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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 29 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I don't think the US is gonna last that long

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[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I don't think society lasts that long.

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[–] m532@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

Society (libspeak): When westerners rule. For opposite, see Authoritarianism

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[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago

Human society. As in human social existence.

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[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 24 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Um, they've been for the past few years. Fuck's sake Im having a hard time figuring out who the dumbest assholes in this war are.

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (1 child)

Which war? Ukraine/Russia? Or israels dick and America's mouth vs Iran? Or is this turning into one war now? It's so very confusing at this point.

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[–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago

If this does turn into a world war then it's following a Star Trek film pattern: only the even numbered ones are ~~good~~ justified and not completely stupid.

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[–] UnimportantHuman@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago

Some competitions end in draws.

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[–] phx@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Right and who was or again supplying Russia with drones all this time... ah right

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[–] Zer0_F0x@lemmy.world 45 points 8 months ago (51 children)

Hmmm, I wonder how Ukraine ever managed to become so proficient in shooting down Iranian drones, years before anyone else?

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[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 17 points 8 months ago (50 children)

Ukraine is sending soldiers with their drones.

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 15 points 8 months ago

probably the whole photoshop brigade

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[–] Zer0_F0x@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (43 children)

Ukraine is sending neither drones nor soldiers inside of Iran.

Thousands of Iranian drones have landed into Ukrainian soil, though.

Also are you telling me the Iranians sent the drones to Russia and just sent them flight instructions printed on an A4 paper instead of Iranian instructors...?

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[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 29 points 8 months ago (42 children)

Ukrainian soldiers are operating the drones to defend the genocidal ethnostate and the US bases bombing Iran. This is not giving instructions, this is participation in the war.

Ironically Ukraine is sending soldiers and interceptors from their own frontlines. Guess they don't need them more than Netanyahu.

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[+] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com -13 points 8 months ago (26 children)

Iranian soldiers operated the drones sent by a demand of a genocidal ethnostate to bomb Ukraine. This is not giving instructions, this is participation in the war.

Now, because of involvement of these chaps, Ukraine has a technology that is in high demand in the world, for whatever reason. It's very single cellular to assume that the technology is not scalable, and that literally every person who can be involved in scaling of a technology must be digging trench somewhere in Donetsk.

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[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 16 points 7 months ago (20 children)

Talking about a genocidal ethnostate is pretty rich in a thread defending Israel and its allies

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[–] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 7 months ago (19 children)

Israel and USA can go and fuck themselves with a bomb shaped dildo for all I care.

But it's they are not the only one committing genocide, and your mates from around here are making it very weird turning people suffering into genocide Olympics.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 12 points 7 months ago (18 children)

Israel and USA can go and fuck themselves with a bomb shaped dildo for all I care.

Okay, so we can agree that Israel and the US are evil.

So. What does it say about Ukraine that they are on the same side?

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[+] Lucius_Sweet@lemmy.world -6 points 7 months ago (17 children)

This is not some comic book battle between good and evil, it is perfectly possible for both USA, Israel and Russia to be evil, they are all expansionist imperial entities currently engaging in imperial land grabs. I would say they are all evil.

Ukraine and Iran were just minding their own business when the imperialists attacked. USA, Russia and Israel are all on the same shitty side of the coin. The rest of the world hates the lot of them.

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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago (9 children)

Ukraine had a fascist coup and their government was literally chosen by the US imperialists.
After that they started killing 14000 ethnic Russians in the east who wanted nothing to do with these nazis.
It's perfectly possible for all the parties to be evil.
Many things wrong with Putin, imperialism is not one of them.
Pretty hard to mind your own business when NATO keeps expanding and they would've placed nukes on their border, too close to defend against.
How would the US like it if Russia couped Mexico and put nukes in Tijuana?

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[+] Lucius_Sweet@lemmy.world -7 points 7 months ago (8 children)

Ukraine had a fascist coup

I must have missed that one, maybe one man's popular revolution is another man's fascist coup. The numbers who participated in the protests turned revolution in Ukraine in 2014 are estimated at between 400,000-800,000.

You call it a fascist coup but how come power has peacefully and democratically changed hands 3 times since? Doesn't really make sense now does it buddy? Now, how many times has power changed hands in Russia in the same timeframe?

You are peddling the same tired talking points from 4 years ago, even Putin and his stooges have stopped using them because they sound ridiculous. The biggest cause of NATO expansion is Russia's belligerence, where it not for this war, Finland and Sweden would never have joined NATO.

Many things wrong with Putin, imperialism is not one of them.

Just because his imperialism doesn't bother you it doesn't make his imperialism ok, I am definitely against it.

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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago* (7 children)

Totally not fascist, right.
Hanging cool flags in parliament to celebrate on the right, their sponsors on the left.
Somehow they didn't show that on the news in our free and democratic west and with its objective reporting.
Maybe you missed the Nuland-Pyatt call too where the US literally orders who would be in their government.
Democratic and normal education these days, no nazis in ukraine because one of manyfascist batalions changed their logo a bit and magically stopped being nazis .
You are peddling the same tired nazi whitewashing talking points.
How come your beloved 3 democratic governments never stopped murdering civilians in the east or honored the accords?
Wouldn't be because no matter what puppet they have they still do what the master tells them to do, die for the USSA to own the Russians. Russia expanded nowhere and and the claims of imperialism are fiction to suit your narrative.

This proxy war has backfired gigantically and helped expediate the decline of the US, made Russia stronger and forged alliances between many countries that don't bend to the tirants will.
So that's great news besides the many deaths.
I'm glad the US is circling the drain and losing power rapidly everywhere.
And now making another dumb mistake taking on Iran.
So you can keep on defending ukronazis, the good friends of shitraeli babykillers and US babykillers , nothing you say or think will change that.
But maybe it helps you sleep at night,

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[–] Lucius_Sweet@lemmy.world -3 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Yes your videos of some dude putting up a flag somewhere should count just as much as the peaceful transfer of power in 3 democratic elections. Your propaganda points are absolute slop my man, try harder.

You seem to think that the Ukrainian government is murdering civilians in a vacuum in eastern Ukraine. Have some balls and acknowledge the Russian "little green men" campaigns with the girkin and his band of fools who ended up shooting down a commercial passenger plane with Russian supplied weaponry. You won't though because you are a coward. The USA was not the only country messing around with Ukrainian sovereignty.

helped expediate the decline of the US,

Good

made Russia stronger

Lol, by draining their sovereign wealth fund, stocks of weaponry and the blood of their people when they are already in a demographic crisis. Delicious copium.

forged alliances between many countries

Who, north Korea? Haha. China are not allied to Russia and neither are India. Russia has lost Venezuela and Syria as allies and Iran are now finding out that being allied to Russia is worthless.

I'm also not from Israel or the USA, they are baby killers true just like Putin. All cut from the same cloth, imperial scum the lot of them.

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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (5 children)

yawn
not interested in your garbage

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[–] Lucius_Sweet@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago (4 children)

You guys normally have a bit more fight in you, not used to you just laying down like this. I'm sure the long war has taken a toll on you and like the Russian soldiers on the front line you have decided to just give up.

I actually think Russia is close to the end. They have been getting meeker and meeker lately with their statements and the 2 week long mobile internet blackout in Moscow has been suspicious to say the least....

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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

LOL
I'm just bored with you and you have nothing to offer
I can read that garbage you parrot in every MSM mouthpiece.
Not even worth ridiculing.
You keep on being delusional until reality hits you in the face.
Don't reply or I'll have to block you if you annoy me more

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[–] Lucius_Sweet@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

You keep on being delusional until reality hits you in the face.

Could say the same to you as Russia's front lines collapse. Putin's response is to shut off the internet, brave.

Don't reply or I'll have to block you if you annoy me more

I do what I want, you'll tell me nothing. You Russia boys are a bunch of soft snowflakes. If you don't want this conversation to continue all you have to do is not respond. Don't give me cowardly meek threats, block away and protect your safe space if you need to, I don't care.

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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 child)

not reading your bS even
blocked asshole

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[–] Lucius_Sweet@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

Off to your safe space!

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago (6 children)

It's impossible to fight the entire world all at once. I say we choose the lesser evil.

It's how you vote anyway, right? Why not just apply that on a larger scale?

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[–] Lucius_Sweet@lemmy.world -4 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Your comment implies that it is a binary choice. Lesser evil between the USA, Israel and Russia is a difficult shout, there is a cigarette paper between the three.

The three are also not the same, the USA is a far bigger threat to the world due to its military and financial might. Russia and Israel are not eating at the same table. It could probably be argued that they have the most twisted world views of the players here and I am very glad they are not in the conversation. China and the EU are the only other potentially global players. The EU are the USA's yes men who have been greatly upset to recently be told this reality to their face. China look to be an alternative but when you peel back the veneer they are closer to the USA in their set up than most people would care to admit.

The lesser evil one is a difficult argument to make, do you believe if either Israel or Russia occupied the USA's position as global hegemon that they would be better or worse?

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 7 months ago* (4 children)

My comment implies there is a primary contradiction, and the choice is between US hegemony and multipolarity.

There is an empire, and only once it is destroyed can we even begin dealing with any of the lesser contradictions.

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[–] Lucius_Sweet@lemmy.world -3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

There are several empires, American one is just the most powerful. The way the Chinese and the Russians treat their people does not give me hope that their empires would act any differently. Britain and France have shown they are not to be trusted either based on their past atrocities.

Would mutipolarity make things better or worse? I don't think that it matters, the fundamental nature of power and nation states make conflict and war inevitable. A multipolar world would likely make conflict more common. Can you name any wars of aggression that have honestly been done to improve the position of the country and its people and not just the elites? Vertical power structures are the problem, I would happily see the USA lose its position as hegemon but multipolarity won't change much.

The logical conclusion every country should be looking towards now should be acquiring nukes. Maybe this is the path to peace.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

No. There's the global hegemon, and then there are the lesser regional powers that can't project force very far beyond their borders. Russia has been fighting for a decade over a relatively small piece of land that's literally directly on its border, it just isn't strong enough to even be an empire. There is only one empire under hegemony

That will certainly change in a multipolar world, but that means we can pit them against each other. Without a hegemon that can rally the entire imperial core against every revolutionary project, this new world will be one where revolutionaries can use imperialist rivalries to create space for themselves. Multipolarity is the precondition for revolution.

And in this new world, we'll need to reevaluate the contradictions. Russia is my enemy's enemy at this historical moment but in the new world I expect that to change. They are neoliberal capitalists, after all.

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[–] Lucius_Sweet@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

Despite Russia's failure on the battlefield they are still an old imperial power holding vast quantities of land from the days of the Romanov's. They still hold power over multiple cultures and ethnicities and brutally suppress secessionist movements.

Fortunately the Trump government seems to be putting the American empire into an unrecoverable tail spin as a result of his and his movements almost unparalleled ignorance. We might just get to see this multipolar world, I actually think the future will be bipolar with India and China as the competing powers. The west has had its time.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 months ago*

They still hold power over multiple cultures and ethnicities and brutally suppress secessionist movements.

That's literally every country on Earth. That's what countries are. The project of nation building is welding together different ethnicities and cultures into a single unified nation, and sometimes that requires putting down secession to maintain cohesion of a single state. If your definition of "empire" basically defines all countries as empires, it isn't very useful.

I actually think the future will be bipolar with India and China as the competing powers. The west has had its time.

The West won't vanish either, they're still going to be very powerful competing powers. It's likely going to break up into chunks, though, starting with the split that's emerging between the US and basically everyone else. Then, maybe, Europe will fracture further into blocs. No idea what Canada is going to do, probably get invaded and absorbed by the US or something.

It's going to get ugly and strange. But, in that ugliness and strangeness, there will finally be space for revolution again.

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[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 14 points 8 months ago

Russia is not a genocidal ethnostate. Go look at the percentage of civilian casualties in the Ukraine war and the percentage in Gaza and then learn what terms mean. Russia does commit "war crimes" (whatever that word means nowadays) but they are most certainly not committing genocide.

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[–] liuther9@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Zelensky supports nazis and child fukers and child killers. Means in retrograde it was a right choice by Iran

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[+] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com -6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

So I guess genocide is ok? Wow that down, you pedigree chum.

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[–] BoJackHorseman@lemmy.today 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

Ukraine isn't being genocided. Only the regime is being changed.

The only genocide happening is in Gaza and now Lebanon.

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[–] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 7 months ago

Do you mind defining what a genocide is?

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[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works -5 points 7 months ago (14 children)

A reasonable person would assume that Ukraine sending small teams over is meant to encourage, or pay back favours in terms of support in their defence against a forgein invading genocidal ethnostate. On top of wanting to help deal with Iran seeing as Iranian drones have been bombing them for years now.

So what exactly is ironic? It's very much in their best interest that Iran can no longer supply Russia with drones.

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[–] BoJackHorseman@lemmy.today 8 points 7 months ago (6 children)

You can't use the term genocidal ethnostate for any country you don't like. Pick up a dictionary, mate.

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[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works -1 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Sure, so that ethnic minorities in Russia have faced disproportionat military conscriptions and sent to the front as meat waves are just coincidence then.

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[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago* (4 children)

Meat waves

Goebbels would be proud of the longevity of his bullshit. This is old nazi propaganda invented as cope to explain all the times they got outmaneuvered on the battlefield by the "Slavic untermenschen".

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[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works -1 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Except we have thousands of hours of footage today. What would you call it when people are sent to cross open fields only to be mowed down by drones and artillery. Time after time after time again?

Was it cope from nazis? It's entirely possible. Doesn't make it untrue. And like I said. Today we have plenty of footage of it. Though if you want to call it something else that's fine

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[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 1 point 7 months ago* (2 children)

If we had "hours of footage" it would have aired on every single ww2 "documentary" i ever watched on History channel as a 12 year old. If we had "hours of footage", you would link me even a minute of it. I bet you a thousand bucks than if you show me anything, you show me a regular-ass WW2 infantry attack with like, a line of guys moving forward under artillery cover.

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[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works -1 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

We have several hours of footage from the CURRENT war... of Russians being sent over fields, hit by drones and artillery. Once they're all dead. Send in the next guys, their turn.

I thought that would be obvious since they didn't have drones in WW2.

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[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 1 point 7 months ago*

That's called "an attack", and literally every faction does it. Curiously, only when Russians do it does it become a Sinister Russian Meatwave, despite the fact that there is never an actual wave because drone warfare makes mass movement suicidal and the current tactical meta is team and squad movements. Yeah, what a HUGE MEATWAVE. You're not just mindlessly repeating tropes at all.

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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Iran no longer provide drones to Russis and ukraine is joining Israel who want another genocide in Iran. When are you going to call for bombing China?

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[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago (5 children)

Obviously not, they're busy sending whatever they have at various military bases around the region.

I'm not going to argue against Israel wanting a genocide in Iran. I agree, they do want a genocide. I agree, it is bad.

What Ukraine is doing is offering their knowledge in drone interception. Seeing as they have years of experience when it comes to intercepting Iranian shahed drones.

Probably hoping to get some additional support when/if the war in Iran ends.

Why would I call for bombings in China? When have called for bombing anywhere? Please let me know. Because I can not recall doing it even once.

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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (4 children)

The bases in the Gulf are the eyes and ears of the USA and Israel. Helping the Gulf during the war is helping Israel and the USA who want to commit genocide.

Europe is now the main contributor to the defense of Ukraine. In the future, the USA's support will become useless. All the consequences of the war right now benefit Russia, not Ukraine. The war will last years. Iran will never surrender even if the regime is falling. Zelensky meeting with the traitor, the son of the Shah, and with Trump not supporting him taking power shows to me that Zelensky wants to take vengeance on Iran for the Shaheds. If you can have peace talks with Putin knowing how untrustworthy he is, could Europe and Ukraine talk to Iran and try to detach it as a Russian ally with economic and diplomatic deals?

Isn't it weird that there is talks with Iran for the civil nuclear program that Israel claims to be a program to build . A country with extremist religious leaderships will not disrespect and ignore a religious decree from the "supreme" leader banning nuclear weapons . How about the talk being centered on the Ukraine war?

Why would I call for bombings in China? because China support more substantially the Russian invasion

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[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

Ukraine probably have their own goals in mind. Making sure Iran can't export sheheds is good for them. Showing themselves as capable and offering help is a good way to also recieve help. I don't think it's about vengeance. It's about practicality.

Yeah I agree, the war in Iran benefits Russia. As Oil prices go up, and Russia sells. That only benefits them.

I doubt there's anything Ukraine and Europe can do in talks with Iran. Iran are the ones being attacked. What is there to say? It's also not our mess. Europe is not particularly impressed by this attack. Morals aside. It's clumsy, there's no plan, there's no contingency, the one obvious predictable counter-move by Iran was somehow not predicted!? And on top of it all, Israel is bombing water desalination plants which I think is an obvious war crime. Plain and simple.

You can't bomb a nation into submission. We would never give up. So why would they?

Why would I call for bombings in China? because China support more substantially the Russian invasion

Ok, I still don't think China should be bombed. I don't even think Iran should have been bombed.

I think there should be consequences enforced by Europe since it's a war in our backyard. But not bombings.

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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

Russia is now manufacturing it's own drone based on the shahed drone, it no longer need Iran.

The nuclear deal was respected till trump teared up the deal and europeen refused to be clear that the 12 days war was started by the usa is Israel. Truth is regardless of how terrible the regime is to it's people it is more trust worthy than the USA.

Pre ukraine joining the sanctions on Iran in 2007. Both ukraine and iran under the same regimw has normal relation

Reza pahlavi is an israeli agent who is unpopular within Iran. His father was a butcher too and he is fine with it. Zelensky has zero advantage to meet him. He could have stick with I support the iranian people

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[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works -1 points 7 months ago (1 child)

I know they can manufacture them. They still import from Iran. The demand far exceeds the supply.

and europeen refused to be clear that the 12 days war was started by the usa is Israel.

What are you talking about? Everyone in Europe is saying that USA and Israel started the war.

"Ukraine truly wants to see a free Iran that will not cooperate with Russia or destabilize the Middle East, Europe, and the world. I am grateful to the Crown Prince for his clear assurances of support for Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity. Our teams will remain in communication," Zelensky said.

That's what he said after the meeting. I doubt the US and Israel will stop their war with Iran until they get everything they want or until there's no Iran left. Not unless someone makes them. And Europe is not going to start a war with the US over Iran.

The purpose of Zelenaky meeting with him, an opposition leader, was to try and ensure their support of Russia would sieze if he is selected as the new leader. So to say there's zero advantage is just not true. Though we could probably argue and speculate what level of advantage it would generate, it is an easy risk free move to make with zero disadvantage.

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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago*

I know they can manufacture them. They still import from Iran. The demand far exceeds the supply.

The opposite . Russia building capabilities are high and is exporting the improved drones to Iran

What are you talking about? Everyone in Europe is saying that USA and Israel started the war.

Europe blamed the whole war on Iran and repeated the lie about Iran trying to create nukes . Even now they keep putting pressure on Iran instead of who started the war. I will not get fooled twice , just because they don't participate in strikes it doesn't mean they are not assisting the war just like they did during the Iraq war. Intel sharing is even more important than military power. Bomb was seen loaded in uk military bases

The purpose of Zelenaky meeting with him, an opposition leader, was to try and ensure their support of Russia would sieze if he is selected as the new leader. So to say there’s zero advantage is just not true. Though we could probably argue and speculate what level of advantage it would generate, it is an easy risk free move to make with zero disadvantage.

Again Reza is not popular and would follow his father policies of oppressing , torturing, raping and killing opponents. You are really overexaggerating Iran importance to Russia in 2026

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[+] carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works -6 points 8 months ago* (4 children)

Don't ask how Iranian soldiers died in Ukraine in 2022 during a drone strike on a Russian position launching Shaheds

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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Is this like the very true ukrainian reports of North Koreans burning their own face off to be unrecognizable?
And then left their immaculate North Korean documents they for some reason decided to take into battle intact?
Ah good times, I remember how much I laughed.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

To be clear, the DPRK did send troops, just to help with Kursk.

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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago (1 child)

Yes but we know that's in Russia not ex-ukraine.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago

Yes, just wanted to make it clear in case anyone thought you were denying any presence of the DPRK in the broader war.

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[–] pelikan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 months ago

It's funny to see Trump, Netanyahu and Zelenskyy teaming up. I bet their fanbases will soon merge too.

[–] Paragone@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

ANDDD..

Iranian drones blowing-up Ukraina didn't make Ukraina designate Iran as a legitimate war-target??

Iran ought now be a legit Ukrainian target, if that's Iran's position.

Ukraina's selling defensive drones, not assault ones, from what I've been seeing.

This is mere ideological-convenience/gaslighting, not accuracy-of-view.

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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

Ukraine joined the sanctions on Iran in 2007 for the civilian nuclear program . Sanctions indirectly kill people. Zelensky want to save isrsel and the usa who do not only want to end the ergime but also commit gaza line genocide

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[–] wewbull@feddit.uk -2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

Ukraine would be quite happy is other countries just got off it's land!

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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

Eastern ukraine would've been quite happy if US backed proxies wouldn't have bombed them since 2014.