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[–] 187 points 7 months ago (12 children)

No clear reason? It's because the thing can successfully make more of itself before dying. That's literally it.

See also: ticks

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  • [–] 48 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    No animal has reason to exist.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    As an animal myself, I'd like to object.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    Okay, we’re listening. First establish some framework of “reasons to exist” so we understand what that even means, and then tell us yours. Centuries of philosophy haven’t gotten past the first step and you probably won’t either, but I won’t stop you from trying. Okay, go.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Maybe i dont wanna share mt reasons ;((((

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Okay but you could still do step 1 without revealing anything personal. Tell us: what even is a “reason to exist?”

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  • [+] 80 points 7 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    I also find that to be a weird question to consider, as though something must have a purpose to be worthy of existence

    In that vein, what is the point of humans? To bring on the 6th mass extinction?

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    a fanciful answer i heard was that "humans are how the universe perceives itself," and a person could be forgiven for thinking that the point of humans is to do science. closer to the ground, the point of humans seems to be to alter our surroundings to suit our society: kind of like ants. we build, we live, we reproduce, we spread. it's not a good thing or a bad thing, it just is what it is.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    utility has several virtues, but i agree that it's not the end-all/be-all. strictly speaking the "point" of any living thing is to pass it's genes by reproduction, but in a complex and evolving world there are lots of animals that have a "point" in existing. oysters filter water, worms enrich soil, birds spread seeds, bees pollinate flowers, there are primary decomposers and secondary decomposers and tertiary decomposers and some birds build nests in trees and squirrels hide nuts and, you get the picture?

    then there are other animals that we have changed for their utility. cows, pigs, chickens, and sheep are delicious and they would not make up such a share of modern biomass if we didn't industrialize their slaughter. in some cases the point of an animal is that we're gonna eat it.

    if you're an emotion-forward person you might think "oh, no, that's terrible!" and you're allowed to feel that way but usually things are the way they are for a bunch of reasons. feelings are great but food security is better. utility also has a role to play in conservation: we're having a great time with industry but if the earth suffers catastrophic ecological collapse, the whole party stops.

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  • [–] 73 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Has no organs

    Looks inside...

    ...organs.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 51 points 7 months ago* (12 children)

    It truly has one hole, in that it eats, has a digestive sack, and then vomits the poop

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenoturbella

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    If the hole doesn't go through, it is only a pocket, typographically identical to a plate.

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago* (5 children)

    *topologically

    (Typography is text font stuff)

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    As in "topographically", which specifically refers to land surfaces?

    Edit: For the record, each of the following refers to a completely different thing:

    • Typography: fonts & stuff
    • Topography: land surfaces
    • Typology: classification
    • Topology: mathematics of objects and their geometric and morphological properties
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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Why is the digestive sack not an organ?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Organs are a distinct structure made of multiple tissues. So if this thing is just a few layers of tissue, then you can make the argument that the whole creature is essentially a single-organ organism.

    Truth be told, I suspect there is a certain amount of hyperbole in the infographic.

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  • [–] 44 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Exist for no reason? All life has a purpose, and that is to poop. The excrement speaks for itself.

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    [–] 38 points 7 months ago

    "existing for no clear reason"

    So like every other life form we know of?

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago*

    I don't think any natural thing exists for a reason. That's reserved for things made or at least caused by sentient beings.

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  • [–] 91 points 7 months ago (21 children)

    exists for no clear reason

    Sounds like Humans

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  • [–] 54 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Sounds like everything, if you're leaning nihilist.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (16 children)

    It also only has one hole, which, if you ask some topologists, is what humans have.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (12 children)

    I thought most humans are 7 holes

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    Mouth, Anus, Nasal Passages (2), Occular passages (2), Aural passages (2) = 8. -1 for topology reasons (one "hole" is a divot, not a tube, and a divot is topologically equivalent to a smooth surface) = 7.

    Math checks out. (EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egEraZP9yXQ )

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I would post the human floss video. But it seems to be lost media. It was of a guy who got extra strength floss, tied it to one of his teeth, and one end to a pen lid... Swallowed the entire roll. Found the lid days later, and then pulled it back and forth, to floss himself. The video would be +10 years old.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Seems dangerous. There are sections where you wouldn't want the floss pulled taut, and certainly not the whole thing.

    I wonder if it was just a magic / fx video; at least the "to floss himself" bit.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (7 children)

    Well, there's the one obvious one - mouth through to the anus, there may be more openings to that hole, but I don't believe any of them go all the way through.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    That changes the topology though. It does go all the way through a section which prevents it from reshaping into a straw/donut

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    Yes. I'm afraid I'm not a real topologist, so we're at their mercy. Let us pray they don't come up with new holes.

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    They go through the same hole as the mouth in the end, though. At least a part of them...

    I think I said in another comment that I'm not an actual expert on this matter. So there may well be more holes in this theory, and person.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    They go through the same hole as the mouth in the end, though.

    Yes, but they're distinct openings, which means we're not topologically equivalent to a doughnut when you take them into account. Topological equivalence implies that you can transform one object into another without changing the number of openings. Classic example is a doughnut and a coffee mug (the handle of a coffee mug is the opening). A human would be equivalent to a doughnut with two holes poked through the side into the middle.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago

    It's the roomba of the sea

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago

    So from the wiki

    The monophyly of Xenacoelomorpha soon became established, but its position as either a basal bilaterian clade or a deuterostome remained unresolved until 2016, when two new studies, with increased gene and taxon sampling, again placed Xenoturbella as the sister group of Acoelomorpha within Xenacoelomorpha, and placed Xenacoelomorpha as sister to Nephrozoa (Protostomia plus Deuterostomia), and therefore the basalmost bilaterian phylum<

    Seems like "where on the tree of life" is "the first bilaterals" which makes sense. They seem very worm-like in bodyplan. Shit from the Pre-Cambrian can look pretty alien and have shaky relationships to more derived species.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago

    The universe is a chain of cause and effect, and the only way to interpret "a reason" for something without introducing artificial human constructs of morality, is "what caused it?". The process of evolution caused this.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    Bit of clarification: Xenacoelomorpha is the phylum that the genus Xenoturbella is under.

    Someone left a tag at the top of the Xenacoelomorpha article advocating a rewrite, which I could probably quickly investigate (or even just check WoRMS) if I weren't currently a lazy lump of dead weight. Without assessing the tag's merits, I'd at least advise treading lightly as a heuristic.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    It looks like they do get new openings on the surface that excrete eggs and sperm.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Imagine scientists declaring that you are not interesting enough to be technically alive and you have been officially kicked out.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago*

    It eats.

    It is thus the primordial consumer.

    ... kinda does bare a resemblance to what AM turns Ted into...

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    If it has at least one hole, then it exists for a reason. ;)

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    You found a MAGA voter

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    it doesn't even have a hole in the sense that it's for an entrance and exit as a single hole through.

    it's literally just a cavity, like a trench

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Sounds like the pinnacle of evolution.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    recently the phylogenetic studies place this with another unusual bilaterian animal( very basal animals(Post-sponge creatures), they couldnt figure out which things this is related to.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Ah, found reddit mods!

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