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[–] 56 points 8 months ago (22 children)

Well, there are a lot of these ships going around the world all the time, and very seldom does anything like this happen. I just don’t want people thinking that U.S. aircraft carriers aren’t safe.

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  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago (16 children)

    Was this U.S. aircraft carrier safe?

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  • [–] 25 points 8 months ago (12 children)

    Well, I was thinking more about the other ones.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Yeah, the ones the vent doesn't catch fire

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Well, are there any design constraints? What are they?

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Well, non-flammable vents for one thing

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    Or maintaining vent filter cleaning schedules.

    This happens in homes as well. I knew a family who lived in a semi-remote Ontario area whose 2 yr old house burned to the ground because someone put a load into the dryer, then left for work. By the time the volunteer fire dept got there it was too late.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    I just noticed your display name. Nice.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Well, now that you point that out, I notice that most of their comments are playing on the theme. lol. Must surely be a multi, or maybe they just don't say much, but that is crazy. And fun. :)

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    About as good as one expects out of a Ford.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    We think Americans are unsafe dude. Since the boats are crewed by them it’s probably too late to be concerned about this.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I’m not saying it wasn’t safe. It’s just perhaps not quite as safe as some of the other ones.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago

    None of them are safe to the rest of us. Their operators would turn on any of us, on a dime.

    I think you misunderstood what I said, Senator Collins. It’s the people that are the problem tp us and while it might be a wisecrack right here, it’s the truth in reality.

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  • [–] [S] 38 points 8 months ago* (15 children)

    Apparently, careless smoking is not a uniquely Eastern European thing. Or perhaps someone decided to frag their ship (just a little bit, not badly).

    From the article:

    The U.S. military’s Central Command said two sailors received treatment for “non-life-threatening injuries.” People on the ship reported that dozens of service members suffered smoke inhalation.

    And in the category of non-life-threatening, but still not ideal, many sailors have not been able to do laundry since the fire.

    The ship, along with its 4,500 sailors and fighter pilots, was in the Mediterranean on Oct. 24 when Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth ordered it to steam to the Caribbean to add weight to President Trump’s pressure campaign on Nicolás Maduro, Venezuela’s leader before his seizure.

    From the Caribbean, the carrier rushed to the Middle East for the U.S.-Israeli war against Iran, which is now in its third week.

    Speaking to sailors on board aircraft carriers is difficult in the best of circumstances. During a war, the ships and military bases involved in operations go “dark,” limiting the ability of service members to communicate with the outside world. The officials and sailors interviewed for this article spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

    The Ford is now entering its 10th month of deployment. It will break the record for longest post-Vietnam War carrier deployment if it is still at sea in mid-April. That record, at 294 days, was set by the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln in 2020.

    Crew members on the Ford have been told that their deployment will probably be extended into May, which would put them at an entire year at sea, twice the length of a normal aircraft carrier deployment.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago

    The fire, according to two officials, began in the vent of a dryer in the ship’s laundry facilities and quickly spread. Sailors battled the blaze for more than 30 hours, officials and sailors said.

    That's actually pretty likely.

    Sailors will smoke anywhere they can, but in a laundry room it's gonna be clogged dryer vents.

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  • [–] 33 points 8 months ago (12 children)

    The fire, according to two officials, began in the vent of a dryer in the ship’s laundry facilities

    Nah, dryer vent fires happen all the time in improperly maintained systems. Especially when you have people like college students or junior enlisted using them. Dryer lint is very flammable. Ask any boy scout.

    "Careless smoking" is a cover for an airstrike. This is more akin to the Kuznetsov catching fire. Hopefully there are no cranes around to fall on the Ford.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    improperly maintained systems

    On a US Navy warship? The US military which has procedures and protocols for everything just... compromised mission-readiness by overlooking a simple, well-known, but critical maintenance item? I mean, this could possibly be something that the yard staff was tasked with when the ship comes in after a standard six-month deployment, but if they're overlooking stuff like that, it makes one wonder about the overall preparedness of the Navy.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    It's a meme that the weakness of the Death Star is a tiny overlooked vent for a reason. The big things are carefully considered. The tiny things, like a dryer vent, are often overlooked.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    I found online a Navy manual from the '70s which prescribed laundry operations in excruciating detail, running over a hundred pages. It required cleaning the dryer lint traps every 2 hours, and monthly cleaning of the ducts. The Navy even has ratings specifically for laundry workers, Ship's Serviceman (Laundry).

    It just blows mind that this isn't a solved problem, since it was solved 50 years ago!

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Right, that's all good. Now you have to get a couple of low-ranking servicemen to carry out every step of that hundred page manual to the letter on each of their several dozen machines, daily, after they've been deployed for an ongoing 10 months because their superiors are morons, and are further scheduled to become the longest running carrier deployment of all time at over a year of deploy time, because their superiors are morons.

    I'd believe that some corners were cut in these servicemen's duty, and it just happened to be one too many corners one too many times. The men are fatigued, they want to get off the ship. It's possible these corners were even cut on purpose with exactly this result in mind in an attempt to get them off the ship.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago

    Right, that’s all good. Now you have to get a couple of low-ranking servicemen to carry out every step of that hundred page manual to the letter on each of their several dozen machines, daily, after they’ve been deployed for an ongoing 10 months because their superiors are morons, and are further scheduled to become the longest running carrier deployment of all time at over a year of deploy time, because their superiors are morons.

    On a ship where the toilets don't work properly. Little wonder that people are half-arsing it if they're stuck on a small metal box for months longer than expected, the toilets don't work properly, and now part of the ship has also caught fire.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    It works like this, before they go to fight, they're the most invincible, most prepared, most tactical, most notorious, with the most fire power ready to turn countries to glass.

    When they get fucked, its a local scout's fault, not that serious, happens all the time, nothing suspicious, rookie mistake, maintenance problems, not a big deal, just jets sliding off of ships, smoking mistake, and so on.

    You get the idea. You can almost predict what their "explanation" are going to be. It'll be anything but accepting that they got their ass handed to them.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago

    I'd bet on it actually being a dryer fire. The timing though, yeah, it makes me think that maybe it was on purpose. Sure, it happens sometimes. It isn't that strange. However, that's what makes it the perfect target for sabotage.

    Most military personnel don't agree with invading random nations. Most joined to have a decent job that takes them out of a bad situation, and they get college paid for. At most, they joined for the idea of "defending the nation" (which is why the DoD was named that, as propoganda, and why I think the DoW is more honest and better).

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  • [–] 45 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    There have also been reports of sailors flushing all sorts of things down toilets to clog them. These guys are doing everything they can to sabotage their ships and get out of there.

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    Well the good thing is they at least have a clear goal to achieve then they can go home.... right.... I mean it would be a form of hell to serve endlessly in a conflict no one wants running missions that are just as likely warcrimes than not while your likely being told that everyone will be home soon.

    Gee its almost like this was not well planed.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    They wouldn't need to do that much either. The sewerage system was a new vacuum-based system that was supposed to be more efficient, but ended up being very finicky/fragile, and on top of that, was undersized for the demands of the crew, since it was designed around the average usage on a ship, rather than the peak usage.

    So when everyone decides they want to go to the WC and have a shower after a shift, the thing would back up because it couldn't keep up.

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  • [–] 31 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Go check your dryer vents, people

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Back in the day, I had a roommate in her late 20s, that didn't even know there was a dryer screen, let alone know to empty it. I spent months wondering why my least-linty clothes were still filling up the screen... My wife spent months wondering why it took 3 cycles to dry her stuff... The landlord spent hours cleaning out the dangerously blocked duct.

    Clean your filters after every use, peeps!

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago

    I'm really glad my dryer vent goes into a vertical chimney, because my wife never cleans out the trap. I stick a boroscope up it every few years to confirm that there's no buildup, and so far it's been pristine.

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    So, an Iranian drone probably hit it. But they’re of course never admitting that

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    I wouldn't be surprised if the US military is a paper tiger just as Russia. Not to the same extent but I'd bet there's just as much rot and corruption under the hood.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Because they had a dryer catch fire, and despite that, the ship is still combat ready?

    I get that you're not a fan of the US military, but this is just silly.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    A single dryer fire would not have raged for hours nor necessitated a return to port.

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  • [–] -2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I said that's where it started, there's a lot of flammable shit in a laundry. Also, this was likely a commercial dryer, so much bigger than what you have at home.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    The ship had to return to port, so it was not "combat effective" hell it was no longer in play. (combat ready is mostly meaningless outside of a mothballed ship).

    This is an embarrassment since it was a larger dryer and clearly not maintained to even your local laundry mat standards. And so far the us military (kinda like the russian one) has had a fair number of "whoopsy daises" in only the last few weeks. The world is watching midair collisions of refueling aircraft, fires on aircraft carriers, key trade routes cut, successful attacks on american assets and no war goals. It would be strange if people where not making the inference to a paper tiger like russia. Clearly not to the level of the russian shitshow it calls an armed force but its very clear the us is not the military power they think they are, likely to do with the record low moral and ongoing issues with corporate corruption in the military industrial complex (where are those new ships for example, the Arleigh Burke is tired boss).

    Sure the us spends the most on the military, but they also forget that those numbers kinda lose their meaning if every contractor is robbing them blind. And this is not unique to the us, its a tale as old as time.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    It isn't, provided the soldiers give a shit about the mission, which given that the carrier has been at sea doing stunts for trump for twice as long as that crew was supposed to be deployed, they absolutely do not give a shit. I'm 50/50 on coverup vs self sabotage on this one.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Story says it's from March 16th. The post seems to be made either on the 16th or the 17th. Seems pretty not old to me.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Yes? What are you trying to tell me here? That's a different article. With different information. That's kind of how news works. Sometimes new articles are written with new information about topics.

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    [–] 8 points 8 months ago* (6 children)

    That's nuts. It's hard for me to imagine a fire that after a whole day isn't put out but also hasn't broken totally out of control and destroyed the ship.

    I mean... 30 hours? Imagine issuing a status update after 20 hours of continuous fire fighting and being like, 'Well, we think it's under control... It's not growing anymore. How long until it's out? I don't know, I'm pretty sure we're past the half way point.'

    Crazy.

    Also, I wonder how it started? Was someone sneaking a cigarette? Did someone get stir crazy and start playing with matches? Weird AF.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    dryer lint fires tend to happen most often by the lint not getting cleaned out, and getting squished into the internals and coming in contact with the dryer heating elements and igniting. Lint is basically a perfect tinder material, because it burns fast and hot. You can actually save your dryer lint to use for campfires. in my experience, it's nearly as good as char cloth.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Few years back I saved the dryer lint over a year and compressed it and gave it to a sister as starter logs to use at her cottage.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    If you're feeling extra frugal: save the last bit of wax from your candles, stuff the dryer lint into the pockets of an empty paper egg carton, melt the wax down, and then pour that over the lint. Once it cools you have a dozen fire starters that will happily burn for like 5 minutes each.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Wow. I knew lint is flammable, but I kinda assumed spontaneous ignition in a dryer was a myth. Good to know.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    Oh no it's super flammable. You can make fire starters with that shit. Last week my appointment complex insisted on cleaning out my dryer everything with a really cool vacuum, and I was sick, but let them. Best not to catch the whole building on fire. Yeah it's a risk for sure.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Is this the carrier equivalent of bone spurs?

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    park it in the Strait of Hormuz you cowards

    military concepts like "standoff" and "beyond visual range" were invented by woke Marxist generals who were afraid of getting their hands dirty

    the Ford is a gigantic ship, Iran only has small wittle boats. they'll definitely run away and be scared of it.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Remember to clean out your dryer traps and lines folks.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    The ford was supposed to be in dock for maintenance and swapping out crew right now.

    It’s having a lot of minor issues right now, and I wonder how much of that is that systems not getting the maintenance they need, and how much of that is due to crew ignoring routine tasks, or actively causing problems because they’re pissed they’re being forced to stay out longer.

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    [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Someone didn't clean the dryer lint. That sounds like a lack of daily maintenance through inattention.

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