Read Hyperion while backpacking in 2018. The action was pretty good but god damn did it treat woman as more disposable and subject to men's ambitions than a roll of toilet paper. Even Vonnegut was better and that's not praise for him either.
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This was one of the first hard sci-fi books I ever tried to read. I think I was 15 at the time. I didn't make it on the first attempt, and had to put it down for a couple of years...but holy shit, was it ever good, once I picked it back up again. By far, still one of my favorite series of all time.
Dude was a right wing racist homophobic lunatic to the very end. "A real one" as in piece of shit
Thank you Internet for ruining everything I've ever enjoyed
https://www.npr.org/2011/07/28/137621172/one-rant-too-many-politics-mar-simmons-dystopia
Crazy, right? That some dude obsessed with Jesus metaphors, space Catholicism, social "degeneration," and how Empire is Good, actually, as long as it doesnt do any of that pesky welfare would be a conservative phobe?
Idk Hyperion was good though. Well, I thought it was just okay, but I see why people liked it.
That really sucks. Hyperion and The Fall of Hyperion are some of my favorite sci-fi books.
I loved especially Hyperion, but I said my final goodbye the day I opened Flashback… what an awful piece of rear end production that was.
The Hyperion series was awesome, original, well-thought out, spiced with a background of Enoch the Prophet, flying space trees … and I’ll cherish it forever.
Flashback not so much, what a hateful piece of right wing trash that was. And I’m not necessarily against a solid story that makes me think or even just learn to appreciate other’s viewpoints, but this was more like something Ben Shapiro would write. “leftie bad hur durr”, you probably know what I mean. On top of that, it was shattered, incoherent and relied insanely on Deus Ex Machina constructions throughout.
I never understood and I never ever will I. Sad.
I never understood and I never ever will I.
Oh, I understand it. Simmons was too eager to tell us why he didn't like "certain people."
Oh definitely. I just never understood how this could be the same author.
To put it in stark terms, Flashback is the novel in which I share the psychological and real-world reality (if not any details of the actual experience) of the day I came home from college early in my freshman year to discover that both of my parents had been diagnosed with cancer and would soon die. And it will also share the dawning perception of a nineteen-year-old -- after my parents' slow and hard deaths that year only six months apart, and after hospital and funeral expenses were paid -- that my younger brother (still in high school) and I, the remnants of what had been a fairly happy family, were flat broke, jobless, and seemingly without a viable future. None of my story of this is in Flashback, per se, yet it's all there behind the book. The emotions are there.
https://web.archive.org/web/20110806051551/http://www.dansimmons.com/news/message.htm
Without Dan Simmons and Hyperion, sci-fi literature would've been still been regarded as disposable paperbacks. Simmons did away with the trappings of early pulp sci-fi that held a shadow over the genre for many decades. Instead, Hyperion and Fall of Hyperion took the shape of the Western Canon and could be discussed as serious literature. Without spoiling too much, I remember reading the story of Sol Weintraub and his daughter and almost being brought to tears; something that no other book, regardless of genre, has done.
Rest well, scribe. Asimov, Heinland, Clarke, Herbert and, of course, Keats. You'll be in good company
Without Dan Simmons and Hyperion, sci-fi literature would’ve been still been regarded as disposable paperbacks. Simmons did away with the trappings of early pulp sci-fi that held a shadow over the genre for many decades. Instead, Hyperion and Fall of Hyperion took the shape of the Western Canon and could be discussed as serious literature.
Hyperion was pretty good, but the 70s New Wave of science fiction had already done that: Ursula K. Le Guin, J. G. Ballard, Samuel Delany, etc. They deserve their credit.
Hadn't Bradbury already been doing a lot of that like 2 decades before? I guess it mentions him as a predecessor in that article, but if the movement is distinguished by "an emphasis on the psychological and social sciences as opposed to the physical sciences", that sounds like Bradbury to a T.
I don't even have children and Sol Weintraub made me want to cry so hard
Sol's story is incredible, but the priest's tale is the single best horror fiction ever written imo.
Love that the author of the article jabbed Rothfus and Martin directly.
Hyperion is my favorite sci-fi next to Dune. It's inspired a lot of the features in my D&D homebrew world, including the Shrike, the river, a few deities, and other textures and layers to my realm.
Farewell, friend. You were one of the good ones. I wish you hadn't gone the wrong direction.
Most of the comments on social media about his passing are about his horrible politics rather than his writing. People are calling him a racist, a misogynist, and even a fascist.
Song of Kali confused me. It felt so hateful and so deeply racist that I assumed I missed something about it, like maybe it was satirical. Or maybe it was just about a character who hated India, which doesn't necessarily mean the author shares those views.
I loved Hyperion even with its misogynistic parts, I just sort of figured "boomers are gonna boom" and I was able to overlook it. Summer of Night was phenomenal, even if it did have the same "only one female character and she's a lot" problem that all his novels seem to have.
I don't see myself reading his other novels after reading about how racist he was. Quite a shame.
I loved Hyperion even with its misogynistic parts,
Isn't it strange that you can write a book about destroying an entire planet full of people and no one bats an eye; but if you include a political hot topic suddenly half of the population is protesting your book.
I would understand if he's actively promoting an idea but I don't think most books do that...
https://bookshop.org/beta-search?keywords=dan+simmons
He did a lot of other books.
"Drood" is a wild tale told by an opium addict, pretty much the ultimate unreliable narrator.
"The Crook Factory" has Ernest Hemingway chasing Nazi submarines lurking near Cuba.
Drood was so ... long to read (I mean weird pacing) and I couldn't decide if it was intentional or not.
Also not giving us more of the tusk lady etc was criminal (but I knew that fairly from the start that I'm getting snubbed in my ghostly lore needs).
Drood isn't for everyone, but I enjoyed the craziness.
'Black Hills' is also pretty good. Native man gets a job working on the Mount Rushmore project. It's a desecration but he needs the work.
Oh, I kinda enjoyed Drood (like a snack I'm already fed up with yet keep munching), but in comparison some passages felt fatiguing, style a bit different, topics a bit mondaine (again, might have been intentional to show opium changes, idk).
Didn't read Black Hills, almost don't want to, but prob will at some point (thx for reminding me).
Nooooooooo! That is horrible news 😢 Hyperion meant a lot to me when I started reading SF. He will be greatly missed
I finished the Fall of Hyperion last week. He was a fantastic writer. May he be remembered and honored the same way as Colonel Kassad
This dude really did write multiple genres pretty well, even mashed together.
Absolutely fantastic world-building in Hyperion Cantos.
I also enjoyed Terror, the world descriptions are just situationally (like in a 3D space) pleasing for me, adjusted historical & mythological facts work really well, and even the story was rounded into a satisfactory end.
Rip.
The Terror is my favorite book! I picked it up based on the cover art and texture and it turned out to be a fantastic horror novel. I love how he integrated it with actual historical events. RIP.
I always hoped to see a Hyperion movie, now without his guidance it'll come out and suck.
SyFy (not its predecessor) had rights to it, but it never came to light. The Shrike is so hard to depict. Perhaps HBO or another with deep coffers could make it happen.
IMO the Shrike is kind of unimportant to most of the storytelling. You could almost just narrate it and show shadows of a distant figure. It's the stalking threat that gives mystery and weight to the decisions of the characters to make the pilgrimage.
I always found the physical description of the Shrike to be one of the silliest aspects of the story.
Man I stroke once or twice a day. Didn't know it could be fatal!
What a crazy coincidence that my newly formed book club chose this as our inaugural choice and then, literally just yesterday, finished Fall of Hyperion.
I appreciate you Dan Simmons. I’m sorry people no longer get to experience your imagination.
Well shit. I wish the best for his loved ones. 77 is too young for sure.
Hyperion is awesome... read all 4 and "told" them to my kids who loved them so much they read them as well (my "kids" are big, but I don't know what else to call them hahaha)
Rest in peace Simmons... may you Freecast in joy for all eternity
Barf. On my 2nd reading of Hyperion books as an adult this time and I really didn't pick up on the pedophehelia and grooming shit with Raul & Aenea the first time. Super gross and ruines it for me
Damn. Hyperion is like peak sci-fi. In my mind, I think of it as the LOTR of sci-fi, so this is like Tolkien dying, to put it into perspective. Some damn good books.
I read it based on John Romero's declaration that it was his favourite book.
I didn't really care much for the stories, but the worldbuilding was absolutely stunning.
I never read his books, but Hyperion is on my list. Is it that good? I see more people talking about Dune.
It's really good, it makes the world(s) feel alive and not like an opera.
I just learned he is very racist, does Hyperion have his political views in it? I can read Lovecraft just fine, since it is it a product of its time. This on the other hand is recent. I also heard it has a Palestinian character how are they portrayed?
https://web.archive.org/web/20060424105133/http://www.dansimmons.com/news/message.htm
Yes, it was a recent TIL for me too.
I don't think it comes across like that in Hyperion, if anything it's like diversity or something. Then again, I don't read books as if I'm the lead character, my morals don't roleplay, it's just a character with their own faults etc.
What I've noticed (more so in other his books) is how often (but not always) poorly women are treated. But eg in Drood that is just plainly realistic af (Victorian England). And tbf, racism in space also sounds realistic af. Also religious cults, mysticism, etc.
(I haven't read a lot of his books, so by opinion that it's fine doesn't cover all of his works. Hyperion & Terror are ok by me. And at least I didn't pay him directly buying used books. And if I ever need a copy for my ereader I'll ask friendly neighbourhood librarian Anna.)
From what I heard his later books are the issue like flashback:
!a poet who fled Israel after 6 million Jews were murdered by the Muslim "Global Caliphate" — seem to have been created for the sole purpose of explaining why the left wing has destroyed America. !<
https://www.npr.org/2011/07/28/137621172/one-rant-too-many-politics-mar-simmons-dystopia
Yes, this is exactly why I added the thing about me not speaking for all his books.
(This was also a recent TIL of mine. It also sounds like a poorly thought out plot tbh, it just seems that it will be riddled with logical plot holes, which I really hate bcs lazy writing. Or motivated otherwise.)
I tried Dune and I just found it sooooo boring. It's more political and squarely in the space opera genre, which hyperion is not.
I didn't really enjoy the Hyperion books all that much myself.
I enjoyed Dune much more, if you're talking about the first book. However, as for the series...Dune is one of those series where I really enjoyed the first book and then felt that each successive book was less-good than the previous one. YMMV.
I enjoyed "The Terror" miniseries, I am getting the book immediately!
I really loved the first season. So gripping and haunting and tragic. I have to read the book too
I haven't seen the miniseries bcs when I've heard about it existing & searched for it I accidentally saw the 'big baddy' - it looked like shit & nothing close to as mythical & eerie as in the books, even the physical description was all wrong & worse (there are way better artists impressions over the internet).
It instantly made me feel like they didn't capture ship, ship life, cold, or clothes well either (idk about characters), so I just preemptively decided against watching it.
It's not one of those stories that I would want to see in a play either, the environment & mystic parts just matter so much (just like the characters imho).
Also they found Terror.
Hyperion Cantos was a great highlinght for me and my kids… we still have a lot of inside jokes based off those books
Thank you Dan, may you freecast peacefuly into the next life
I own Hyperion but I haven't read it yet, it's one of those ones that was just perpetually in the backlog. I might have to bump it to the front now.
I just read some of his horror last year! Summer of Night was ok but I didn’t like it enough to read the sequel.
Absolute loss, I loved his emotional and unhinged stories! If you like the Hyperion books but wanted even more chaos, you should check out Illuim, a retelling of the Greek classic but with nanobots, time travel, the actual Mons Olympus on Mars only visible with time portals, and dinosaurs.
I first read him while working towards an English degree. The obvious Canterbury Tales plot was fun. I recently reread the series for the first time in 35 years or so and they still hold up. His books definitely stand out in the genre. A great author, and from what I've read about him personally, a good man.

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