.

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  • [–] 58 points 7 months ago

    "and he will put to ruin those ruining the earth"

    • actual bible quote

    If they could read, they would be very upset

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  • [–] 41 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I wish global warming wasn't global.

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  • [–] 70 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Remember that time Jesus said fuck the planet, and also fuck your neighbor over? Peppridge Farm remembers

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  • [–] 32 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    “I sent two row boats and a helicopter for you…”

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  • [–] 28 points 7 months ago

    When she stands in her front lawn in Minnesota and waves her arms, waiting for Jebus to carry her to Washington (because aircraft=science=bad), we know who to follow.

    Our leaders are so fucking stupid.

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  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago

    Another drooler who doesn't understand what science is.

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  • [–] 39 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    This is the behavior why I think that religion should, and one day will be classified as a mental illness

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    The problem I've been realizing over the last few years is that while I have no need for religion myself, there are a lot of "if there wasn't a god, why doesn't everyone go around killing each other all the time" types out there. Things might be even worse if religion wasn't there to make those ones control themselves.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    there are a lot of “if there wasn’t a god, why doesn’t everyone go around killing each other all the time” types out there

    No there aren't. Where are you basing that claim on, besides christian pastors regurgitating that line over and over? No, religion does not exist to keep the psychopaths in check, religion exists as a tool for psychopaths to control the masses.

    Even if what you said is true (and to be clear: its not) then still, these fairytales to keep the psychopaths in check have caused countless millions of deaths in the history of humanity, not to mention the suffering, torture, all in the name of made up god #587234. Fuck that shit, give me science. If these psychopaths do show up, science at least will be able to eventually give a solution for that whereas religion just pretends its solved, just do not believe what your eyes and ears are telling you.

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago

    Fuck the Guardians Of Pedophiles.

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago

    Some people do be telling on themselves.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago

    Goddamn death cult

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    What the hell does Jesus have to do with climate change?

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    [–] 13 points 7 months ago

    A Minnesota Republican lawmaker has dismissed climate change concerns by declaring that her faith is in Jesus Christ rather than scientists. Rep Mary Franson, a long-serving member of the Minnesota House, made the comments during a committee hearing last week.

    Mary Franson is not fit to hold office and should be removed.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Do they realize that without the foundation of science, there aren't any advances in engineering? I'd love to see all MAGAs required to live like the Amish. Put your money where your mouth is.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    That's like saying "I'm putting all my money into crypto-currency".

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    Why don't you listen to the voices in my head, why don't you have voices in your head, why are you telling me to pay attention to results of experiments and recorded experiences instead of the voices inside the head of pre-print peoples?

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    Remember it's not just faith, it's the "right" faith. Tell them that their faith is in the Allah and watch them freak out.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago

    Religion is a cancer, and I'm so fucking tired of the apologetics from my fellow leftists on it.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    "Ignorance is bliss" People, not all but many, want religion because it teaches them all they have to do is believe and pray to a God and everything will be well. That even when things are bad, that they just need to roll with it because there is a plan that they are part of and they should not lose faith. That is all and it is simple. It also gives certain groups, genders, ethnicities power over others, which makes them feel special and entitled.

    When you start to give a person with this kind of faith facts and logic that is contrary to what they have been told it angers them because it scares them. It angers them because it tells them they aren't entitled and they cant keep on with their actions because there will be consequences. They like propaganda that says "all is well, dont listen to those scary fake facts." This comforts them.

    Those people want to stay feeling entitled, believing they are special, that their actions cause no harm, and stay in blissfull ignorance.

    Science is not faith based. It is empirical and truths can be observed and proven. Yes there are hypothesis yet to be proven, but they are based on facts that suggest they may be true. Religions simply require faith with no proof what you are believing in is true.

    Science will not dispell any spirtuality there is in the universe but it will eventually tear down most religions. We are very likely not the only living organisms in the universe, yet most religions depict Gods that resemble us. This is as bad as thinking the Earth is the center of the solar system, which is why it was considered blasphemous when the idea was first introduced that it was not.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    And how do you think Jesus would handle climate change from Heaven?

    Maybe...by encouraging human beings to solve the problem that humans created? The one thing she refuses to do?

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago

    The Parable of the Drowning Man

    A storm descends on a small town, and the downpour soon turns into a flood. As the waters rise, the local preacher kneels in prayer on the church porch, surrounded by water. By and by, one of the townsfolk comes up the street in a canoe.

    "Better get in, Preacher. The waters are rising fast".

    "No," says the preacher. "I have faith in the Lord. He will save me".

    Still the waters rise. Now the preacher is up on the balcony, wringing his hands in supplication, when another guy zips up in a motorboat.

    "Come on, Preacher. We need to get you out of here. The levee's gonna break any minute".

    Once again, the preacher is unmoved. "I shall remain. The Lord will see me through".

    After a while the levee breaks, and the flood rushes over the church until only the steeple remains above water. The preacher is up there, clinging to the cross, when a helicopter descends out of the clouds, and a state trooper calls down to him through a megaphone.

    "Grab the ladder, Preacher. This is your last chance".

    Once again, the preacher insists the Lord will deliver him.

    And, predictably, he drowns.

    A pious man, the preacher goes to heaven. After a while he gets an interview with God, and he asks the Almighty, "Lord, I had unwavering faith in you. Why didn't you deliver me from that flood?"

    God shakes his head. "What did you want from me? I sent you two boats and a helicopter!"

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Okay[^1], but did JC got animated again to tell you Climate Change is a hoax?

    [^1]: Not actually okay

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Another reason why the US is in rapid decline. Luckily now all the other nations in the world are hiring all the scientists. After 4 years of this regime and that whale fucker in charge of the department of health, there will be a completely different dogma to the real science.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Blind faith is a mental illness.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    You know that parable about the pastor on the church roof during a flood and ignoring all help because god would save him until he dies and god is like wtf did you turn away all my help...

    Works really well with climate change too and us ignoring all his help to help prevent the catastrophe it is/will cause.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Faith that those cheques from the oil industry will keep arriving.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    Sounds like these lawmakers should be forced to dismiss gravity concerns right until they can't.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    The good thing about science is that it doesn't require faith.

    This idiot should never be allowed a position of responsibility. He'll do what the voices in his head tell him to do, not what's proven to be effective.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    People like that should be disqualified from any position of power.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    Yeah let's believe the people who have been consistently wrong for millennia over the ones that have been provably right countless times.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    God is punishing us for burning oil. 😐

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago*

    Don't trust anyone who believes (non bird) dinosaurs and humans existed at the same time.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Ok if there is a sky daddy what do you think he's gonna do when he sees what you did to his creation.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    This is why I’m not just atheist, but antitheist. Allowing adults to retain childish beliefs in society leads to them making decisions based on obvious falsehoods that affect the rest of us. Religious people should be subject to disdainful ridicule in society, as they persist in childish beliefs to the detriment of the world.

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