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[โ€“] 136 points 8 months ago* (25 children)

Do you have a few minutes to talk about our Lord and Saviour, Linus Torvalds?

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  • [โ€“] 38 points 8 months ago (24 children)
  • [โ€“] 78 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    The meme said Linux users, not GNU/Linux.

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  • [โ€“] 48 points 8 months ago* (4 children)

    It also said operating systems, not kernels.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    As a Linux n00b, now I need to know which is the kernel and which is the OS.

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  • For most users, kernel js kinda invisible. Whatever program you run interacts with the system via the kernel. Kernel manages hardware and links software with hardware.

    And all the other programs you can launch, built around the kernel which together make it functional is the rest of the OS.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The long and short of it is this:

    • Linux is the kernal, the bit of the OS responsible for interacting with hardware and organising processes that run
    • GNU packages are a collection of small software programs that are present in virtually every Linux distro (things like bash, grep, and libc) that are needed to make the OS do useful things.
    • together they make up "GNU/Linux", which is often shortened to simply Linux. Which is fine, people will understand what you're talking about from context, and only pedantic asshats will correct you in general conversation. This is the internet though and you're bound to run into a pedantic asshat from time to time.
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  • [โ€“] 1 point 8 months ago

    Thanks for this explanation. This was my understanding as well, except for the GNU part.

    I asked because the parent commenter directly above my first comment made the distinction between the operating system and the kernel. I wasn't actually sure what the overall umbrella "OS" was for Linux, since as you say the kernel is Linux while there are GNU packages. I can't really recall someone on Lemmy saying what exactly the operating system is for any given computer that happens to run Linux as the kernel.

    I guess this scratches at what the definition of an operating system is: Windows, macOS, or GNU/Linux. In reality, doesn't Windows run on the Unix kernel? Why don't we call it Windows/Unix then? Is Unix used with other "operating systems" that layer on top of the Unix kernel itself?

    I went to school for electrical engineering btw and had to take many classes about digital logic and all of the entry level stuff about PCs at a hardware level. Didn't really get taught much about what goes on top of the hardware aside from maybe microcontrollers with Assembly and C.

    Thanks anyways!

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  • [โ€“] 39 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    โœจ Linchard Starvalds โœจ

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  • [โ€“] 11 points 8 months ago (9 children)
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  • [โ€“] 3 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Ex-pedo? Iโ€™d half believe it.

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  • [โ€“] 20 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    ex-apologist. he's gone on record saying that his statements were based on ignorance and that he had talked to a child psychologist to learn more.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    What kind of statements were his?

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    That if someone freely gives consent but is underage, it's not immoral.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Ahh right.
    Perhaps he didn't consider the kinds of mind games people can play on kids (which even other kids can), which you don't need to worry about if you are just a random guy, but do need to, if you are controlling a community/country.

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  • [โ€“] 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    my theory is that he simply assumes nothing bad will happen from any situation until someone tells him otherwise. i will give him this though, he instantly changes his opinion when presented with new data.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    The Father -> Richard Stallman

    The Son -> Linus Torvalds

    The Holy Ghost -> GNU+Linux

    The Holy Temple -> Arch Linux

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  • [โ€“] 41 points 8 months ago (16 children)

    Linux people are polite enough to not react when I tell them I use Ubuntu.

    Windows people think I am a geeky nerd that knows how to code when I tell them I use Ubuntu.

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  • [โ€“] 23 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    If youโ€™ve been enjoying Ubuntu so far I randomly want to recommend Debian to you. โ˜บ๏ธ

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  • [+] 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)
  • [โ€“] 2 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    The only people that I know that use Debian are over 50 years old

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    Well, now you donโ€™t.

    Moving to Debian from Ubuntu was like moving from Windows to Linux again for me. It basically removes all the bloat and adware and just left the things I actually like, which I assume Ubuntu inherited from Debian anyway.

    But to be fair I just use my Debian machine for writing projects, research, and flash cards.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 8 months ago*

    I recently had a similar experience. I used Linux Mint for the longest time, which is ubuntu based. And I tried LMDE for a little bit recently.

    But then I decided to try straight Debian 13 w/ KDE Plasma. I absolutely love it, and I'm old enough that seeing

    starting Debian GNU/Linux
    

    just feels cozy and correct. Plus like you said the speed and stability are somehow even better, but that I had issues before.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    Monkeys, together strong

    Most if not all linux users i know irl use ubuntu and dont know much of other distros.

    I'm persuading some of turning to the right side of history and join Debian

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  • [โ€“] 51 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    I think if I were to spend the time analyzing my conversations over the last 6 months I would probably find I spend a lot of time having conversations about why people should explicitly never use a Windows OS.

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  • [โ€“] 9 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Oh damn, you're right!

    On another note: have you spent any time considering how to install Linux on ... literally everything?

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Puppy Linux will just about run on a potato.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    and probably like, really fast.

    all that sweet potato ram

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  • [โ€“] 20 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

    A friend of mine had a party at her place on the most recent new years eve, there were several people who I hadn't met before there and we quickly realised we were all Linux users and, of course, absolute fucking nerds (I mean that with pride and appreciation).
    She is very much not a nerd in that way and most others there weren't too. It took about 15 minutes before she threw her hands up in the air and said "guys, this isn't fun for anyone else, if you really need to only talk about operating systems and shit like that you'll have to leave. Everyone else wants to hang with you guys too but no one can if you keep this in-group thing going."
    And, yeah, we all understood her view. Of course we put up a playful fight though, first acting all disappointed and then saying "ok, ok, we'll leave then. Have fun being all boring and stuff without us cool kids" etc. which it took her a while to realise wasn't serious, heh.
    For the rest of the night we had to stop ourselves several times from getting back into it, both among ourselves and with other people. All of it was great though, and made some new Linux geek friends!

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    [โ€“] 16 points 8 months ago

    It's quite simple; we're trying to find our lost comrades. I had a magical moment when not one, but two people who joined my group on an MMO were using CachyOS. It's like meeting your triplets separated at birth.

    You only find out if you bring it up, lol.

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  • [โ€“] 13 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I'm willing to recommend Windows 10 to someone who considers "upgrading" to Windows 11.

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  • [โ€“] 12 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I remember seeing this meme a few years ago before I started using linux, and I showed this to a buddy and we were like "yeah lmao who the fuck goes around recommending OSs to people?".

    Today I think "who the fuck goes around recommending Windows to people?"

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 8 months ago

    Twelve years ago, when XP released, there was legitimately a decision to be made what with nine distinct versions of the OS available. That still hasn't stopped even in the modern day. So I could see people discussing exactly which version of Win10/11 they needed and then recommending others based on their experience.

    But it's sort of like the BMW that comes with a subscription to heated seats and ABS. Like, why would you subject yourselves to this kind of abuse in an OS?

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  • [โ€“] 10 points 8 months ago

    I try not to recommend Linux to everyone all the time, Iโ€™m trying very loudly.

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  • [โ€“] 9 points 8 months ago*

    Sloperating systems

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  • [โ€“] 8 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    I thought Linux was a way of life. Not an OS?

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    Maybe if there were a hundred different Windows 10s, and all of them were really good, we would be recommending Windows 10 distros to each other

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Have you guys hurd about the new release for 64bits... ๐Ÿ™ƒ

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    What timing, after seeing the news about Windows 12 yesterday, this morning I was considering starting a conversation with the researchers at work about pressuring the scientific instrument companies they buy from to support Linux. The one facility in the building that has Bruker instruments runs AlmaLinux, and they've been spared from all the pain.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    What was the news about windows?

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    That is based on an AI slop article full of unconfirmed rumors and clickbait.

    Stop spreading it like it is true.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 8 months ago

    Who are you to order me to stop doing what I wasn't doing? Windows 11 is such a giant piece of shit, that this kind of article rings too true. If anything, take it as a cautionary tale and change course so that Windows 12 (or whatever it's called) isn't worse.

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    TBF, almost everyone I work with uses Linux. There's virtually no conversation about it. It's just what it is, like even the weather is more deserving of discussion.

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 8 months ago

    I work a job at an airport assisting the elderly and disabled with wheelchair assistance.

    I cannot tell you, literally cannot tell you how many people sit in my wheelchair, and IMMEDIATELY start talking about the weather.

    Uggghhhhhh!

    I would be pleasantly surprised if the conversation instead was like this:

    "So, hows your day going?"

    "I murdered my wife and kids last night. Then I ate their corpses..."

    "Really? That's fantastic. Hey, what operating system are you using?"

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  • Ever since switching I've needed to hold myself back from mentioning it in every conversation. I thought it was a meme, but it's real!

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  • [โ€“] 9 points 8 months ago*

    They are using the wrong kind of Linux! My kind of Linux is superior, because itโ€™s broken in a different way and more difficult than yours.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 8 months ago

    That shit is funny

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Lol, I love Linux, but yeah... boy do I hate the Linux fans.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 8 months ago

    I'll talk Linux installs at a party but not windows. fellers gotta have standards.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 8 months ago

    How did you hear about us?

    i like when doctor offices ask this question. It seems so stupid to me.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 8 months ago*

    Windows 10 and Linux are pretty good

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Okay people: Win 10 is infinitely better than Win 11, so like if you're one of the few eccentric people that for some reason is required to use Win๐Ÿ…ฑ๏ธows

    Tap for spoilerOkay so previously I tried PopOS and it kinda works but when I tried playing games (tetr.io to be exact) my framerate is half of my monitor's refresh rate and I had no idea how to fix it and at the time I'm using absolutely proprietary software required for my university and dual booting is a nightmare to deal with for some reason with Windows; and then at one point I also tried Bazzite, and no matter what I did, tetr.io would always operate on my iGPU and not on my discrete GPU (thanks NoVIDIA!!1!), so after that I dunno I'll just probably stick to Win 10 until I got a proper PC, and that's a whole story to have and I don't want another yapping session about that

    then... there you go.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    For the problems you encountered: the refresh rate can be set in the monitor settings. If you can't go any higher, then there might be a problem with your graphics drivers. It is also important to add that Pop!OS is based on Ubuntu, which can take ages to implement modern changes. For Gaming I would generally recommend a rolling release distro, maybe it be OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, Fedora, etc... Otherwise you might not get the cutting edge tech that you need.

    As for Tetr.io: it seems to be a problem with Vulcan, namely that improperly configured drivers will use the iGPU by default. How do you install/run that game?

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 8 months ago*

    "How likely are you to recommend putting your hand up to the elbow in this wood chipper?"

    Like, if you're in the business of building PCs? I definitely understand swapping build tips with friends and colleagues. Even strictly within the "No Linux Allowed" space, there's no shortage of online tutorials and consultants recommending this or that version of Microsoft.

    But Win10 is going away and Win11 is so fucking bad...

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