Lucius_Sweet comments on Iranian lawmaker says Ukraine's drone support makes it a legitimate war target

Iranian lawmaker says Ukraine's drone support makes it a legitimate war target (www.euronews.com)

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The head of Iran’s parliamentary committee on national security and foreign policy said that by providing drone support to Israel, Ukraine has “effectively become involved in the war.”

Zelenskyy earlier stated that Kyiv has already deployed interceptor drones and a team of specialists to help protect US military bases in Jordan.

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[+] Lucius_Sweet@lemmy.world -6 points 7 months ago (17 children)

This is not some comic book battle between good and evil, it is perfectly possible for both USA, Israel and Russia to be evil, they are all expansionist imperial entities currently engaging in imperial land grabs. I would say they are all evil.

Ukraine and Iran were just minding their own business when the imperialists attacked. USA, Russia and Israel are all on the same shitty side of the coin. The rest of the world hates the lot of them.

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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago (9 children)

Ukraine had a fascist coup and their government was literally chosen by the US imperialists.
After that they started killing 14000 ethnic Russians in the east who wanted nothing to do with these nazis.
It's perfectly possible for all the parties to be evil.
Many things wrong with Putin, imperialism is not one of them.
Pretty hard to mind your own business when NATO keeps expanding and they would've placed nukes on their border, too close to defend against.
How would the US like it if Russia couped Mexico and put nukes in Tijuana?

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[+] Lucius_Sweet@lemmy.world -7 points 7 months ago (8 children)

Ukraine had a fascist coup

I must have missed that one, maybe one man's popular revolution is another man's fascist coup. The numbers who participated in the protests turned revolution in Ukraine in 2014 are estimated at between 400,000-800,000.

You call it a fascist coup but how come power has peacefully and democratically changed hands 3 times since? Doesn't really make sense now does it buddy? Now, how many times has power changed hands in Russia in the same timeframe?

You are peddling the same tired talking points from 4 years ago, even Putin and his stooges have stopped using them because they sound ridiculous. The biggest cause of NATO expansion is Russia's belligerence, where it not for this war, Finland and Sweden would never have joined NATO.

Many things wrong with Putin, imperialism is not one of them.

Just because his imperialism doesn't bother you it doesn't make his imperialism ok, I am definitely against it.

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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago* (7 children)

Totally not fascist, right.
Hanging cool flags in parliament to celebrate on the right, their sponsors on the left.
Somehow they didn't show that on the news in our free and democratic west and with its objective reporting.
Maybe you missed the Nuland-Pyatt call too where the US literally orders who would be in their government.
Democratic and normal education these days, no nazis in ukraine because one of manyfascist batalions changed their logo a bit and magically stopped being nazis .
You are peddling the same tired nazi whitewashing talking points.
How come your beloved 3 democratic governments never stopped murdering civilians in the east or honored the accords?
Wouldn't be because no matter what puppet they have they still do what the master tells them to do, die for the USSA to own the Russians. Russia expanded nowhere and and the claims of imperialism are fiction to suit your narrative.

This proxy war has backfired gigantically and helped expediate the decline of the US, made Russia stronger and forged alliances between many countries that don't bend to the tirants will.
So that's great news besides the many deaths.
I'm glad the US is circling the drain and losing power rapidly everywhere.
And now making another dumb mistake taking on Iran.
So you can keep on defending ukronazis, the good friends of shitraeli babykillers and US babykillers , nothing you say or think will change that.
But maybe it helps you sleep at night,

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[–] Lucius_Sweet@lemmy.world -3 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Yes your videos of some dude putting up a flag somewhere should count just as much as the peaceful transfer of power in 3 democratic elections. Your propaganda points are absolute slop my man, try harder.

You seem to think that the Ukrainian government is murdering civilians in a vacuum in eastern Ukraine. Have some balls and acknowledge the Russian "little green men" campaigns with the girkin and his band of fools who ended up shooting down a commercial passenger plane with Russian supplied weaponry. You won't though because you are a coward. The USA was not the only country messing around with Ukrainian sovereignty.

helped expediate the decline of the US,

Good

made Russia stronger

Lol, by draining their sovereign wealth fund, stocks of weaponry and the blood of their people when they are already in a demographic crisis. Delicious copium.

forged alliances between many countries

Who, north Korea? Haha. China are not allied to Russia and neither are India. Russia has lost Venezuela and Syria as allies and Iran are now finding out that being allied to Russia is worthless.

I'm also not from Israel or the USA, they are baby killers true just like Putin. All cut from the same cloth, imperial scum the lot of them.

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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (5 children)

yawn
not interested in your garbage

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[–] Lucius_Sweet@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago (4 children)

You guys normally have a bit more fight in you, not used to you just laying down like this. I'm sure the long war has taken a toll on you and like the Russian soldiers on the front line you have decided to just give up.

I actually think Russia is close to the end. They have been getting meeker and meeker lately with their statements and the 2 week long mobile internet blackout in Moscow has been suspicious to say the least....

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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

LOL
I'm just bored with you and you have nothing to offer
I can read that garbage you parrot in every MSM mouthpiece.
Not even worth ridiculing.
You keep on being delusional until reality hits you in the face.
Don't reply or I'll have to block you if you annoy me more

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[–] Lucius_Sweet@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

You keep on being delusional until reality hits you in the face.

Could say the same to you as Russia's front lines collapse. Putin's response is to shut off the internet, brave.

Don't reply or I'll have to block you if you annoy me more

I do what I want, you'll tell me nothing. You Russia boys are a bunch of soft snowflakes. If you don't want this conversation to continue all you have to do is not respond. Don't give me cowardly meek threats, block away and protect your safe space if you need to, I don't care.

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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 child)

not reading your bS even
blocked asshole

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[–] Lucius_Sweet@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

Off to your safe space!

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago (6 children)

It's impossible to fight the entire world all at once. I say we choose the lesser evil.

It's how you vote anyway, right? Why not just apply that on a larger scale?

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[–] Lucius_Sweet@lemmy.world -4 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Your comment implies that it is a binary choice. Lesser evil between the USA, Israel and Russia is a difficult shout, there is a cigarette paper between the three.

The three are also not the same, the USA is a far bigger threat to the world due to its military and financial might. Russia and Israel are not eating at the same table. It could probably be argued that they have the most twisted world views of the players here and I am very glad they are not in the conversation. China and the EU are the only other potentially global players. The EU are the USA's yes men who have been greatly upset to recently be told this reality to their face. China look to be an alternative but when you peel back the veneer they are closer to the USA in their set up than most people would care to admit.

The lesser evil one is a difficult argument to make, do you believe if either Israel or Russia occupied the USA's position as global hegemon that they would be better or worse?

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 7 months ago* (4 children)

My comment implies there is a primary contradiction, and the choice is between US hegemony and multipolarity.

There is an empire, and only once it is destroyed can we even begin dealing with any of the lesser contradictions.

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[–] Lucius_Sweet@lemmy.world -3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

There are several empires, American one is just the most powerful. The way the Chinese and the Russians treat their people does not give me hope that their empires would act any differently. Britain and France have shown they are not to be trusted either based on their past atrocities.

Would mutipolarity make things better or worse? I don't think that it matters, the fundamental nature of power and nation states make conflict and war inevitable. A multipolar world would likely make conflict more common. Can you name any wars of aggression that have honestly been done to improve the position of the country and its people and not just the elites? Vertical power structures are the problem, I would happily see the USA lose its position as hegemon but multipolarity won't change much.

The logical conclusion every country should be looking towards now should be acquiring nukes. Maybe this is the path to peace.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

No. There's the global hegemon, and then there are the lesser regional powers that can't project force very far beyond their borders. Russia has been fighting for a decade over a relatively small piece of land that's literally directly on its border, it just isn't strong enough to even be an empire. There is only one empire under hegemony

That will certainly change in a multipolar world, but that means we can pit them against each other. Without a hegemon that can rally the entire imperial core against every revolutionary project, this new world will be one where revolutionaries can use imperialist rivalries to create space for themselves. Multipolarity is the precondition for revolution.

And in this new world, we'll need to reevaluate the contradictions. Russia is my enemy's enemy at this historical moment but in the new world I expect that to change. They are neoliberal capitalists, after all.

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[–] Lucius_Sweet@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

Despite Russia's failure on the battlefield they are still an old imperial power holding vast quantities of land from the days of the Romanov's. They still hold power over multiple cultures and ethnicities and brutally suppress secessionist movements.

Fortunately the Trump government seems to be putting the American empire into an unrecoverable tail spin as a result of his and his movements almost unparalleled ignorance. We might just get to see this multipolar world, I actually think the future will be bipolar with India and China as the competing powers. The west has had its time.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 months ago*

They still hold power over multiple cultures and ethnicities and brutally suppress secessionist movements.

That's literally every country on Earth. That's what countries are. The project of nation building is welding together different ethnicities and cultures into a single unified nation, and sometimes that requires putting down secession to maintain cohesion of a single state. If your definition of "empire" basically defines all countries as empires, it isn't very useful.

I actually think the future will be bipolar with India and China as the competing powers. The west has had its time.

The West won't vanish either, they're still going to be very powerful competing powers. It's likely going to break up into chunks, though, starting with the split that's emerging between the US and basically everyone else. Then, maybe, Europe will fracture further into blocs. No idea what Canada is going to do, probably get invaded and absorbed by the US or something.

It's going to get ugly and strange. But, in that ugliness and strangeness, there will finally be space for revolution again.

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