"We did that!" - Trump and Kegsbreath
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Where's all those "I did that" stickers?
Oh, bohoo. Those American gas guzzler riders would probably have a nervous breakdown at a European fuel station.
We have too many damned US-style “trucks” here in Australia now.
Our fuel prices have just crossed the equivalent of $5 USD/gallon ($1.90 AUD/litre); it will be interesting watching people squirm at the petrol pumps when the price inevitably increases another 50% or so.
War really is bad. My fuel is expensive now 😢
The gull of these Fucking terrorists
This is one of Iran's main goals, IMO. They need to get the US to back down through domestic and diplomatic pressure. This war is already unpopular, but gas prices increasing will affect people who otherwise don't give a shit about the morality of the situation, which is unfortunately quite a lot of US Americans. Hitting the wallet of the MAGA voter is fundamental.
I watched some local news yesterday where they covered the various explosions across the Middle East. They discussed the activity, the damage, the losses of life.... then they pivoted to a local news reflection on what this all would mean for us at the gas pumps. "Gas prices expected to rise" as the chief takeaway for us to ponder how it affects us, immediately after discussions of hundreds of human beings being literally exploded. Makes me sick.
the US mostly self sufficient with oil, big oil wants this war so they can make extra stupid money gaming the oil futures markets.
once you've reached end-stage capitalism, where there's no real room for organic growth, all that's left is rent-seeking and smashing windows to "increase liquidity" in the markets (from sane/smart actors who have to hedge, even if they do know it's all a game). the ones who don't see the full picture or are over-leveraged go out of business and act as distressed assets to be bought out by established players.
this is what republicans do every time they're in power, they're abject disaster capitalists, proud in their cruelty.
the US mostly self sufficient with oil
Yes, but they aren't completely isolated from changes in wholesale oil prices, if the price of oil goes up, the shale oil producers in the US are going to increase their prices too because they can, no?
I agree with everything else you wrote!
Price of fuel in the USA always shocks me. Closer to $8 a gallon here in the uk.
Yup, it jumped from. $2.90 to $3.50 near me today. I knew this would happen, glad I filled up yesterday.
$2.75 to $3.19 today. I'm betting on $3.75 by the end of the week.
Do you live in Alaska? It went from 3.80 to 4.40 overnight here in Oregon.
Bitch, I haven't seen $3 gas in a decade.
What's always funny is that pipeline interruptions don't really affect supply for many weeks. This is just panic pricing.
And as always, prices go up instantly but takes months to drop back down.
I was talking to the owner of an independent petrol station the other day who's petrol is usually a good 30% cheaper then the big chains.
I straight out asked him how he was able to consistently out compete them like this. He laughed and said it was because he wasn't greedy. He explained it was straight up greed at the retail level. Especially jacking the price up whenever the news said that oil prices had gone up.
That's $1.08/L CAD. Think about that Canadians. They are complaining because their gas went up to $1.08/L 😆😅. Fuckers have no idea how good they have it. And kinda puts a spotlight on how things are here in Canada....4th largest oil producer in the world 🙄
Yeah, but you guys pay more because it includes taxes which go towards things like health care. We pay way more when you take into account what we don't get.
US has gas taxes pay for roads.
Canada pays for roads through other taxes so that even people who don't use them pay.
Canada sends our oil to the US and then buys it back. That makes up a lot of the difference.
You might pay more, which I doubt, but at least you have a functioning healthcare system. We pay crazy level taxes for "free" healthcare where people constantly die waiting in emergency rooms 🙄. They say Canada is a "rich" country. They are wrong. The Canadian government is rich from soaking Canadians dry with taxes upon taxes!!
I haven’t seen gas under $3 since Biden was around
I paid $2.35 on Saturday, and I was pissed because the day before it was 2.25.
You gotta include the state!! I haven’t seen Gas at 2:25 since Obama was in office
Texas has its problems, but our gas prices are pretty good lol.
Yea but here's the thing I spend about $400 a year on gas and $2,200 a year on property tax. and my state give me money back for being poor so +$1300. You guys have good jobs tho so idk it's a toss up.
Yeah, everywhere has its tradeoffs I suppose. My property tax is a cunt.
It was always more expensive in California. I don’t know why but when I visited the US, I was quite shocked to see how big the price difference was between California and literally all the other states I’ve been to
im on the damn east coast! near a bunch of ports. Dunno why its so high in Maine it might just be state taxes kicking ass.
That's crazy, I live in Colorado and haven't paid over $3 for years. About a month ago it was $2.15 for regular at the gas station I go to
Weird that affordability has never been worse (in my lifetime), inflation is not under control for actual necessities (like groceries), and yet there's not Trump "I did that" stickers all over the place. Wonder why those people who put out all those Biden "I did that" stickers, practically everywhere, don't care now. What happened to them? Hmmmm, guess the world will never know.
Welcome to California suckers!
Actually I'm still paying nearly $5, but everyone is catching up.
I suspect we will continue outrunning them though.
Came here to be like "fuck I wish it was down to $3/gal out here..."
It's $6 a gallon in the UK, I think a good chunk of that is tax/duty tho.
Don't forget a UK gallon is about 25% bigger than a US gallon (160fl.oz vs 128fl.oz).
(Why yes, yes Imperial measurements are fucking ridiculous, thank you for noticing...)
Nice bit of sunshine today where I live, so I'll charge our EV with surplus power from our solar panels. 🤣
Well yeah, but it doesn't make a loud vroom vroom noise, therefore you're gay
gas has been incredibly cheap and I think this is one thing that has kept us going over the last year. 8 bucks a gallon would be where it would be to be close to where we were post 9/11.
In what location? In the US, directly after 9/11, has was pegged at .99/gallon because Bush made some kind of deal with oil execs. But they did raise it eventually. Not to 8/gallon though. Unless you're speaking of Europe?
no it went over 4 which would be well in excess of 8 nowadays

Close, but not quite. Still impressive that a mere 25 years almost halves your money's value though.
If you had $10,000 cash in your mattress you would have less than $6000 now.
Yeah part of it is I treat the official as being short on inflation as from my experience the things that matter to the everyday folks. like is heavy on cars, electronics, and appliances and such and lighter on food and energy and housing and such. I think 8 is low and in my area it went over 4.
Always try to remind people similar things. Had my first job in highschool during the 2006/7 inflation. Making 8.25/hr when gas was 4.25+ after cash discount.
When it was around $4/gallon recently I told people to just fuck right off, since I was making at least 3x what I was 18/20 years ago. Still a bit ass since "18/20 years ago" makes me a mid-age adult now. Got them bigger bills. At least gas prices have slowed down.
Are you thinking of Katrina? Granted, I wasn't old enough to drive when 9/11 happened, but I don't recall gas prices spiking. But they sure as hell did after Katrina.
Really hoping it gets up to $10 a gallon. Fuck all the SUV owners and the AI companies.
Uh, do you realize that with costs like that EVERYTHING will get more expensive? Every single good you buy anywhere has fuel costs baked into their price.
Yup. But its not a flat increase, some things travel further others more efficiently. Like where I live it might affect banana costs more than apple costs.
It is fun to watch them tear up at the filling station.
I filled up my hatchback for like $25 a week ago, and the f250 next to me spent $65. It's going to get hilarious soon.
Hmm.
I own a 2015 Hyundai Sonata (base model) which is a sedan, not an SUV. The gas tank capacity is 18 gallons.
I also own a 2025 Subaru Forester (Premium model), which is an SUV and has a gas tank capacity of approximately 17 gallons.
Difference is roughly the same between a sedan and an SUV and both use 87 octane.
A Suburban has a 30 gallon tank, a Ford F-150 has an almost 40 gallon tank. They ain't talking about your crossover.
Sick flex, Tommy Two Cars
Average tank size for a sedan is like 12 gallons, btw. Imagine that, your experience isn't representative of the whole. How mind blowing is that
I have three cars, this guy ain't shit
I see. So I’m an asshole for pointing out nuances?
Average size for American sedans is 12-18 gallons. That’s a range, but I do loooooove that you presented the low end as fact. Claps for you!
You're disingenuously equating your full-size sedan and your crossover's gas tanks and using that single piece of anecdotal (and completely unrelated) evidence to incorrectly imply that the drivers of sedans are going to suffer just as much as the dumbasses that still drive gas guzzlers.
Subcompact and compact cars generally have 8-10 gallon tanks, midsize cars generally have 10-14 gallon tanks, full size cars generally have 14-18 gallon tanks. The middle of that range is actually 13 gallons, so I was off a gallon. My b.
I like how you limited your data specifically to American sedans to fit your narrative though, despite neither of your cars being American, and despite American sedans not being even close to the top choice for sedan drivers, not even in America.
I’m saying person I responded to made a blanket statement about people owning a broad category of car. I pointed out that there are nuances and taking on particular broad group isn’t probably the right take. Using broad strokes is bad.
I’m not really sure what your stake is in being angry with your replies. If that isn’t your intent, that’s how it is coming across.
I used American SUVs because I was trying to talk about American buyers since this seemed to be aimed at the USA with the mention of gallons (yeah, other counties use it, but come on…we know it was meant towards the USA). Yes, I misused what I was trying to say.
It didn't come off as nuance to me. Seemed more like you were providing an "um actually" semantic-wordplay type response, like you were striving for technically correct instead of just understanding the (pretty clear) implicit meaning in the comment you were replying to.
What is the MPG between those vehicles? How long will their respective tanks last?
The Forester is not an SUV, it is a crossover. It is basically a wagon with a higher-riding suspension. SUV =/= crossover, even if automobile marketing has convinced a large segment of the population otherwise.
A Forester is still an SUV. It’s classified as an SUV whether you like it or not. A crossover SUV is still an SUV. It’s a subclass, but falls under the umbrella.
Sonata: 25/37 Forester: 26/33
They are fairly close in stats.
Look, I get what you’re saying. The whole thing is these vehicles are a range and people are driving what they can. To just give a blanket “fuck these people for this broad category” seems weird to me.
I am merely pointing out nuances and I don’t understand what is triggering some people to turn into a hostile jack ass for pointing something out. 🤷♂️
The classification doesn't determine what it actually is. It is an arbitrary label.
SUVs and crossovers are functionally different. I don't really give a shit that someone decided to group them together and dont feel bound to perpetuating their error.
I'm not being hostile, I'm just pointing out that crossovers are more similar to cars rather than SUVs, which is something that is very relevant to the discussion of fuel economy.
Well, I disagree with your argument about SUV classification so we will agree to disagree here.
I think my issue is that SUV efficiency is a range just like sedans are a range, trucks, vans, compacts, etc. So at what point is it really fuck this type of car versus fuck vehicles that have this specific fuel efficiency.
My entire point was the person I replied to said fuck SUVs and AI. Hey, I get it but SUVs aren’t the problem, vehicle efficiency is and many classes cross over into that “fuck this” point. That's really the crux of my first reply here was that it was a broad stroke and if you’re going to say fuck something because of its contribution then maybe don’t be so broad and targeted?
Well, I disagree with your argument about SUV classification so we will agree to disagree here.
That is certainly your prerogative; many people have chosen to group them together. But it does mean that the "sedan vs SUV" MPG comparison is obfuscated by a faulty premise.
I'm curious though, what in your mind makes a Forester an SUV rather than a wagon? Disregard any external labels that others have applied. How you would classify the vehicle.
I'm curious though, what in your mind makes a Forester an SUV rather than a wagon? Disregard any external labels that others have applied. How you would classify the vehicle.
Great question. I’ve never really thought about that, but I’d probably say size and design (boxy-ish looks). Beyond that, categorization by the companies making and rating them is what I go by.
But it does mean that the “sedan vs SUV” MPG comparison is obfuscated by a faulty premise.
What faulty premise? Do mid size and large sedans have fuel efficiency and vehicle length that cross into the small and mid size SUV range? I compared them because the original comment was essentially “I hope the high gas really fucks SUVs”. Why SUVs specifically? Which SUVs? No mention of large sedans, trucks, vans, etc.
My comparison was to point out that a singular broad criticism was sort of a weird idea when there are so many other factors.
If you start adding a bunch of caveats it diminishes the fun of saying it.
"fuck everyone driving a giant ass gas vehicle to the point where the avg SUV driver is crying about it." Just isn't as fun to read or write. SUVs are generally smaller than trucks so trucks are implicit.
but I’d probably say size and design (boxy-ish looks). Beyond that, categorization by the companies making and rating them is what I go by.
So styling and marketing?
Fwiw, the Sonata is actually longer and wider than the Forester, though the Forester is taller due to the wagon bodystyle and a higher suspension/larger tires: carsized.com is an interesting site
Yeah. The Sonata is a fairly big for a mid-size sedan.
I guess when I say size it’s a combo of length and width but also height. Ground clearance is a big one.
Ground clearance is a big one.
So putting a lift kit on the Sonata would make it an SUV? Actually...Subaru did just that very thing! The Crosstrek is an Impreza (hatchback body) with a lift kit.
No, lifting an original vehicle type doesn’t change its type unless we collectively decide as a society or industry that it does. Your point is true for first generation Foresters. It’s not for today’s, though, which mine is as a 2025.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to argue or trying to get me to change my mind about it, but a crossover is literally an SUV by today’s standards. Definitions change and there are a multitude of articles that discuss this.
“…over time, crossover came to refer predominantly to unibody-based SUVs. The term SUV is often used as an umbrella term for both crossovers and traditional SUVs due to the similarities between them.”
Like I said, if you want to disagree then fine. I’m not changing my stance because there are plenty of articles from the industry that support my point about crossovers being an SUV.
I do appreciate you having me think more about this though! It’s an interesting discussion.
So what terminology would you recommend that people use when discussing non-crossover SUVs and crossovers to distinguish them from each other in contexts where the differences are important?
I suppose people could say "non-crossover SUV" but it is a bit verbose, particularly when writing it out and using it for something that would otherwise be denoted by 3 letters.
huh, my car has an 8 gallon tank. the standard isn't tank size, it's that you can drive it 400 miles

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