the US was no shining beacon of democracy even before Trump

he didnt create that corrupt system, hes just taking advantage of it..

actually he and the other pedo billionaires did help to create the corrupt system who am I kidding?

I think the people of the UK should take a long, hard look at how the situation has evolved in the US and decide if they want to change their system to avoid having only two parties dominate the political climate.

There are currently 5 parties vying for position here, but your point is still generally true. Hopefully with the rise of smaller parties, we might start to see a move towards a more proportional system, but I'm not holding my breath.

the poeple in charge had some common decency.

The people in charge were scared of the public a little bit. It was not their decency that was stopping them, it was the danger of losing next elections if they took it too far. Bush attacked Iraq and he didn't lie about the WMDs out of decency. He lied to cover his ass. Lindsey Graham was the same guy he is now back then. He didn't lose his decency along the way. He realized he can be himself and people will still vote for him.

Let’s talk about what this really means, though. Why would that happen?

Could it be anything like:

• Because power is a fickle structure by nature and therefore democracy is an unstable system?
• Because technology advanced so fast that it yields control to whomever sits at its forefront?
• Because society chose not to make theoretical laws for technology that had yet been invented?
• Because (e.g., Russian) state propaganda was allowed to become so powerful that it actually destabilized global democracy?
• Because we were naïvely assuming we had a stable democracy, when in fact we never really did — it just hadn’t been under enough stress to show its flaws?
• Because institutional capitalism with monarch style governance is an economic system that necessarily leads to authoritarianism?
• Because the libertarian value tolerance of debate is an ill founded ideology, and we actually need more intolerance (e.g., limitations on free speech)?
• Because social media is not respected by the masses as the enormous medium of control that it wound up being in actuality?
• …

What’s the next big realization here for mankind?

It's not just younger ones. I talk to a large group of boomers and they are all in the same boat of "everything is fine, we'll just vote the next election. We've had presidents like this before."

We need a second hippie revolution. And I don't mean the half-assed underground "comebacks" from the late 90s and 2010s, a real movement that actually influences policy.

As far as I'm concerned, everyone who is a billionaire has to prove they had nothing to do with Epstein or pedophilia in general.

not a few on the left,

Nah, was a lot actually. I know a lot of people that were really upset after the election and after the first few months. Then it stopped being a problem. "You're overreacting." "Don't think about it." "We'll be fine next election."

lecturing us

Also about not understanding the law system, that it takes time and Trump was done. Really condescending shit. I noticed just before I got permabanned from Reddit that they were disappearing or gone.

I think they're just gonna kill him. Leaving him alive risks the chance of him sending whatever is left of MAGA after them. It also risks splitting their support base.

He’s an obese octogenarian. He’s already on borrowed time.

Yep, they will prop his rotting corpse up as long as they can, the plan is to having him be the wrecking ball, take all the blame, but by then the fixes are all in for the next one in line.

Not sure if they will foist vance on us, I don't think they believe he can be the front of a cult but by they maybe the power will be consolidated enough that they don't care since he's just a puppet.

Ah yes, President Couch Fucker

No way he has 10 years in him. Motherfucker is mentally gone as is. Weekend at Bernie's.

He could die tomorrow. Pandora's Box is already open.

For the remainder of our lives we will see copycat politicians who strip more and more of our rights away when they gain power because they all watched and saw and know they can do what Trump did and more without suffering repercussions.

America put up a big sign letting them all know we are too weak to make them pay. They will take advantage. Why wouldn't they?

many countrys and similar groups brake down solely due to corruption of the systems that got the country to where it was in the first place. many think about building the country but forget to set things in places to preserve the country their after. anti corruption laws need to be overbearing to deal with this upcreep imo.

It's not a single person issue. The entire system is broken. Taking out one leader is not going to fix anything.

He's on his way out. And despite the inevitability of the party fixing elections with the controlled opposition we have that these motherfuckers still trust somehow, in time, a true leader will emerge and lay waste to the oligarchy, it's as certain as spring finally arriving.

Only thing that can stop him is his incompetence.

But there's already such a long list of laws and rules he just ignores and seemingly gets away with. It's madness.

We don't have actual "elections"

We have two private organizations (Ds and Rs) who have through law crushed all possible opposition.

So we get two candidates to chose from, both curated by the billionaire "donors" running each party. This is not a conspiracy, see Super PACs for more.

They won't cancel the "elections", there's absolutely no need.

Giggle. We've been playing "wait and see" for a decade now.

Elections don't solve this. We've seen that high-level Democrats are no different than high-level Republicans. Biden refused to investigate the Epstein files, he refused to prosecute Trump, and he refused to target gerrymandering/election interference.

There's no version of this where the old America magically returns. That's the same logic trap that ushered in this entire mess. There are plenty of MAGA who truly believe that they are shaking up the system and that just one more election will solve everything.

THIS. IS. THE. FUTURE.

We are living in it. The trajectory is set. We didn't stop militarization of the police when they stepped on our rights. We didn't stop data collection when we were warned. We didn't stop gross financial mismanagement, corporate influence, gerrymandering and all the other things that make a democracy work.

We aren't living in a fascist takeover. That happened years ago. We are living in its aftermath. We are frogs in a simmering pot, watching the bubbles float past us and wondering how to turn off the heat. It doesn't matter now, the damage is done. The momentum takes control.

We elected a black man twice, racism is over, right? Right?! Oh no...