Golly, if only someone could have prevented this...
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NO SHIT SHERLOCK
Maybe you should have done your job and had him executed for treason
This is the right answer. If you are in a position if power, the consequences for your actions should be ten times more than a civilian.
Had him tried for treason. Calling directly for execution implies that he is guilty. Which everyone is entitled to a fair trial. He didn’t even give him a trial. It was a complete abortion of justice in all aspects to let it go un acknowledged.
I mean, he committed crimes right out in the open. We all watched how he willfully mishandled the pandemic, fired prevention and response teams out of spite, incompetently weaponized it, and stole medical supplies from states. I watched him suggest injecting bleach on live television, and demand testing be slowed down because it made him look bad. And then I watched him rile up a capitol riot, and sit back to watch. He did all of this publicly.
He should be dead or in the Hague for all of that. COVID 19 was Donald Trump's fault.
Do you really think allowing a president to execute their opposition will lead to anything good though?
The guy led an insurrection against our own government. The evidence was overwhelming. We’ve executed people in this country for much, much less.
Over half the country didn’t think it was a big deal.
I'm not sure why people still think the guy who, a day before he was sworn in, said "He knows those computers better than anybody. All those computers, those vote-counting computers, and we ended up winning Pennsylvania like in a landslide. So, it was pretty good, it was pretty good. So, thank you to Elon" legitimately won in a free and fair election.
Prove it in court and I’ll believe he stole the election.
When has proving in a courtroom that Trump did something unlawful ever actually mattered?
Because if it happened there is proof and I’d like to see it.
Why the fuck are you all over this thread running defense for child rapist/murder/eater donald trump?
It’s a sad state of affairs when people think that demanding proof of allegations before acting on them is running defense for people.
It’s literally the bedrock of our justice system.
He was convicted of about 45 felonies after his first term. As in proven in court with a judge and lawyers and everything.
But none of those felons had anything to do with stealing the 2024 election right?
Why does that matter? He's one of the most prolific criminals in history, and he was caught with boxes of classified material in his home, which is a major crime. People have gotten the death penalty for less.
None of that is to mention that he literally shut down his own election interference case, and now it's turning out he makes Jeffrey Dahmer look like an amateur hobbyist.
considering trump has threatened to jail his oponenets, do you still think doing nothing was a good idea?
Sometimes it just feels like I’m bashing my head against a brick wall here.
Keep going and maybe you'll rub two braincells together and stop enabling Trump.
"We tried nothing and were all out of ideas" is how it comes across.
And your statement comes across like you’re okay with the ruling party executing their opposition.
I'm not the one who called to execute. But I did call for biden to arrest him and throw the key away.
But the rest of the world saw y'all do nothing, and now how many people lost their lives in war. How many trans people have killed them selves since election day because of his party's anti trans bullshit.
There is a real cost to the nothing that was done. And were all paying it. The rest of the world is sick of it.
Yeah but Kamala Harris was forced upon the Democrats as the party leader. She wasn't elected democratically to lead the party. That's even worse. /s
If he was arrested and put in jail and Americans voted him back in as they did he’d be free anyways.
And your right back to "we tried nothing and were all out of ideas"
Edit: or release the epstine files
We investigated him and it all went to hell when the majority of the country decided to vote him back into office.
This is a more complicated situation then you’re making out to be.
If you jailed him 2021/2022 how would he have even ran from jail?
It’s not illegal to run for president from jail.
Makes it hard to do his rallys and speeches though right?
I’m not sure if that would deter his base they didn’t care that he masterminded Jan 6 even though it was on live tv.
It took more than his base to elect him.
Otherwise how did he loose 2020?
He lost 2020 because people got up and voted Biden.
He won 2024 because people didn’t vote Harris just like he won 2016 because people didn’t vote Clinton.
And you don't think trump being behind bars at the time would do nothing to those voters?
Look, I'd love to live in your fantasy world where its enough to say "its hard uwu" and do nothing.
But biden failed to protect my trans brothers and sisters by making sure him, and everyone one around him, never saw freedom again. But he didn't and no were here.
Here's the thing. The rest of the world no longer fucking cares. Canadians here are stronger than our government on fuck the US.
Your not voting your way out of this. Because even if you do somehow in November, the rest of the world no longer cares to trust y'all again. One way or another, allowing him to even be a candidate was mistake. And until it all burns and is replaced, y'all will never be trusted again.
You can get as mad as you want but I stand by my point that allowing the ruling party to execute or jail their opposition is a very bad idea.
And all I'm saying is standing by that is standing by all the death and destruction that follows. You can deny that all you want. But its never going to go back to stays quo.
So what do you think the solution is if you don’t think we can vote our way out of this?
Don't y'all have the second amendment for this exact purpose?
Congratulations. You got a dictator again. The last king y'all saw you burned the system down and started fresh.
Why not that?
You want a couple people with small arms to go against the US military?
A hunting rifle against a F-35?
Sounds realistic.
"We've tried nothing and were all out of ideas" again.
I’ve seen the US military against Iran and Venezuela and I know I don’t have that kind of firepower.
It’d be suicide to attempt your ideas.
Yes, after waiting over 2 years to convict, and letting the clock run out before he was sentenced. You absolutely know that was a bad faith argument.
WELCOME TO THE MOTHERFUCKING CLUB. HERE'S A FUCKING BANDAID AND BOTTLE OF JACK.
People are capable of understanding context. Not that you're totally wrong, but Biden trying and executing Trump for treasonous crimes isn't the same as Putin torturing and poisoning Navalny in a Siberian prison camp.
How much stuff have the republicans already blamed democrats for?
Do you think that the MAGA base wouldn’t execute Biden for his ‘crimes’ in Ukraine?
How much stuff have the republicans already blamed democrats for?
A lot. But they can literally never back up any of their claims.
Do you think that the MAGA base wouldn’t execute Biden for his ‘crimes’ in Ukraine?
Desire to? Yeah, I'd assume so. They tried to overthrow the government and murder Democratic leadership once already. Be capable of? No.
My prediction is that in much the same way Italy and Germany unified after the deaths of their respective far right leaders, America would eventually move on and become more unified as well. Maga is a cult of personality with Trump as the sole proprietor. When he goes, there'd likely be a power vacuum too big to fill and the cult fractures into multiple small factions that eventually lose popularity. Mayyybe one or two starts to gain traction, but they're much easier to deal with than the inertia Maga has right now.
Seems like a pretty big bet to base on feelings.
You're not wrong, but we don't have the luxury of only making decisions based on rationality. Sometimes you need to trust your intuition and fix the repercussions of those decisions with more rationally sound decisions when/if they backfire.
Personally, I'd rather have dealt with the blowback of Donald Trump's corpse rotting in a shallow grave than having to deal with where we're at currently.
An insurrectionist who they literally had evidence raped and killed children YES!
Absolutely! These are unprecedented times, and they require unprecedented solutions. We need to do a LOT more than simply punish MAGA treason, corruption, and pedophilia. They need to be punished so harshly, it will be felt for generations, and future dipshits will be reminded of what happens when they get squirrelly.
Yeah, execute the tyrant and his henchmen, and put their heads on the White House fence. Let their followers know that we're enthusiastically willing to go medieval on their asses. That will keep them under their slimy rocks for the next few decades.
You don’t think the republicans will put liberal/progressive politicians up there the next chance they get?
I feel like there’s a group of people on here who are trying to push us into a civil war that we can’t win and I for one am not going to take that bait.
Just to understand your perspective: is there anything a politician, either sitting or running, can do that would cause you to support jailing or executing them, or is the complication of them being a politician such that, in your eye, no penalty can be met for any crime they commit?
I’m arguing against Biden throwing Trump in jail or executing him not arguing against people or politicians facing legal consequences from the justice system.
I’m arguing against Biden throwing Trump in jail
Presumably because Trump is a politician? Or is it that you believe he committed no crimes?
Do you believe Biden should be judge, jury and executioner?
Do you believe Biden should be judge, jury, and executioner?
Absolutely not!
Maybe I understand your perspective better now? Is it that your opposition is to a president directly ordering someone be arrested/killed (vs directing the department of justice to administer a speedy and comprehensive trial in order to prevent a miscarriage of justice)?
First of all, there are no Republicans any more, that was the larval stage, before they morphed into their final form, MAGA. The Republican Party is as dead as the Whigs, and should only be referred to in scholarly or historical context.
And once were done with this, there won't be any MAGAs. MAGA is a National Security Threat, and it's leaders and followers are Domestic Terrorists, among many other crimes. They will not be allowed to exist any more. Germany did it with the Nazis, and we can do it with MAGA.
The Democratic Party will be our Right Wing Party, and The Progressive Party will be the Left Wing Party.
Finally, we will NOT be punishing MAGA for their politics, we will punish them for their many CRIMES. In the future, any politician calling for the legal punishment of their enemies for their political beliefs should be immediately removed from office and prosecuted for treason.
I feel like there’s a group of people on here who are trying to push us into a civil war that we can’t win and I for one am not going to take that bait.
MAGA is an Organized Criminal Enterprise, including organized child sex trafficking, and they cannot be allowed to influence our government and society any longer.
That shouldn't take a Civil War, just a solid legal system, unless it takes a Civil War to install that legal system.
Would you rather live as a 13th Amendment Government-owned Slave under an Organized Crime government, or support a Civil War that makes America free again?
Would you rather live as a 13th Amendment Government-owned Slave under an Organized Crime government, or support a Civil War that makes America free again?
Neither and no matter how many charged words or phrases you put in your comments you’re not going to get me to start agreeing with you.
You’re talking about eighty million people in our country.
Do you think being a serial rapist of small children is any better than being a serial killer? Are you going to ask for proof of that?
No. But how about executing someone who weaponized a pandemic? Yes.
oh good, satansmaggottycumfart is here to derail the entire thread with his bullshit. I thought for a second that lemmy might actually have a political thread, but now its shut down.
He should shut the fuck up. That fucking hump is responsible for this.
When he took over, he immediately launched a Covid Vaccine program and an Economic Stimulus program that were both far more successful than predicted. For that, he could have landed in the top 10-15 of presidents.
But he had to do a decent job for the rest of his presidency, which mainly included dealing with MAGA as the National Security Threat they are. He had just seen Trump launch an Insurrection. That would have been enough for him to step off the podium after being sworn in, and say "Round them ALL up, and ship them to Guantanamo for interrogation. We'll sort them out there."
If he'd done that, we would have found out about the False Electors Plot, AND his Stolen Classified Documents Operation. That's THREE separate cases of sedition and treason, and more than enough for him to get the noose.
Rounding them up would have suppressed the Conservative Propaganda Machine, and allowed the Dems to better control the messaging going into the 2024 election.
Instead, Biden basically checked out of the job after announcing his Covid and Stimulus programs, and stupidly appointed the most feckless Republican to be his AG, perhaps the STUPIDEST Democratic Presidential decision in modern history, who dithered and slow-walked Trump's treason cases as long as he could, giving him a two year head start to run out the clock, which he did, successfully.
In addition, he ignored the many warnings, many coming from the mouths of the criminals themselves, that they intended to rig the election and steal the presidency, and Biden allowed them to do it in front of the entire world, without any interference at all. And when they did, he went along with the ridiculous concept that Trump won the election "fair & square."
The American voters fired MAGA decisively, and expected the new Democratic administration to clean up the mess. Instead of getting justice for America, they tried to make friends with feral animals, and got eaten alive. For his weakness and cowardice, allowing MAGA to rise again, Biden's legacy is in the toilet, and will he will be buried in the bottom 10 of all presidents.
Biden betrayed us, and he's lucky that he won't be joining the MAGAs against the wall with the rest of them. He deserves the firing squad as much as any of them.
100% THIS
The Dems are complicit and criminally inept by design and top-down decision-making, they fucking allowed this. We are here as much by the dirty players, Project 2025 puppet-masters as the DNC itself.
Fuck the entire two-party charade.
And this is the fatal flaw with "blue no matter who."
That isn't the lesson from this.
You're taking the wrong lesson from this. Sometimes a feckless Democrat in office is worse than no Democrat at all. In retrospect, we would have been much better off today if Biden had lost in 2020.
No, we wouldn't. Any second Trump administration was going to be bad.
And the only way it could have been prevented is if everyone made it clear any centrist is unelectable. Instead we had Vote Blue No Matter Who shouting from the rooftops they'd vote for 99% Hitler and so would everyone else.
The DNC might have listened if they couldn't delude themselves into thinking the base was going to vote anyway, so only appealing to republicans matters.
The lesson is that a Republican can never be allowed to win any election. Shut the fuck up with this strategic losing using magic future vision powers nonsense talk.
You have to beat the Republican every time or countless people will suffer.
I don't want to hear any plan that doesn't involve the Republican losing the election.
Fuck you for not stopping it Joe.
I remember reading for four years that Merrick Garland was just making sure his T's were crossed and his I's dotted before putting Trump away. Whoopsie.

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