Atomic comments on Iranian lawmaker says Ukraine's drone support makes it a legitimate war target

Iranian lawmaker says Ukraine's drone support makes it a legitimate war target (www.euronews.com)

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The head of Iran’s parliamentary committee on national security and foreign policy said that by providing drone support to Israel, Ukraine has “effectively become involved in the war.”

Zelenskyy earlier stated that Kyiv has already deployed interceptor drones and a team of specialists to help protect US military bases in Jordan.

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[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works -5 points 7 months ago (14 children)

A reasonable person would assume that Ukraine sending small teams over is meant to encourage, or pay back favours in terms of support in their defence against a forgein invading genocidal ethnostate. On top of wanting to help deal with Iran seeing as Iranian drones have been bombing them for years now.

So what exactly is ironic? It's very much in their best interest that Iran can no longer supply Russia with drones.

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[–] BoJackHorseman@lemmy.today 8 points 7 months ago (6 children)

You can't use the term genocidal ethnostate for any country you don't like. Pick up a dictionary, mate.

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[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works -1 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Sure, so that ethnic minorities in Russia have faced disproportionat military conscriptions and sent to the front as meat waves are just coincidence then.

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[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago* (4 children)

Meat waves

Goebbels would be proud of the longevity of his bullshit. This is old nazi propaganda invented as cope to explain all the times they got outmaneuvered on the battlefield by the "Slavic untermenschen".

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[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works -1 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Except we have thousands of hours of footage today. What would you call it when people are sent to cross open fields only to be mowed down by drones and artillery. Time after time after time again?

Was it cope from nazis? It's entirely possible. Doesn't make it untrue. And like I said. Today we have plenty of footage of it. Though if you want to call it something else that's fine

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[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 1 point 7 months ago* (2 children)

If we had "hours of footage" it would have aired on every single ww2 "documentary" i ever watched on History channel as a 12 year old. If we had "hours of footage", you would link me even a minute of it. I bet you a thousand bucks than if you show me anything, you show me a regular-ass WW2 infantry attack with like, a line of guys moving forward under artillery cover.

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[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works -1 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

We have several hours of footage from the CURRENT war... of Russians being sent over fields, hit by drones and artillery. Once they're all dead. Send in the next guys, their turn.

I thought that would be obvious since they didn't have drones in WW2.

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[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 1 point 7 months ago*

That's called "an attack", and literally every faction does it. Curiously, only when Russians do it does it become a Sinister Russian Meatwave, despite the fact that there is never an actual wave because drone warfare makes mass movement suicidal and the current tactical meta is team and squad movements. Yeah, what a HUGE MEATWAVE. You're not just mindlessly repeating tropes at all.

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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Iran no longer provide drones to Russis and ukraine is joining Israel who want another genocide in Iran. When are you going to call for bombing China?

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[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago (5 children)

Obviously not, they're busy sending whatever they have at various military bases around the region.

I'm not going to argue against Israel wanting a genocide in Iran. I agree, they do want a genocide. I agree, it is bad.

What Ukraine is doing is offering their knowledge in drone interception. Seeing as they have years of experience when it comes to intercepting Iranian shahed drones.

Probably hoping to get some additional support when/if the war in Iran ends.

Why would I call for bombings in China? When have called for bombing anywhere? Please let me know. Because I can not recall doing it even once.

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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (4 children)

The bases in the Gulf are the eyes and ears of the USA and Israel. Helping the Gulf during the war is helping Israel and the USA who want to commit genocide.

Europe is now the main contributor to the defense of Ukraine. In the future, the USA's support will become useless. All the consequences of the war right now benefit Russia, not Ukraine. The war will last years. Iran will never surrender even if the regime is falling. Zelensky meeting with the traitor, the son of the Shah, and with Trump not supporting him taking power shows to me that Zelensky wants to take vengeance on Iran for the Shaheds. If you can have peace talks with Putin knowing how untrustworthy he is, could Europe and Ukraine talk to Iran and try to detach it as a Russian ally with economic and diplomatic deals?

Isn't it weird that there is talks with Iran for the civil nuclear program that Israel claims to be a program to build . A country with extremist religious leaderships will not disrespect and ignore a religious decree from the "supreme" leader banning nuclear weapons . How about the talk being centered on the Ukraine war?

Why would I call for bombings in China? because China support more substantially the Russian invasion

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[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

Ukraine probably have their own goals in mind. Making sure Iran can't export sheheds is good for them. Showing themselves as capable and offering help is a good way to also recieve help. I don't think it's about vengeance. It's about practicality.

Yeah I agree, the war in Iran benefits Russia. As Oil prices go up, and Russia sells. That only benefits them.

I doubt there's anything Ukraine and Europe can do in talks with Iran. Iran are the ones being attacked. What is there to say? It's also not our mess. Europe is not particularly impressed by this attack. Morals aside. It's clumsy, there's no plan, there's no contingency, the one obvious predictable counter-move by Iran was somehow not predicted!? And on top of it all, Israel is bombing water desalination plants which I think is an obvious war crime. Plain and simple.

You can't bomb a nation into submission. We would never give up. So why would they?

Why would I call for bombings in China? because China support more substantially the Russian invasion

Ok, I still don't think China should be bombed. I don't even think Iran should have been bombed.

I think there should be consequences enforced by Europe since it's a war in our backyard. But not bombings.

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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

Russia is now manufacturing it's own drone based on the shahed drone, it no longer need Iran.

The nuclear deal was respected till trump teared up the deal and europeen refused to be clear that the 12 days war was started by the usa is Israel. Truth is regardless of how terrible the regime is to it's people it is more trust worthy than the USA.

Pre ukraine joining the sanctions on Iran in 2007. Both ukraine and iran under the same regimw has normal relation

Reza pahlavi is an israeli agent who is unpopular within Iran. His father was a butcher too and he is fine with it. Zelensky has zero advantage to meet him. He could have stick with I support the iranian people

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[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works -1 points 7 months ago (1 child)

I know they can manufacture them. They still import from Iran. The demand far exceeds the supply.

and europeen refused to be clear that the 12 days war was started by the usa is Israel.

What are you talking about? Everyone in Europe is saying that USA and Israel started the war.

"Ukraine truly wants to see a free Iran that will not cooperate with Russia or destabilize the Middle East, Europe, and the world. I am grateful to the Crown Prince for his clear assurances of support for Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity. Our teams will remain in communication," Zelensky said.

That's what he said after the meeting. I doubt the US and Israel will stop their war with Iran until they get everything they want or until there's no Iran left. Not unless someone makes them. And Europe is not going to start a war with the US over Iran.

The purpose of Zelenaky meeting with him, an opposition leader, was to try and ensure their support of Russia would sieze if he is selected as the new leader. So to say there's zero advantage is just not true. Though we could probably argue and speculate what level of advantage it would generate, it is an easy risk free move to make with zero disadvantage.

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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago*

I know they can manufacture them. They still import from Iran. The demand far exceeds the supply.

The opposite . Russia building capabilities are high and is exporting the improved drones to Iran

What are you talking about? Everyone in Europe is saying that USA and Israel started the war.

Europe blamed the whole war on Iran and repeated the lie about Iran trying to create nukes . Even now they keep putting pressure on Iran instead of who started the war. I will not get fooled twice , just because they don't participate in strikes it doesn't mean they are not assisting the war just like they did during the Iraq war. Intel sharing is even more important than military power. Bomb was seen loaded in uk military bases

The purpose of Zelenaky meeting with him, an opposition leader, was to try and ensure their support of Russia would sieze if he is selected as the new leader. So to say there’s zero advantage is just not true. Though we could probably argue and speculate what level of advantage it would generate, it is an easy risk free move to make with zero disadvantage.

Again Reza is not popular and would follow his father policies of oppressing , torturing, raping and killing opponents. You are really overexaggerating Iran importance to Russia in 2026

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