me like use nano. nano say how do thing. nano exit easy.

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[–] 148 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Vim users: "I feel bad for you"

Nano users: "I don't think about you at all"

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  • [–] 178 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The image is misleading. The brain sizes represent the amount of grey matter it takes to operate the editor. The nano guy has plenty of brain power left over for things like hygiene, breathing and basic reasoning.

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  • [–] 61 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    I do appreciate this in nano. It helps me complete the new container config occasionally required to install vim.

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  • [–] 39 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    I'm team nano, I'm not smart enough to use the other two and for whenever I need to open a text file in terminal only environment once every year I can remember how to navigate nano. So I'll keep using nano.

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  • It has nothing to do with intelligence. vi and emacs are just rote memorization and also endless installation of plugins and configuration. They are slow to pick up, but very powerful and also ergonomic once you know what to do.

    A modern GUI like CSCode is faster to pickup and immediately very powerful.

    A good emacs or vim configuration tailored to your needs can stay with you for decades. It’s stable, reliable, and does everything already. vim has released less than one point update per year for more than 2 years. During that time Sublime and VSCode had dozens, if not hundreds.

    For most people the choice of editor doesn’t make a huge difference. They spend far more time reading than writing code.

    Nano is the right choice for you.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I use emacs but it's only convenient to me with a lot of custom stuff on top. Vanilla emacs tho, hell no.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    neovim user (inside zellij) and same. More of a full blown IDE than an editor.

    Also for the keybind memory impaired like myself:

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Yep, I’ve gradually gone from using vim motions in VSCode to using Neovim with basically all the functionality I need for backend (.NET and TypeScript) and infrastructure work.

    There are still some things I have to rebuild some muscle memory for, but it’s been great. I haven’t made it to zellij yet but that’s the next step.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Yes. It's newby-friendly, what is great for the time every 2 or 3 years that it opens in my face and there's no alternative editor installed.

    Copy and paste are there too, but there's no reason to use them instead of the terminal buffer, so I can edit things in an editor I like. I just wish it made it easier to delete several lines at the same time.

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  • [–] 29 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    nano is just a text editor, I use it as a text editor, it has keybindings on screen by default, no need to config or memorise, why bother? (for text editing, not whatever people use vim or emacs for)

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  • [–] 29 points 8 months ago (12 children)

    I use micro. It's 1000x better.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Pico...I'm going the wrong direction

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    Doesn't come standard like nano tho for a lot of distros

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    barely an inconvenience, you're one curl away from it

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  • [–] 35 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I love nano. I used to do tech support for a Linux-based content management system (before SAaS take took off).. The customer sysadmins were sometimes whichever engineer was volun-told to do it, so competency varied wildly.

    I helped mostly with installs. This might be the poor newbie sysadmin's first time on the command line. Nano was my go-to suggestion for editing config files--all the commands are right there! Much less intimidating than vi or emacs for a newbie.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I used some distro with vim back in the day and I just kept using it. I lose my shit when I use something with just nano and my muscle memory tries to do a vim thing.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I try to ctrl+x ctrl+c in things that aren't Emacs. Whichever you choose you eventually learn it well and it seems so easy that it's hard to see what the advantage of an alternative might be good for

    No one can argue against you as you know how to use the tool. Vi and Emacs are both perfectly capable editors, both have been used to make huge amounts of code. Both are great for updating configuration files, both beat the simple editors when it comes to syntex highlighting and encouraging correct updates

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (5 children)
  • Helix is my favorite, it does everything I want a text editor to do and it's much more intuitive than vim/nvim. I was never a power user of either so I'm sure it's missing plenty of functionality that nvim users are used to but it's perfect for my use cases.

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  • [–] 48 points 8 months ago (24 children)

    Never ceases to amaze me how people get so exercised over a text editor.

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  • [–] 40 points 8 months ago (18 children)

    I remember the time when Linux jokes were about audio drivers and X11 config files, but audio has long been working out of the box, and X11 is already dead and cremated.

    Even recompiling kernel now takes around five minutes instead of two hours, so that joke is irrelevant too.

    So all we are left with is timeless discussion of which text editor is the best, and dumping on Windows.

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    This has been a lighthearted fake rivalry for as long as these text editors have existed.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    That's because we all know which is the obvious superior text editor.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    So all we are left with is timeless discussion of which text editor is the best,

    Gnome sucks!

    Ducks and runs away

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    Real answer: those things matter to me because a quick frictionless experience very heavily dependant on muscle memory really helps with my ADHD. Laggy interfaces, having to hold left key for several seconds, and similar issues quickly pull my out of my train of thought.

    It's not about shaving 2 minutes off my day, it's about not interrupting the flow.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Most tradespeople will have favoured tools. It might be for woodworking, plumbing, electrics, plastering or writing code.

    There's little point in being tribal about it, but conversations will happen.

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  • [+] 29 points 8 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Some real talk.

    Can we just include the 4 most popular text editors on basic systems??

    Like i wanna scream when there isnt my text editor installed on a lightweight distro.

    Vi Emacs Micro Nano

    For context,

    Debian ships with nano and vi Openwrt only ships with nano

    Like cant we just include small editors. In a perfect world i would want neovim installed. But i understand its larger and has alot more dependency's.

    So having VI isnt as good but im willing to be reasonable.

    JUST INCLUDE VI

    the reason i learned vim is because VI is installed by default on almost every distro.

    Im tempted to try emacs tho

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago

    I don't get why there's so much prejudice towards nano users in the Linux community, people act like nano is useless but it performs its job well, and it does it without being large or overly complicated.

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 8 months ago* (10 children)

    bash: ed: command not found

    WHERE GOD NOW?

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    What sins have you committed on your system to remove ed?

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    fastfetch | grep ackage
    Packages: 2530 (dpkg), 21 (flatpak)

    me no remove package. me start with vanilla debian install. no need gui until me choose to install gui.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Please file a bug with the Debian maintainers.

    How are people supposed to edit files without the standard editor?

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    with nano? /uj maybe it was an option during the install, IDK, I don't want to bother the folks with a suspicion and a shitty memory, nor do I want to reinstall deb somewhere else

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I was joking, definitely don’t write them to install an editor that’s obsolete.

    sed and grep (both inspired by ed) to do most of what ed does in a modern way, and ed was only useful over teletype when it was slow/expensive to render a scrollable field.

    All modern TTYs support scroll regions, and with sed it just doesn’t make sense to use ed anymore.

    ed as the standard editor is mostly a meme based on this page https://wiki.c2.com/?EdIsTheStandardTextEditor

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Honestly nano is perfect for quick edits. Vim and Emacs are powerful, but sometimes you just want to open a config file, change one line, and exit without fighting the editor. 😄

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