Just put a "not for use in the state of California" disclaimer somewhere. Then automatically set every user's birthday to January 1st, 1970.
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California does not make laws for the entire country or the entire world. Perhaps "Linux" should be distributed from elsewhere and offer zero compliance, from a location outside CA jurisdiction. I know there are some distros that are published from the EU for example.
There are several people who work on linux who live in California who thus are subject to California laws. There are people who don't live in California who sometimes travel to California and thus could be subject to those laws at times (see a lawyer)
Unenforceable and lacking jurisdiction.
It being unenforceable is part of the ploy. It means moneyful entities, like say Microslop or a Christofascist national church, can harass developers aligned with non-rightwing principles via lawsuits. They don't have to prosper, they just have to cause a cost in money and quality-of-life.
You know why they're quiet? Because they don't answer to anybody.
Do it. See what happens with the internet when suddenly no Linux will boot without manual intervention.
Roughly 1 in 8 Americans are Californians.
As is this bill is waaaay too broad. It seems the legislative body recognizes that so hopefully there will be a significantly narrower definition for what applications require age assurance. If you live in Cali call your state reps, and voice your concerns! I do like the idea of age verification via device attestation, way less invasive than uploading a pic of your ID to some chuckle-fuck 3rd party that is gonna get hacked. I would like no age verification being forced, but it looks like that is not gonna happen.
it looks like that is not gonna happen.
It is if we avoid products and people associated with this. Warn the people.
But I don't live in California and my people are petty as fuck. Try to buy a coke in Newfoundland for the last 40 years.
Because nobody is going to comply, it will go completely unenforced, and nothing will happen.
LOL login command line....
Error can I see your face please?
Nah! I got no camera and this is CLI.
Hmm okay, I guess.
At this point, I'm waiting for Europe to fork Linux if this happens
Software is speech and fuck anyone who tries to compel speech.
Then how does it sound?
Good luck with that, I guess California will exclusively use Windows then.
I can't imagine they'll enforce this on every flavor of Linux. Also, pretty sure it's just asking for a box where you enter your own age at installation. Nothing even verifiable. What would the penalty for not doing it even be?
What would the penalty for not doing it even be?
$2500 fine for negligent failure to do it.
$7500 fine for deliberate failure to do it.
With increasing penalties and enforcement mechanisms for continued noncompliance.
Will they be able to enforce those fines on anyone outside of California? Maybe, maybe not. Remains to be seen. May depend on your local jurisdiction's level of cooperation.
For the OS dev or the user?
For the developer.
It's a pretty wild thing to attempt enforcing here. It's not like kids don't actually immediately find the work-around for this stuff. And this one doesn't appear to be anything more than an age tied to the user account of your OS. Simple to move around.
But this "for the kids" crap is always lip-service at best, and something more nefarious at worst. The US foster care system is a prime example of that kind of thing gone rampant.
And this one doesn’t appear to be anything more than an age tied to the user account of your OS. Simple to move around.
I think the concept is that when a parent sets up a device for their child, they'll enter the child's age during the setup process, not giving the child an opportunity to lie about it.
But, yeah, there will be numerous ways around it, for sure.
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Factory reset the device and redo the setup with a different age.
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Run a VM inside the device and set up the VM with a different age so they can access restricted content from within the VM.
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High possibility of nefarious online services/apps being developed that take the age string sent by your OS/browser to websites, intercept it, and change it before sending it out. (And probably track you while doing so.)
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Simply access smaller and/or international websites that don't ask your OS/browser for your age.
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Find adult content on websites/services (like Roblox) that are supposedly child-friendly, but have poor content moderation and a lot of adult content.
... just to name a few obvious ones.
Also ... I really wonder if developers will think to increase the user's age over time or not.
Like... If you enter your age as 16, then use the device for 5 years, will it update your age to 18 after two years and therefore change it to an 'over 18' age string?
And what about just creating another user account under the same OS? I guess the parents could password lock access to other accounts and keep a child account from being able to create a new one, but I've met parents and their lack of basic technical understanding.
All I hear is parents in politics are "too busy" to setup adult blocking on there kids devices. Witch means these parents shouldn't have kids if u can't parent and research how to do the setup for setting the age content on Apple and microsoft and android platforums. Its all a google search away but i guess it easier to make laws for developers than to be a parent ? .Well as I see it Texas blocked Pornhub like turning on a light switch ,I say we just block CA from the rest of the USA if parents can't parent or these "adults" that can't parent need to get better on their pull out game or put on a condom not my problem you can't parent ur cum pets.
Here's the thing, open source is big business for the likes of Canonical and Red Hat. There is no need for any of this to be in the linux kernel, or even in the window system. It is a pretty trivial feature to implement as a simple add on, and those who sell Linux based OSes and support contracts will ensure that they can continue to do business in a market as large as California. The law is clearly not perfect, but it's also not awful. My understanding is that it does not mandate any kind of age verification, only age declaration. The idea is to let a porn website or similar ask the browser "Is the user 18 or older" and get a response based on an age provided when the user account was created.
If you accept that there is content on-line which small children should not access, then it follows that some type of age verification beyond "Click here only if you're old enough" is necessary. Something like this, baked into the browser and/or OS, is kind of the least bad option. When you look at the kind of AI age verification garbage some web sites and apps are starting to do, an age signal baked into the OS actually starts to look pretty good. If this gets adopted widely and sites start to take advantage of it to skip the "I'm totally old enough" button, I'll be happy to tell my OS what my birthday is... Jan 1, 1970.
If you accept that there is content on-line which small children should not access, then it follows that some type of age verification beyond “Click here only if you’re old enough” is necessary.
No, that does not necessarily follow.
This is shifting responsibility for children away from the parents and onto software developers. But an argument could be made that it's the parent's responsibility to monitor their child's internet usage and prevent them from accessing things they should not access.
How about, instead of fining software developers for allowing a child to access inappropriate content, we fine the child's parents for allowing their child to access inappropriate content?
Here's the thing, this doesn't apply only to "those who sell Linux based OSes and support contracts". Read the blog post again and my recent comments at https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/55723652/24217066 and I hope you'll see the problems. 😐
I agree that it's a poorly written law, I mean it was written by politicians who don't understand what an OS is. My main point is that something baked into the OS and browser is better for a handful of reasons than most of the other 'solutions' we're seeing.
This is still not good enough. Nobody but one woman is in jail for Epstein and you think this is for the children? We all need an account with an age signal? No ads or anything, promise.
First, the open source world isn't monolithic, by definition. Second, why should "the world" in general care about the plans from some unhinged regional policymakers from a country that bet on isolationism?
Second, why should “the world” in general care about the plans from some unhinged regional policymakers from a country that bet on isolationism?
Because they're afraid of getting fines issued against them from the state of California. $2,500 to $7,500. Depending on where your project is based, enforcement and collection of that fine might be difficult and unlikely ... but the chances of actually having to pay that fine probably aren't zero. And for a lot of open source projects even one instance of getting hit with a fine like that would far exceed their budget and force them to close down.
That's not how jurisdiction works, though. If you have a presence in California, sure that applies to you. Otherwise? California has no ability and no legitimacy under international laws to enforce this. Then there are bilateral treaties that muddy the waters, but that doesn't apply here on the basis that it's a state law and it can't apply retroactively. Also, IANAL and would love to hear from one.
Are people being fined by Saudia Arabia for making media depicting homosexuality in other countries?
Everybody go change your grub.cfg to change every entry title to read "I'm over 18 and I want to run Ubuntu" or "I'm over 18 and I want to run Arch".
Then add an "I'm under 18" entry that does the "halt" Grub command.
Flathab does lowkey need an optional 18+ toggle, I was like wow linux is great they should use this in schools, then saw some sextoy applications and was like yeah that would get that shutdown and swapped with something more appropriate real quick
Honestly the whole article comes across as fearslop that Lemmy will eat up
Tension with Open Source licensing
Not really, open source licenses make sure that if you can get the app, you can get the code, they don't typically require that your application MUST be available to children.
No central authority
Having an API that covered applications can hit and verify if the user is a child or not, doesn't require a central authority, that's good.
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