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[–] 2 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Ummm, yeah. Even in cases of severe hydranencephaly, where as much as 90% of the brain is missing, the person is still conscious. They would obviously be severely disabled...but no less "alive". At the end of the day, using these people for organ harvesting or full body transplants would still be murder.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (4 children)

    can you give an example of what this 90% brain gone concious can do because my mom lost half of hers and could not do besides breathe.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    You can't "lose" that much brain matter and still be conscious, but if you're born that way, then the brain is capable of adapting to what's available. Don't get me wrong...it's still rare...but it surprisingly more common than you might assume.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    yeah but the thing is qol. I mean its hard to say with the rat study but are we talking about someone walking and talking and going to school and making a life of great quality. Or are we talking breathing and technically being alive. My thought is with my fathers alzheimers. For awhile he could walk around and enjoy food and sing or play a game. Eventually though he could only eat mush, be wheeled around, and could not make much understandable speech. At that point scoop my brain out and give my body to someone else as Im good to be gone.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    From what I've read in the past, the level of functionality ranges quite a bit from case to case, from basic sensory and cognitive awareness, all the way up to actual "walking and talking".

    The implication being that this process of growing bodies with just enough brain matter to keep them alive, would come with a significant risk of those bodies also being aware of themselves and their surroundings to varying degrees.

    Since there would be no way to guarantee they aren't conscious until after they are born, the end result would be mass producing human beings with a range of potential cognitive disabilities, that can no longer be used "humanely" for their intended purpose. Their options at that point would be to either provide long-term care for them, or euthanize them...which wouldn't exactly be "humane".

    Or they could just lobotomize them all, after the fact...which would definitely not be very "humane" either.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    I mean more that likely it would just not be possible. So i think I get where you are going. I mean I also view it as not only something we can't do now but possibly would never be able to do. I can see growing organs and who knows maybe you could have a body with the brainstem connected to electronics. I mean even then its so scifi its redic. I think I agree with another commentator that we are more likely to treat the way the body fails with like gene therapy or nanobots or such. Still way sci fi but If that was a thing in 20 years I would not be totally surprised whereas growing a body without a brain. likely not.

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    [–] 28 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    No thanks. Only the worst people / least deserving to live forever would be able to afford this.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    The same goes for any longevity therapy. The billionaire-backed company that develops it first will spend any further amount to keep it to themselves and control it. Imagine owning the only fountain of youth, what favors could you buy with it? Who could you keep loyal? It won't be expensive, it will be impossible to get without kissing the ring, and it will be taken away if you step out of line.

    Whoever controls the fountain of youth controls the world. Literally, the entire world.

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  • [–] 22 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Clone your body and put your brain into it? No.

    Make a better body and put your brain into it 👍

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    My new body needs fur. And a tail. And a muzzle. And pointy ears. And a massive cock.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    It's too silly to be slop. Or should I have bought a great big canvas, paints, and got to work for several days making a masterpiece in order to convey this joke about a furry man with a huge cock?

    ...only for no one to see it because it took too long.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Hello to the plot of Old Man's War

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I'm already surrounded by brainless human clones.

    I wish somebody would put a brain in them, they can already vote...

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    we have enough republicans thank you very much.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    Interesting idea, but you'd have to solve the whole brain still going through the process of senescence problem. Essentially the brain is still deteriorating at the same rate and eventually dies from old age even if the body continues to sustain it. And of course, you'd have to figure out how to safely "hook up" the brain.

    SciFi can be interesting, but the pursuit of immortality or even extensive longevity always seemed to me like a very very bad idea to me. I like living, I don't like living enough to want to do it forever.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Best way to become biologically immortal is probably to solve aging directly in your own body via some sort of whole body viral gene therapy.

    Then your still mortal and can be killed so you can chose when to go.

    My person preference for immortality would be some sort of live un-interupted transition from a human brain to a computationally simulated one. Only if I personally own my own infrastructure though. That way I can ensure I don't get manipulated. Then probably copy my conscious 100x over and spread over geographically. Maybe keep a copy in a extra solar satellite or something.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    My person preference for immortality would be some sort of live un-interupted transition from a human brain to a computationally simulated one.

    Allow me to turn you off of that idea permanently lol:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE49pA_eDX0

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    I mean as far as startups go its about on par making one about creating replicators but senescence is actually a good thing and we do keep on making cells. With everything else being young and healthy its possible the blood and organs will clean out detrious (like senescent cell) and allow for better creation of new cells. Im not saying it would last forever but it could possibly go much longer.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

    SciFi can be interesting, but the pursuit of immortality or even extensive longevity always seemed to me like a very very bad idea to me. I like living, I don’t like living enough to want to do it forever.

    Myself, I always saw the point of the pursuit of immortality to not actually be immortality, but letting you choose when you're truly done with the world rather than dying of some arbitrary cause out of your control.

    Some might decide they're done at 70 years, some at 700. The societal changes needed to make it work would be immense, but wresting control of your death date from luck and nature into your own hands seems a worthy enough goal to me.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Our 70 year old politicians are pretty detached from their constituents and society. I'm a bit scared to imagine a 700 year old politician

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    One would hope by the time a conversation on human immortality becomes relevant, society will have found a way to limit the damage such a person could do.

    Wishful thinking I suppose.

    I’m a bit scared to imagine a 700 year old politician

    I imagine it'd look a lot like the groups that have been pushing the same issues for a long time - i.e American evangelicals trying to work God into the constitution for the past two centuries.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    I think a big thing is getting a society that is equitable and regenerative. Not dying would be kinda great for a long time in a star trek type of universe but in a drill abay drill while we kil off the fertility of the world and some men are worth a million times the average man and some have nothing. That world is hard to want to live in.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    The only people wanting to live forever are those that don't deserve it.

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    This some grim dark shit.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Bury my brain in the ground and cast my flesh into the sea.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Billionaires know Hell awaits them, and will do literally anything to delay it instead of repent, atone, and repair.

    You're not fooling anyone 😈

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    future might need demon hunters

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    Many pearls will be clutched, but it's not more gruesome then modern medicine already is, really.

    Presumably a brainless human will still take decades to mature, though.

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    (As yet, there’s no proven method to rejoin a severed spinal cord.)
    [...]
    But since making his investment, Wang says, he’s become less bullish. He now views whole-body transplant as “very infeasible, not even very scientific” and “far away from hope for any realistic application.”

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    The meatbody, ready for roboticizing.

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    [–] 10 points 7 months ago

    That "Torment Nexus" joke is getting better every time.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Literally the plot for The Island.

    Spoiler alert: it didn't work.

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