Silver lining:
Conservatives have learned absolutely nothing from the failures of the D.A.R.E. program...
Silver lining:
Conservatives have learned absolutely nothing from the failures of the D.A.R.E. program...
Funny how "communism always fails on its own" or "is a failed ideology", yet is/was so significant, that it has to have it own special section.
And also an embargo and constantly plagued by the US.
Or that it has to be taught as an "inherently authoritarian ideology" and/or that it means .
"The socialist housing plan" tweet hahah
npc wojak.jpg
"Cheap housing in urban areas bad. Suburban sprawl with McMansions good."
When china does it, bad. When america does it, based
Both still bad for conservatives. Also in Europe too, NIMBYs here whine about commie blocks not having "kitchen gardens", which is Europe's golf grass, but at least there's no HOA to force you to grow onions and grass flavored tomatoes in your garden, only societal pressure (which loosened a lot).
not having "kitchen gardens"
They really whine about that?
The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”
https://www.kesterbrewin.com/2025/01/26/14-hallmarks-of-fascism/
Some polticail staffer from PragerU at a high school teaching kids.
PragerU staffer walks in and grabs a chair turns it backwards. Turns their baseball cap backwards
"For real, we bussin about the evils of communism. We capping 67 about how communism punishes billionaires. We going to ohio all over capitalism."
As soon as I saw the headline, I said, "I hope this is exactly as effective as D.A.R.E."
I'm a GenXer and I have literally been fed anti-communist propaganda since I was a very small child. It's only in the last 20 years or so that I finally "woke up" and realized how absolute bullshit it all really is.
I don't think this is necessarily due to age. I think it's just that circumstances have made capitalism look so bad that you realize that the propaganda was exactly that.
Also gen X & I remember always playing as the U.S.S.R. in any game that let me choose because of the absolute banger of a national anthem!
I went to one of the very posh UK universities where they're split into smaller colleges, and my friend's college would play the Soviet National anthem at the end of every big party that was hosted in the college bar. The college student union had even passed a motion mandating that.
It was a surreal experience to see. A large chunk of people loved this tradition, but for very different reasons. There were a decent number who were straight up communists (or at least sufficiently left wing that they loved the political subversiveness of celebrating this song at such a posh university); Some people liked it ironically, for the meme (of the anthem-enjoyers, this faction were typically the poshest of the bunch); meanwhile, some people just thought the song was a banger — in my view, on this matter, these were the most based of them
The Civ 1 music was menacing and awesome. It reminded me of the Imperial March from The Empire Strikes Back.
first, so theres no confusion. i am against this program and its a facist move. i want to take a detour on your comment.
this article is more about socialism but people always confuse the two. i am a capitalist who believes in socialist programs. i believe in public health care, free public schooling (include universoty), and universal basic income. please use mybtaxes to pay for all of it.
capitalism is about owning your own busisness, ehich i agree with and does not conflict with everything socialism. not everything needs to be privately owned but we should have the freedom to privately own a business.
but your comment wasnt on socislism but communism. i have an honest question and not a snarky one, if you really love communism, why not move to a communist country? i genuinely want to know. communism doesnt support private property either and thats very important to me. i am also genx and for most of my kife, i have been happy with my country. my ideal president was barrack obama.
now that this country is becoming religous facist at the highest levels, i have thought aboit leaving so again , i wasnt being snarky. if i loved communism, i wouod have left.
sorry for the long comment, i judt hope you see i have a genuine curiosity, which is hard to communicate in a forum.
i have an honest question and not a snarky one, if you really love communism, why not move to a communist country?
You say this is honest, but this question has never been asked in good faith. Is the only reason you live where you live because the economic system it uses? Do you have no ties to the area besides? No family or history, or national pride? No job or property, or friends, or anything else? Do you speak every language and are accepted by and accepting of every culture, so you can just go anywhere and feel at home?
Anyone who asks this can fuck right off. At minimum, seeing issues and wanting to fix them for other people is enough of a reason to stay and try to change things. If you can't see why people don't want to uproot their lives to go somewhere else, even if that somewhere else existed and was exactly what they wanted, you aren't actually being honest.
ibwas being honest and said that i am thinking of moving, depending on how midterms go. i do tjink changing things for the better isbworthbstaying but I don't think communism is for the better. its not in the identoty, which is why I asked. since i am contemplating leaving witht the facist direction this country is taking , i wanted to know their reason
if you really love communism, why not move to a communist country?
First, there are no truly communist countries. Just authoritarian ones that use communism as a method of control. And now we live in an authoritarian country that uses capitalism as a method of control.
I also didn't say anything about "loving communism", whatever that is supposed to mean.
Prager U doesn't make a distinction between socialism and communism. That's the same propaganda we all got growing up in the 70's, 80's, and 90's. Conflating one thing with another. And that is the problem. Prager U is going to tell kids that paying taxes so that a poor person can eat is communism and taking your property away to give it to someone who doesn't want to work for a living. They're going to tell kids that taxing rich people will prevent them from having enough money to create jobs for good hard working Americans. And that giving things away for free will make people not want to work.
These are the same lies we grew up with. Only with the failed state of the USSR as a "good example" of how communism(socialism) always fails. Ignoring the fact that it was deep corruption and authoritarian rule that actually destroyed the USSR.
Edit:
capitalism is about owning your own busisness
No, it is not. It's about using the labor of other people to enrich yourself.
capitalism is about owning your own busisness
No, it is not. It’s about using the labor of other people to enrich yourself.
Maybe it's about acquiring capital.
no capitalism is and only is, the private ownership of commerce
Presumably the best way to fight Israeli genocide is outside of Israel;
the best way to fight Uighur genocide is outside of the PRC;
the best way to fight Iranian theo-fascism is outside of Iran;
and the best way to fight capitalism, is outside of a capitalist country.
One could go to, say, Cuba, or North Korea, or any country one thinks is truly, or at least mostly, Communist, or maybe a rebel-held area, and fight against capitalism and/or build socialism.
They will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.

FWIW, I got it from wp:Persecution of Uyghurs in China; though yes, both the extreme left and extreme right tend not to like Wikipedia.
As it's a non-free image, I think it's intentionally degraded in order to better argue fair use.
Also, FWIW for any lurker: wp:Adrian Zenz.
Maybe the Uighur genocide should be put into wv:Category:Wikidebates.
The Guantanamo detentions are, of course, unjust, as was the state-sanctioned murder of Osama bin Ladan (who should have been tried in the US proper, with Bill of Rights followed (but alas, Obama had an election to win)).
That said, I don't think 100 000s, much less millions, have gone to re-education camps in Guantanamo;
and yes, the Chinese commies will say that the Uighurs weren't extracted from Central Asia, like America has extracted many from that area—I'll grant them that; but as I'm a bit sympathetic to anarchism and at times regard nation-states as fictions, state cults, with 100s of millions of adherents, it's somewhat of a moot point to me.
It's like the current US-Iran war: they're both wrong, and I wish neither Trump and Hegseth, nor the theo-fascists who rule Iran, success.
Indeed, ALL the anti-China Uyghur propaganda traces back to ‘guided by God’ Adrian Zenz.
Are you saying that if it wasn't for him, all this talk about the Uighur genocide wouldn't be going on?
And wikipedia is indeed garbage for anything political since it’s easily manipulated and astroturfed.
Could you provide ≥3 examples of easy manipulation and astroturfing, please?
Are you saying when Wikipedia says mean things about Hitler or Trump, I shouldn't believe it?
Does knowing that simple fact make you extreme?
Is it a simple fact?
That said, I don’t think 100 000s, much less millions, have gone to re-education camps in Guantanamo
I’m sure you have evidence for those numbers.
I don't, which of course necessarily means that millions indeed have gone to re-education camps in Guantanamo. 😏
Palestine is massively controlled and has much lower smartphone ownership rate.
I think Israel, as bad as it is, has (or at least until recently had) freer speech than the PRC. Hamas can probably smuggle things out. Also presumably if one went 20 km east or west from any part of Gaza or the West Bank, one would be either in Israel proper, the Mediterranean, or Jordan.
Travel 10x that distance from Ürümqi, and one will probably still be in the PRC.
I wonder if a chip could be inserted into a baseball and thrown over the wall into Israel.
Because they have criminals like everywhere else.
and probably real criminals mixed in with those who are persecuted politically.
Thank you for the link.
There is evidence indicating that ETIM members also took steps to plan attacks against the interests of the United States, including the United States Embassy in Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan.
Some of these articles look interesting. I might read them.
wp:East Turkestan independence movement
wp:East Turkestan People's Revolutionary Party
wp:United Revolutionary Front of East Turkestan
Also, how does the West fund Uighurs, with China's ubiquitous surveillance?
If they really got Bin Laden after 15 years I’m sure they would’ve showned the videos of the heroic raid all day long.
Okay, good point.
So are you saying that bin Laden's still alive?
Does Wikipedia has anything to say about this (even though you say it's "indeed garbage for anything political")? Let's see:
wp:Osama bin Laden death conspiracy theories
I guess you think this article is garbage too.
(my bold)
And if you believe the batshit crazy story that they took his body but somehow for some reason decided to throw his body overboard I have some land to sell you.
You do?!? Please give me details!
And no, Iran is not wrong, only the aggressor the US.
Do you support the Islamo-fascists?
But anarchists wouldn’t know better and for some reason they always end up fighting some "authoritarian regime’ taking the side of the authoritarian imperialist western regime.
I ain't fighting for the US, though they seem to treat women, LGBTQIs, and those of other religions, or those with no religions, better, or far less badly, than they do in the theo-fascist ISLAMIC Republic of Iran. If citing that makes me a stooge of Western imperialism, then I guess that'd make me a Western imperialist.
But anyway you believe what you want and maybe you’ll inform yourself and possibly grow out of the edgy teen anarchist fase.
I think you misspelled "phase".
Bye
Goodnight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol9_0schMHs
2:01
😁🙂
You fail to provide the evidence of your claims as I asked and try to place the burden on me and deflect.
You mean when I put, "That said, I don’t think 100 000s, much less millions, have gone to re-education camps in Guantanamo;"?
Yeah, I don't have hard evidence for that.
I'll also say that Cuba's south of Tijuana, but I haven't checked a map to make sure.
Could you provide ≥3 examples of easy manipulation and astroturfing, please? Are you saying when Wikipedia says mean things about Hitler or Trump, I shouldn’t believe it?
See, that’s what I’m talking about, 2 of the known tricks.
1 return the question for evidence
2 the classic “are you saying…” followed by nonsense I didn’t say. (use of fallacies)
But I’ll answer you anyway since it’s easy.
That 13 year-old article seems to indicate that attempts were made, but doesn't seem to provide examples.
https://tankie.tube/w/48uvLWEKJM8fvSyiSupXf4
Tankie Tube?!? Why not. I wonder how many of its videos are also on Rumble and Bitchute.
But yeah, I suppose the Zionists are trying to influence Wikipedia. Ditto anti-Zionists.
I wonder how many times have they tried to edit articles such as wp:Gaza genocide.
By your standards, as it's from Wikipedia, it must be a garbage article.
https://x.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1626367075965960193
This links to Shitler!
Didn't some commies in the early days use swastikas?

But yeah, their existence alone justified the Russian invasion.
Ukrainians must bow to the Kremlin yet again.
Political Staffers Tried to Delete the Senate Scandal (and Other Bad Behaviour) from Wikipedia
This article is 12 years old.
They tried.
apparently:
192.197.82.203 made this edit:
Revision as of 17:36, 10 July 2013 edit undo
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pamela_Wallin&diff=prev&oldid=563694386
Revision as of 17:49, 10 July 2013 edit undo
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pamela_Wallin&diff=next&oldid=563694853
So I guess over 15 years ago this edit was reversed in under 13¼ minutes.
There are plenty more examples.
There are complete websites dedicated to exposing Wikipedia.
https://wikipediasucks.co/forum/
What about Wikireview?
Here's a frickin' long article:
Also, wp:Category:Criticism of Wikipedia has 18 pages and a subcat.
Hitler and the Nazis were also responsible for the deliberate killing of an estimated 19.3 million civilians and prisoners of war. In addition, 28.7 million soldiers and civilians died as a result of military action in the European theatre. The number of civilians killed during World War II was unprecedented in warfare, and the casualties make it the deadliest conflict in history.
What garbage! Don't you agree?
(Because, you know, as you put it, Wikipedia is garbage.)
Really anyone referring to WP as a credible source can’t be taken seriously. [ ... ] Simple mouthpieces and an insult to journalistic standards and conventions.
No offense, but while Wikipedia isn't gospel, it's quick enough for me.
Also, how does the West fund Uighurs, with China’s ubiquitous surveillance?
And here we go again with the propaganda claims of “ubiquitous surveillance”
Big Brother protects them.
How do Chinese people view surveillance cameras? #China
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pbdaFM4uvvQ
Think it’s hard to get money to groups?
How did they fund the Taliban, Somalian terrorists or their good friend, the headchopper Jolani in Syria?
Is it hard to fund them when they can even get from China all the way to Syria, where they to this day massacre minorities?
Red China probably has more and stricter border controls, has been around for several decades, and the government seems to control the population more.
So are you saying that bin Laden’s still alive?
Oh look, another “are you saying” fallacy followed by putting words into my mouth.
Yes, he’s hiding and sometimes seen with Elvis in Las Vegas!
In case you never noticed, this guy was old and never looked healthy.
He was a kidney patient and in those 15 years ‘missing’ he probably died of kidney failure.
So nothing spectacular or conspiracy theories.
This was reported by many sources, including his wives who said he had apparently recovered from two kidney operations.
Of course ‘US intelligence sources’ the most credible people on the planet deny this.
Otherwise their Hollywood capture mission wouldn’t fly.
First off, some might take issue with you calling someone under 55 years of age "old."
Not only do I hope that you celibate your 55th birthday, when it comes, as a person with much vigor and vitality, but that there's a good chance you will. (If you eat right, exercise, listen to your doctor, maybe take supplements, and don't be a terrorist, you might be able to run 100 meters in under 20 seconds and blow out all the candles in 2 tries, maybe 1.)
The way I figure it, you are denying that he died in that reported assassination, which means he either lived, or he died earlier, and I guess further that you're saying that he died earlier.
Okay.
I'm not going to argue this with you because it sounds a bit credible.
What if the US murdered him in their operation?
What if he died before?
What if he lived, perhaps still lives, either quietly, or in some black room?
Does it change my view of the US?
Not really.
Thank you for your valid points in this.
I'll keep it in mind.
If you really are acting in good faith I suggest you inform yourself better and look up multiple and credible sources before you make claims and form an opinion.
Yes, but I have a life to live, and perhaps time spent on such research, while perhaps fruitful, might yet be better spent on other things.
Maybe let them cook, if this is as moronic as it sounds, it could turn out like D.A.R.E.
Anti-communist education works weirdly well, and it might include boring-ass liberalism as a "genocidal ideology", but not due to complicitness in wars, but due to abortion, etc.
I think anti-communist education works much better when a.) the majority of people aren't suffering massively under capitalism and b.) when you don't have a collapsing "communist" nation across the pond with which to say "We told you so!". It's way easier to point to the wonders of capitalism when you see people pulling themselves out of poverty by working their 9-5 factory job and raising 4 kids on a single income, and much harder when that system is now making you finance a $5 burrito, with interest.
Remember, kids: if communism is evil and communism is "taking your hard-earned money away and giving it to people who don't work hard enough," then it's your duty to demand the government stops those communist bailouts given to corporations that won't support themselves.
"You see, kids. The free market can be a harsh teacher, but it is a good teacher, and while Altman will whine and cry about not getting any government money, what he needs is to learn a definite lesson from the free market—for his own good, for our own good, for the good of the American economy."
This country hasn't been at risk of going communist in eighty years. The right are such scared fucking babies.
Kind of like the DARE program taught kids to do drugs this will backfire and create communist.
We're already in the Red Scare III™️
This is the beginning of the cleanse.
DARE probably got a lot of kid's parents thrown in jail.
Let's not forget the foster children to didler pipeline that is apparently foundational to the modern conservative movement.
We have to get these kids isolated and institutionalized so the rich people can abuse them. The orphan crushing machine needs blood.
I could actually sell this: "Communism is way less fun than drugs, kids."
The Dare program I went through must have been wildly different than everyone else's. Our police were local and usually parents of students and it was way more targeted at being safe and not feeling pressured into taking drugs. It def pushed the legal side of heavier drugs but was very specific about marijuana and making sure you are safe and in a safe place if you end up taking it. I'm 42 for reference.
DARE programs were notoriously ineffective. Some studies found that students who went through it were MORE likely to try drugs.
I also had a fairly friendly cop come in for our DARE classes when I was a kid. They also basically just said "drugs are always bad, just say no, if you don't your whole life is ruined."
They didn't talk about why people use drugs. They lied or exaggerated negative effects. They discouraged any critical thinking about it. It was not a good program.
Ours definitely didn't convey anything about "make sure you are in a safe space if you end up taking it", it was fully "don't do it, it's evil!" and was so over the top that it definitely backfired for many kids. I also think that their practice of showing kids sealed samples of said drugs de-mystified them and made some kids curious.
DARE did a little program in our cafeteria. There was a cop at a table with various drug things on it, including a big bag of weed. My friends and I walked by and I commented appreciatively,"Now THAT is a big bag of weed!" And the cop, in full serious cop mode, said in a dead serious voice,"Yeah. That's enough to KILL YA!" We laughed and walked away. The whole thing was so stupid.
My DARE program had the cop dads but none of the safety and safe place stuff. I would attribute it to the mixed racial makeup of my district, if the comparison stands up to yours. The DARE cops talked about gangs more than anything.
Using schools for political indoctrination, misinformation, and propaganda in violation of student and teachers Constitutional rights? Yes, that sounds like Florida.
Every school in the country has always been used for indoctrination, misinformation, and propaganda. It's just what capitalists have to do to convince everybody to support a system that benefits the rich at the expense of everyone else.
Suggest an alternative that actually works? The Nordic countries and those with pension/single payer are also capitalist.
A healthcare/retirement system doesn't change your economic model unless you did something really wrong (like the United States did).
Socialism and communism have had far better outcomes for the majority of people. Not without mistakes or abuses of power, but even if we take the most dubious and exaggerated of accusations of communist atrocities at face value, they still pale at the casual everyday waste of life under capitalism.
You realize at this point communism almost doesn't exist anymore, right?
I mean technically communism has never existed because it specifically refers to a stateless, classless, and moneyless society. Socialism is the intermediate step where workers control the means of production in order to build communism.
But most people leave pedantry in the classroom and understand that the two terms are basically interchangeable in everyday context.
And FYI, the strongest economy in the world right now is socialist.
Had a friend's son tell me, very insistently, that Kim Jong Un convinced everyone in his county that he doesn't poop. Also, that he's planning to nuke South Korea, and we need to do something to stop him.
This was a kid with very liberal parents going to a very liberal middle school.
Red Scare shit is already everywhere. But I guess we've got to keep cranking the hysteria up to 11
I heard that one about Kim a few times, alongside some more crazy "What the people actually believe" and it scares me. Do some actually believe such obvious nonsense, or are they all loudly claiming to believe it knowing the consequences for wrongthink? Do they think they're the only ones with a working brain and everyone else is brainwashed, or do they understand they're all in the same boat?
Or maybe is none of it real, I'll be honest I cant even prove North Korea even exists, I've only seen it on maps and on TV, on the same medium that brought me Ghost busters.
The hyper capitalist south is by no means great but I’d rather that than a disappearance state with cardboard walls. Authoritarianism is bad regardless of economic structure.
Yes, because north Koreans must have a gene for authoritarianism or something. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with having all of its towns destroyed and 20% of its population killed by the US in a savage bombing campaign where more bombs were dropped than in the entirety of WW2, and have been under a deathly and relentless imperialist siege since.
I’d rather that than a disappearance state with cardboard walls
Would be crazy if South Korea had a massive, brutal police state or a long history of improvised slums and ruthless exploitation of it's citizenry.
Good thing we're sanctioning North Korea to the hilt, guaranting none of those horrible practices become common place throughout the Western aligned Asian states
Capitalism is what enables that very authoritarianism.
When the proletariat and bourgeoise start becoming dissatisfied, distract with a fabricated crisis and blame another group, splitting them apart. --> oligarchy furthers and the bourgeoise and proletariat are further impoverished. This goes together with an increasingly large police apparatus and surveillance capitalism.
Two main outcomes arise:
Either the bourgeoise takes matters in their own hands, supported by the oligarchy; and fascism arises. The oligarchy supports this, as it allows themselves to concentrate the proletariat into trade unions fully appointed by them.
Or, the proletariat takes matters into their hands, and liberate themselves from the chains of capitalism and fascism. But the capitalist oligarchy, again, might attempt to subvert that revolution, by supporting conservative and authoritarian elements for propaganda purposes; they will back oil, coal, and gas industries, rather than renewables, as the former ones are often headed or governed by pro-fascist leaders.
But the red path between brown fascism and gold greed, that narrow path of communism and socialism, is the path of liberation; the path in where the proletariat liberates itself from both fascism and capitalism, and defeats authoritarianism. The Rojava, the Zapatista, the Makhnovishna, Frisian freedom, and Free Catalonia, have shown us that such a path is very much possible.
"Stop indoctrinating the children"
Uhh? So, like... Fascism propaganda classes?
Are they located at lake Laogai?
I already kind of wrote off any kids raised in Florida. It’s like Mississippi or Alabama at this point.
As a Mississippi communist I resemble this statement.
Unfortunately they all grow up into Florida Man and Florida Woman in the end.
Other states should require to disclose the if you are coming from those states so you can be quarantined as someone with mental issues.
If I'm anti-anti-communist, then I'm a communist.
And by that logic, if you're anti-anti-facsist, the you are a fascist.
If I'm anti-anti-communist, then I'm a communist
Logically, yes, but we both know that "anticommunism" in the US is less about ideology and more about favoring US economic, political, and military imperialism regardless of how.
So even though I'm not a communist, I'm 100% anti-anticommunist.
if you're anti-anti-facsist, the you are a fascist.
That one's true, though.
You can really smell the desperation in the air. The only reason to do this is because they know they're pushing people to their breaking points.
Let's hope it works exactly as well as the state mandated abstinence only sex education, which is to say backfiring due to kids inherent rebelliousness
Hungarian here, we technically had those, and was one of the reasons why we got Fidesz.
People literally thought Gyurcsány will outlaw free expression, because people thought economic individualism of the eighties meant "free expression".
We weren't told, that the nazis used false pretenses to justify their atrocities, which got exploited by the right.
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