No work is getting done there. They’re pretending it does.
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If I’m ever envious of someone doing work in places where they should be relaxing, please kill me.
You must be someone who hates working from home, because home is the place where we should all feel relaxed, right? What about working in the garden? The garden is certainly a relaxation spot, but god forbid you get some rays of sunshine while you work.
I understand the desire to pity people who work at the beach. But then again, I pity anyone who ended up living near Silicon Valley. Think of all the money though!
That’s one extreme way to take the comment, I guess. I worked from home for a while and I think these return to office orders are stupid as hell, largely because going to the office needs unpaid commuting time, annoyances related to needing to bring a lunch, and it takes away your ability to do small chores and stuff during the work day that might be often impossible during the evening for one reason or another.
Look, if you want to work at the beach or whatever then go for it, but the idea that California is the “envy of nations” because people can do labour at a beach is insanity.
Not if you’re using a macbook…
What does that have to do with seeing the screen outdoors, and tension headaches?
they got e-ink screens now?
Laptops and screens can be pretty efficient. I got a pretty cheap run of the mill one (Arch btw) that easily does >8 hours at full blast HDR and no power saving.
What does an eink screen have to do with anything? I work outside in a hammock during the summer on my mac and never have to bring it in to charge once, unless I forgot to the day before. That’s with running heavy applications like Jetbrains IDEs or Lightroom.
lol macs have the glossiest screens out there, almost like they make it a mirror on purpose
Toshiba used to sell a laptop (IIRC the model name was R500) back in like 2008 that had a mirror behind the screen, meaning that bright sunlight would be reflected back through the LCD and always respond to external lighting conditions no matter how bright. The image quality and color was shitty, but you could use it in the sun. Battery time was also extremely impressive.
The same thing would work with e-ink. It works fine in super bright sunlight. Unfortunately since it physically spins little balls with electromagnets the refresh rate is very slow compared to conventional screens.
interesting. most modern lcds have a shiny reflective layer behind the backlight for this reason, I wonder if they're all modeled after toshibas design
Even just being in public. I tried it for one day at Panera while I was writing a professional review. People kept coming up to talk to me, I couldn’t tune the noise out, and I was uncomfortable in their wood chairs.
I’m convinced those suits in Starbucks are just trawling for chicks.
People kept coming up to talk to me [at Panera]
This is just...unimaginable to me. Who goes up to strangers at a chain restaurant? Especially one who is clearly busy? Unless you mean employees, which would be a bit more understandable, though still weird.
It was a lot of old people just being social on a Tuesday. I didn’t mind that so much, reasonably sane old people should be cherished. My brain just isn’t wired for distractions.
Over-ear headphones help with this. Then you can just ignore them and pretend you can't hear.
(My neurospicy is showing...)
I go traveling with the sales guys sometimes, and we had Starbucks in between meetings so that we can sit down and do email for an hour and then go to the next meeting. I wouldn't want to sit there all day.
I work from home and I never get to the point where I want to go out in public and do work. I do get to the point where I want to go on public, but I take a walk and get some sun and I don't bring my laptop.
How do you even read the screen in broad daylight?
I work outside all the time. It’s great. Use my laptop on the screened in porch. In the shade. Ceiling fan on. Maybe in the hammock. Doing whatever I want on the laptop while jiggler keeps my work laptop active in another room.
For those who can't install much on their work laptop: just open notepad and put a weight on the space bar
Bonus point: you can see how long you've been away by looking at the character count, and try to beat high scores on slow days
I love sitting in my hammock or on a zero-gravity chair with my laptop on work days I don't need 2 monitors.
Being on your laptop
outsideis a miserable experience
ftfy
As a lifelong desktop PC user, laptops just feel claustrophobic 😅 Especially sucks without a mouse, fuck the trackpad.
I think it's an excellent compromise for being a portable PC. If I'm going to university, to a study space or a lecture, a laptop is freaking fantastic.
Also all laptops universally have one killer feature that nearly no desktop PC has: a built-in UPS. If power goes out, the laptop just keeps chugging along on battery power, giving you an extra few hours of work.
It's not my workstation of choice by any means, but I wouldn't call it miserable. It's fine.
Bro, people today prefer trackpad. Its fucking mindblowing. Ive met several IRL people that love trackpads and don't own a mouse.
I almost guarantee I'm 10x faster at anything on a PC than them
I have fond memories of my Macbook Pro's touchpad. That was over a decade ago, I still haven't found a comparable experience.
Genuinely, Mac's track pads are amazing. Which is hilarious because their mouses are so bad. I don't know how they messed up a mouse so much while mastering the track pad so well.
Framework laptop 13 feels pretty close
I prefer a trackpad while I work, and the reason is simple: Much less movement to switch from trackpad to keyboard than from mouse to keyboard. And much easier to land on the key you want without looking.
And I very much doubt you'd be faster than me with a mouse!
Trackpads give me handcramps very fast. Also if Trackpads were faster, gamers would use them.
A gamer does not need to switch from the mouse to the keyboard repeatedly. Plus, a gamer cares about precision, which obviously a trackpad lacks.
"Faster" standalone means nothing. Can you move the pointer faster with a mouse? Of course. But I don't see most people flicking on their workstation.
In the context of this thread, "faster" refers to completing your tasks faster. And for that a trackpad beats a mouse if your job requires you to type a lot.
The point of trackpads (and even more so of trackpoints) is that they're faster to get to from typing position - you move your hand back a bit (or even just the index finger) instead of moving across the whole keyboard. That's not something that would go high on the checklist when gaming - it's usually one hand planted on WASD, the other on the mouse and hardly any going back and forth.
You're assuming these people are doing something useful, they could be dealing with Microslop licensing as their full time job. Which is definitely a full time job, its just not useful work in the broader sense.
I've stopped caring about being fast. In fact I'm certain my current setup is slower, more comfortable, and funner than any I've enjoyed before.
If you feel good and you're enjoying your setup then that's what matters.
Yes totally . i can see trackpad bring good if you have some wrist issues. I do have wrist issues but a trackpad makes it worse for me
I don't own a mouse. I like the trackpad because I'm left handed and a mouse always felt weird to me left handed because schools in the 90s forced me to use it right handed.
So, uhh, are you good and comfortable at using the mouse with your right hand? If so you have no reason to use your left. I have a left-handed friend who has always exclusivity used his right for the mouse. Ain't no law saying your mouse hand must be your writing hand. Not to mention the benefits: it's the default setting on any system, and there are lots of great quality asymmetric mouses that only fit the right hand.
I'm not trying to change you, by all means if you like the trackpad more power to you. Just curious why you'd try to mouse with your left if you've already learned to use it with your right.
I work on industrial production lines. I've gotten used enough to laptops that I don't mind too much.
Work from home on my 34" curved screen + 27" flat is amazing tho.
I use a tiling window manager and copious number of workspaces. It helps with the feeling of claustrophobia if anything can be easily full-screened and swapped around easily.
A 64" monitor with floating windows now feels clunky to me compared to a 15" screen with tiling set up like I like it
Curved screens look appealing (I imagine also good for gaming), but I don't think I'd want to try them for work as a graphic designer. I need straight lines to look straight :)
But my laptop doesn't have a PS/2 port :(
Amazingly, there is this nifty thing called a “port” that allows a mouse to be plugged into a laptop. It is pretty incredible technology. /s
Yes, I meant that it's even worse when there's no mouse plugged in, but I guess my phrasing wasn't clear :)
Well, these guys aren't working, as far as I'm concerned, if they can do it without bringing out a mouse and real keyboard and probably a second monitor. (My laptop bag is pretty heavy.) They can at best be checking emails.
Agreed.
If you can do your work on a 13" laptop with no mouse or external monitor without your productivity dropping off a cliff, you were never productive to begin with.
I disagree on the external monitor, not everyone need one or they are just used to using it, also how the OS is scaled matter too
I can't work on a big screen. I'm thriving on my laptop with my 3x3 virtual desktop grid, though.
For real, not having the mouse slows you down big time, even though I'm more or less skilled at keyboard shortcuts
I have a monstrous satellite l300 i use for light spec work and arduino programming. 17" screen. It does not feel claustrophobic in the slightest, unlike my latest gen dell work machine with a screen smaller than my first fucking 486 i need glasses to even see. where did we go so wrong.
I do most things on my laptop mouseless, or that is, trackpadless. It's the best feeling ever. I seriously recommend it to anyone.
Behold! E-paper laptops! You can read them outside!
I recently discovered this thing called books that also works great outside. And it’s a lot more fun than laptop work!
But isn't that expensive since each page is pay per? Pay per page! That's gonna rack up some dough. Although I did go to goodwill today and they had some really inexpensive Wikipedia/website-like things on their shelves. I picked one up from the cooking isle and it had lots of pictures and text on pay per. But it was cheap like 5 bucks.
This is like the idea of having sex on the beach. Who really wants that. You didn't think it through if you want that. Do you really want to invite sand and salmonella to the mix?
Full sun and sunglasses? There's no way the guy on the left can see shit on his screen.
The bit about people bringing their laptops to the beach smells like RTO propaganda

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