That "Torment Nexus" joke is getting better every time.
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Literally the plot for The Island.
Spoiler alert: it didn't work.
No thanks. Only the worst people / least deserving to live forever would be able to afford this.
Clone your body and put your brain into it? No.
Make a better body and put your brain into it 👍
My new body needs fur. And a tail. And a muzzle. And pointy ears. And a massive cock.
It's too silly to be slop. Or should I have bought a great big canvas, paints, and got to work for several days making a masterpiece in order to convey this joke about a furry man with a huge cock?
...only for no one to see it because it took too long.
Can we also make benevolent, super intelligent machine minds to put in spaceships with silly names?
Hello to the plot of Old Man's War
Altered Carbon
House of the Scorpion
So.. you ARE saying we should build the Torment Nexus?
I'm already surrounded by brainless human clones.
I wish somebody would put a brain in them, they can already vote...
Interesting idea, but you'd have to solve the whole brain still going through the process of senescence problem. Essentially the brain is still deteriorating at the same rate and eventually dies from old age even if the body continues to sustain it. And of course, you'd have to figure out how to safely "hook up" the brain.
SciFi can be interesting, but the pursuit of immortality or even extensive longevity always seemed to me like a very very bad idea to me. I like living, I don't like living enough to want to do it forever.
Best way to become biologically immortal is probably to solve aging directly in your own body via some sort of whole body viral gene therapy.
Then your still mortal and can be killed so you can chose when to go.
My person preference for immortality would be some sort of live un-interupted transition from a human brain to a computationally simulated one. Only if I personally own my own infrastructure though. That way I can ensure I don't get manipulated. Then probably copy my conscious 100x over and spread over geographically. Maybe keep a copy in a extra solar satellite or something.
My person preference for immortality would be some sort of live un-interupted transition from a human brain to a computationally simulated one.
Allow me to turn you off of that idea permanently lol:
I mean as far as startups go its about on par making one about creating replicators but senescence is actually a good thing and we do keep on making cells. With everything else being young and healthy its possible the blood and organs will clean out detrious (like senescent cell) and allow for better creation of new cells. Im not saying it would last forever but it could possibly go much longer.
SciFi can be interesting, but the pursuit of immortality or even extensive longevity always seemed to me like a very very bad idea to me. I like living, I don’t like living enough to want to do it forever.
Myself, I always saw the point of the pursuit of immortality to not actually be immortality, but letting you choose when you're truly done with the world rather than dying of some arbitrary cause out of your control.
Some might decide they're done at 70 years, some at 700. The societal changes needed to make it work would be immense, but wresting control of your death date from luck and nature into your own hands seems a worthy enough goal to me.
Our 70 year old politicians are pretty detached from their constituents and society. I'm a bit scared to imagine a 700 year old politician
One would hope by the time a conversation on human immortality becomes relevant, society will have found a way to limit the damage such a person could do.
Wishful thinking I suppose.
I’m a bit scared to imagine a 700 year old politician
I imagine it'd look a lot like the groups that have been pushing the same issues for a long time - i.e American evangelicals trying to work God into the constitution for the past two centuries.
On the other hand, if they had to face living to see the consequences of their actions they would have some motive to not shit everything up.
I think a big thing is getting a society that is equitable and regenerative. Not dying would be kinda great for a long time in a star trek type of universe but in a drill abay drill while we kil off the fertility of the world and some men are worth a million times the average man and some have nothing. That world is hard to want to live in.
Billionaires know Hell awaits them, and will do literally anything to delay it instead of repent, atone, and repair.
You're not fooling anyone 😈
Many pearls will be clutched, but it's not more gruesome then modern medicine already is, really.
Presumably a brainless human will still take decades to mature, though.
Ummm, yeah. Even in cases of severe hydranencephaly, where as much as 90% of the brain is missing, the person is still conscious. They would obviously be severely disabled...but no less "alive". At the end of the day, using these people for organ harvesting or full body transplants would still be murder.
We just need organ pets. A dog that keeps your spare kidney alive. Harvesting it doesn’t kill it. You’ll take damn good care of that pet.
I feel like I’m pitching a Cronenberg movie.
can you give an example of what this 90% brain gone concious can do because my mom lost half of hers and could not do besides breathe.
You can't "lose" that much brain matter and still be conscious, but if you're born that way, then the brain is capable of adapting to what's available. Don't get me wrong...it's still rare...but it surprisingly more common than you might assume.
yeah but the thing is qol. I mean its hard to say with the rat study but are we talking about someone walking and talking and going to school and making a life of great quality. Or are we talking breathing and technically being alive. My thought is with my fathers alzheimers. For awhile he could walk around and enjoy food and sing or play a game. Eventually though he could only eat mush, be wheeled around, and could not make much understandable speech. At that point scoop my brain out and give my body to someone else as Im good to be gone.
From what I've read in the past, the level of functionality ranges quite a bit from case to case, from basic sensory and cognitive awareness, all the way up to actual "walking and talking".
The implication being that this process of growing bodies with just enough brain matter to keep them alive, would come with a significant risk of those bodies also being aware of themselves and their surroundings to varying degrees.
Since there would be no way to guarantee they aren't conscious until after they are born, the end result would be mass producing human beings with a range of potential cognitive disabilities, that can no longer be used "humanely" for their intended purpose. Their options at that point would be to either provide long-term care for them, or euthanize them...which wouldn't exactly be "humane".
Or they could just lobotomize them all, after the fact...which would definitely not be very "humane" either.
I mean more that likely it would just not be possible. So i think I get where you are going. I mean I also view it as not only something we can't do now but possibly would never be able to do. I can see growing organs and who knows maybe you could have a body with the brainstem connected to electronics. I mean even then its so scifi its redic. I think I agree with another commentator that we are more likely to treat the way the body fails with like gene therapy or nanobots or such. Still way sci fi but If that was a thing in 20 years I would not be totally surprised whereas growing a body without a brain. likely not.
(As yet, there’s no proven method to rejoin a severed spinal cord.)
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But since making his investment, Wang says, he’s become less bullish. He now views whole-body transplant as “very infeasible, not even very scientific” and “far away from hope for any realistic application.”

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