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[–] 62 points 8 months ago

I use Firefox on all platforms.

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    [–] 16 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Firefox. I'm not happy with how Mozilla Corp is operating, but I'm not switching to a Firefox fork unless there's actual developer exodus (akin to what happened to OpenOffice/LibreOffice). Ultimately, at this stage, those forks depend on upstream Firefox developers for 99% of the work.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    wait wait, what happened to LibreOffice? I'm trying so hard to not give microsoft money ;-;

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago

    Don't worry, this is very old news.

    OpenOffice.org was basically stuck in a bureaucratic hell of their own and couldn't really do major decisions without the leaders' approval. I think Sun Microsystems/Oracle was involved.

    Some high up developers got basically kicked out by the governing folk, so they decided to start the Document Foundation to make LibreOffice, and vast majority of the developers followed. They were just happy to be actually able to do something.

    OpenOffice got donated to Apache Project and there's been very minimal maintenance on it ever since.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Ironfox on smartphone, Librewolf on desktop

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    Firefox, begrudgingly.

    It's the best browser from a performance standpoint, and has the features i want, but it's still a bit of a resource hog. It's just that everything else is worse (slower, lacking essential features, or most often both).

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    Firefox, Firefox developer edition, Firefox focus, waterfox, Fennec, and Tor

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    I use many, usually Firefox.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    I mainly use Firefox as it's the best non-chromium browser I'm aware of for both Linux and android. But I also have Vivaldi installed on Linux for the rare cases where something doesn't work in Firefox, Waterfox on some of my older android devices because Firefox no longer supports the versions of android they run, and I also have F-Droid's Fennec on one of my phones because it used to be my primary browser on android and I just never got around to switching to Firefox on that phone.

    For anyone wondering why I stopped using F-Droid's Fennec, it's just because at some point (possibly a few years ago) they announced that their browser was outdated and missing several security features from Firefox. It's possible that the browser is fully updated now, as it does seem to be receiving updates regularly, but I currently have no reason to switch back to using it as my primary browser on android. Now, if they were to revert the UI back to previous one, I'd have a reason to use it again. I really don't care for the UI both Firefox and Fennec have currently on android.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Floorp, a Firefox fork. It's fine, just trying it out.

    And Firefox on mobile.

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  • [+] 16 points 8 months ago (2 children)
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    I can't close tabs and have hundreds open (I have a problem). Between their workspaces that only show specific tabs, tab stacking, and tab memory management that kills the memory of any that I haven't used in a while so it's not absurdly slow… I don't think I could switch.

    edit: Also, it's EU based.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Firefox and emacs-w3m. I keep trying Nyxt but it hasn’t stuck yet.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    I use Librewolf almost always I try others just for comparison an fun, here are they:

    • Librewolf: I use it for its privacy defaults and because it comes with no bloat and no nonsense.

    • Konform Browser: A fork of Librewolf but based on Firefox ESR rather than the regular release and focusing in smaller settings improvements. I've talked to the developer and they are very nice and seem to fix issues rather quickly. By the looks of it I will be moving to this browser permantly.

    • Ungoogled Chromium: For testing webpages, like styles and stuff for my blog.

    • Glide Browser: Its basically the Vimium extension + BetterFox. It's stil in early developement and it looks promising. I prefer Librewolf settings better than Betterfox so this keeps me from using this one.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    Primary: Zen Browser.

    Reserve: Edge

    Zen was the beginning it was little odd but now I love it. Fast, feels great to use and no nonsense.

    I can't use either Zen or Firefox at work so there I use Edge. Edge is also a nice browser, I really like the sidebar for mail and drop.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I love Zen.

    I'm in the same situation with Edge at work, it's surprisingly not THAT bad. I'd probably use it over Chrome if ever the need to make that decision came up.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Vanadium on secure mobile and Trivalent on secure desktop, and a mix of Fennec/Firefox and Chromium where required on casual mobile/desktop/htpc

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Firefox. It's fine. The ai stuff is concerning , but nothing's caused me enough pain to switch yet

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Firefox, librewolf and thorium if I absolutely must touch filthy chromium.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Ironfox mobile, Librewolf desktop.

    Occasionlly Vivaldi if I have to use chromium for something on rare occasion.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    LibreWolf is the only right answer.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Daily driving Mullvad Browser now, it’s Firefox based and has strong anti-fingerprinting and privacy defaults - it does break some sites though and is missing some QoL features but that’s the price you pay.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    What results do you get on a fingerprint testing site like the eff one: https://coveryourtracks.eff.org

    LibreWolf says I have "strong" protection but it also says I'm unique which I don't understand. Like isn't the objective to not be unique ? Or does it mean something is being randomised so I'm unique every time?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

    Mullvad Browser:

    Your browser has a non-unique fingerprint

    Within our dataset of several hundred thousand visitors tested in the past 45 days, only one in 1041.72 browsers have the same fingerprint as yours.

    For comparison if I test in Firefox (configured as I was previously using) I get:

    Your browser has a unique fingerprint

    Your browser fingerprint appears to be unique among the 304,204 tested in the past 45 days.

    "Strong" protection means that your browser is configured to protect against tracking, both come back as strong here, but as far as I can tell that doesn't take into account tracking through fingerprinting. You're right, you don't want a unique fingerprint.

    When you customise and add extensions to your browser, you add to its fingerprint so even privacy extensions can be counterproductive. The way Mullvad Browser works is that because it comes ready configured for privacy with various privacy extensions (including UBo) installed by default you don't have to make changes. While this doesn't give you a "common" fingerprint exactly (hence "only one in 1041.72 browsers"), it makes you look like all the other Mullvad Browsers so there's safety in numbers. There are a few more nuances to it than that but that's basically the idea, and it's a balancing act, you could be less unique than that but you would need to make other compromises.

    The catch is that you shouldn't try to configure Mullvad Browser yourself since that negates the benefit; you have to be able to live with the browser as it is out of the box which may mean sacrificing some of your favourite extensions.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    So, uh... I think you're confidently incorrect on pretty much all of that.

    When your browser requests a web page it doesn't report what extensions you have installed. It does report plugins but those are not extensions. My report says about 66% of browsers have the same plugins as me.

    Ad blockers are a special case. Your browser doesn't tell the server you have Ubo installed but the server can detect an ad blocker if you're not requesting additional advertising related resources.

    Most of the other user end configurations aren't really going to effect your fingerprint either.

    It turns out that what I said earlier about intentional randomisation is correct. Firefox Resist Fingerprinting (RFP) which is enabled by LibreWolf randomises canvas results, so you're going to be unique for each fingerprinting attempt. That's just as good as being common.

    In my own case, my biggest weakness is the fonts I have installed as reported by my browser. I might look into that.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Oh fair enough, I'll re-examine some of that information. I don't think I'm completely wrong. Advice on not installing extensions to avoid adding to the fingerprint comes from the official Mullvad FAQ. The philosophy of making all users look the same to blend in is something inherited from Tor Browser.

    Mullvad also uses resist fingerprinting, yes canvas is unique every attempt. The EFF cover your tracks test doesn't penalise you for it, if you're coming up as unique there it's not because of that (some tests out there do though and Mullvad fails them). Having a randomised canvas itself may count as one data point I guess.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (14 children)

    Zen, at least until Ladybird is ready.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 8 months ago (11 children)
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    A new FOSS browser made by a complete and utter asshole

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    It makes me sad because initially I was so excited for Ladybird. Finally a new browser engine instead of another shitty chrome fork. Then I find out what and absolute douche canoe the developer was and killed all of my excitement.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children)

    He moved from Sweden to Silicon Valley, made a bunch of money, but came to hate the "limousine liberal" culture, and felt he was severely discriminated against (in a professional sense) as a hetero white man.

    So he left California, got sober, and went full time FOSS developer.

    He is an asshole because he now enforces a strict "anti-woke" policy among his contributors, and bans anyone who falls out of line. It's one thing to ban controversial or political topics, but his interpretation takes things way past any semblance of reason.

    A wild one i remember was when he banned someone for using singular they in some documentation, which has been a part of the English language since the Norman period at least. He said it was "political language".

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Dang, I was not aware of any of this. A quick search pulls up a bunch of stuff. I'll look more into it for sure, but come on, can't we just have nice things?

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah me too. Didn't know. Frustrated. I was hopeful that ladybird was going to save us.

    In fairness, the lemmy lead dev also has some... very strongly held ideological views incompatible with my own... yet here we are.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    I think there is a difference between having strong views and enforcing them on others, but also context is important.Also not all extreme views are equally harmful/harmless.

    I've also heard the Lemmy dev has some bad takes (to perhaps put it mildly) but i've found the community to be mostly quite civil

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    That's a fair point. I've moved away from lemmy instances for this reason, but if piefed didn't exist I'd reluctantly use another lemmy instance, but not lemmy.ml and won't participate there.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    See that was my idea till all the assholery happened. But if Ladybird is good and doesn’t require me to pay or see their shitty opinions I think I’d still use it. Cus to this day nothing feels better than a well configured hyprland to me at least

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Yeah it's a similar situation. Sometimes assholes make arguably good software.

    Also supposedly the Hyprland community has mellowed out in the last couple years. I can't confirm, but i hope it's true

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Firefox mainly and some forks (Floorp, Librefox, Fennex, Ironfox) also Vivaldi

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Mullvad on desktop rn

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Firefox

    If I need a Chrome based browser, such as for Keychron Assistant, I use Helium.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Wait, Keychron Assistant works on Chromium? Are you on Linux? Big if true, I thought it just didn't work on Linux period.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    It works in Helium and Edge, the two Chromium browsers I have used for such purposes. All my other browser usage is through Firefox.

    I did find THIS tutorial to get Keychron to work in Linux.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago
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    Waterfox and Zen. I switched to Waterfox a while ago and have had no problems with it. It's basically "Firefox minus AI," which is what I wanted it to be.

    I started trying out Zen Browser a few days ago, too. It's another Firefox fork, but Zen is more willing to try new things with the UI. So far I like it.

    So it's been Waterfox on Android and Zen on desktop lately. (Zen does not have an Android version.) They both support Firefox sync, and syncing works between the two of them. Pretty cool.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Firefox tweaked to the point it'd really make more sense to start with waterfox/librewolf if I didn't already have the momentum. Vivaldi is slicker, but I think it's important to support an engine besides chromium

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Zen on the desktop, Firefox on mobile. Zen has quickly surpassed what I thought it would be capable of, and it keeps adding awesome UI bangers that I wish Firefox would have though of decades ago.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago*

    Firefox for the most part. Ladybird whenever remember to build it, and the site I'm visiting isn't too complex.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Waterfox desktop, Fennec mobile

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Firefox on desktop with every non scummy blocker I can have on it.

    Samsung internet on my Zenfone with every non scummy blocker I can have on it.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Firefox at home, IronFox on mobile, and Edge at work (not really my choice, but works fine).

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  • I swapped to WaterFox for everything and I've been enjoying it so far.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago*

    Librewolf or Mullvad on desktop, Firefox on mobile. Downloaded Ecosia on mobile to try the search engine, so I’m trying out their browser too.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Zen is my default browser, is what I use on my Desktop and my Steam deck. I also use Firefox on mobile, cause there isnt a Zen mobile.

    I use Safari on my iPad with uBlock Origin lite to watch youtube.

    If I need to use a chromium browser, I currently have Helium installed, but I will probably grab Vivaldi as a backup browser.

    I dont really have any plans to change away from Zen and Firefox, works for everything that I need, and anything that doesnt I kinda just walk away from. I also love the Zen interface and workflow.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Firefox on Android and PC

    Orion on iPad

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Firefox on Android, iPad and PC.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I use Mullvad on my PC and Brave on my phone and tablet. (Please, don't hurt me fellow Lemmings)

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Firefox almost exclusively with the requisite plugins. Only using other browsers when a site requires it, like Safari on iOS, but that happens maybe 1-2 times a year. I don’t even have Chrome installed anymore.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    librewolf on my personal machine and firefox on my work machine (I'm only allowed vanilla firefox or chrome on there)

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Brave, Firefox focus, opera, and chrome(with js, cookies, and preloading turned off)

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Firefox. Vivaldi. Firefox for anything important.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    I use Waterfox on my laptop/desktop and Ironfox on my phone (with Chromium as a desktop backup, and Vanadium as a mobile back up)

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Right now I use Vivaldi on my work computer. For my personal devices (MacBook, iPhone, two iPads), I've been mainly using Kagi's Orion browser for about a year. It's a WebKit browser but even on iOS it can run (some) Chrome/Firefox extensions, which I think is pretty neat. I also dabble with iCab. It's a very eccentric browser with an interesting history that goes back to the 90s.

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    I use librewolf and ungoogled chromium all day every day.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Safari, Firefox, waterfox and Vivaldi.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Librewolf and fennec

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Vivaldi, as it isn't American.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Firefox-esr. This is the old stable branch of Firefox intended for corpo use. Solid, battle-tested.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    The last switch I made was on mobile I went from Brave (for ad blocking) to Firefox since Firefox for Mobile has extensions and I found a good cookie whitelisting extension.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 8 months ago

    Mac and iPhone: safari. Mac secondary: mullvad. Linux: waterfox

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Icecat for pc, lightning for phone

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    waterfox and librewolf mainly.
    links2 with -g if I am in a tty terminal.
    Dillo for my super-minimalist setups.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Netscape Navigator

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    Vivaldi, so far very happy with it!

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    How is it in terms of privacy?

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    I just had a quick search, I can be wrong so do not take these as facts but some parts seems to be open source and some UI parts closed, like many web browsers they get sone revenues from a start page but the owners seems very decent and advocates for internet privacy since the 1999.

    Also they are based in EU which i trust way more than US servers.

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