No warning, not even a "Don't do it again email" - I had a work account, that was logged in on my works laptop, I made a comment critical of Netanyahu, and the Gaza genocide, which got that account banned from /pics. This was months ago, then I made a comment on pics, on my main account. That's it, gone, banned.

I even have another spare account, from 2008, logged in to that, that's banned too. FFS!

No luck on appeals, so I guess no more reddit, ever again. Anyone managed to get around this?

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[+] 121 points 8 months ago (22 children)
  • [–] [S] 38 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Yes and no, I guess, I don't know.. I used it every day for almost 20 yrs, It became part of my daily routine. I'm really liking it here though, it feels way less 'shouting into the void' and more inclusive, kinda like early reddit.

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  • [–] 37 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    it feels way less ‘shouting into the void’

    Very much so.

    Two things killed Reddit for me.

    1. Bot bans for basically everything.

    2. Over-saturated to the point that your comments almost never get interacted with. So....what's the point?

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Same here! I used to leave comments in the early days of Reddit, but then it became clear that many posts I was replying to were just karma farming or bots.

    Seeing that made me just stopped using it as anything other than a content aggregator, and only through the 3rd party apps.

    When they basically killed API access I moved here. It doesn't have the niche communities that are on Reddit, but when I need information from those I just search it up.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    I'm in the same situation. I feel like here I actually have valid discussions most of the time. They are seriously too ban happy as well, get a mod that has their feelings hurt because you support something they don't or political views and banned.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    the fingerprinting is pretty extensive, your browser size, screen resolution, computer components,,,etc. it would have to be a new device, IP,a nd different browser, and or long term success requires you to use paid methods.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    they ban your digital fingerprint, not just your ip.

    I only use Reddit at work on my work desktop. Over the last handful of years I've gone through a shit ton of Reddit accounts, but they last weeks/months until I say one of the many, many things you can get bot banned for on Reddit, which I inevitably do, because I am not nice to fascists and I don't care if I get banned for being mean to fascists.

    So I'm not sure about the IP thing.

    I'm statically assigned an internal IP, so that never changes. And my public IP should also remain the same for weeks/months as far as I know.

    It would be interesting to have a network admin's thoughts on this. Am I somehow being assigned a new public IP on a daily basis? That's handled on the ISP's side. Does my workplace have an agreement with the ISP to change public IP's every day? Cuz sometimes I only make it a day or two before telling a fascist the only good fascist is a dead one and getting banned.

    I use the Brave browser and only use private windows. When I'm banned I clear the browser, making sure everything, including cookies, are wiped. I re-open the browser in a private window, create a new throwaway email account, use it to create a new Reddit account, and I'm back in until, like you, I hurt conservative fee fees.

    I always thought an IP ban would be bad for their business cuz then one person could get a multi-user computer banned and Reddit would lose users that way. Not that I would put it past Reddit to make bad decisions. I've been watching them do it for almost two decades now.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Network admin here, your internal IPv4 address doesn’t matter, external people don’t see it. Your work likely has a static block of external IPv4 addresses and it’s possible that they are rotated through over time so your effective external IP changes slowly. This depends on how big your work organization is and how your network admin set things up

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    But could it be rotating external addresses literally every day or two?

    Like I said, I only make it a day or two with some of these accounts before I say something I typically know will get me banned and I just don't care. Then I'm back in with my new account. It's fully functional. I check to make sure I'm not shadowbanned. I get activity on my posts. And those accounts can be good for months.

    I just don't see how Reddit can be IP banning if I'm able to do this.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Yes. It’s Port Address Translation with a pool of external IPv4 addresses

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    Interesting. It's an extension of NAT.

    So you would have to purchase a pool of external IP addresses from your ISP?

    So, technically, if you had PAT on your home router, which I'm not even sure is a thing, and purchased external IPs from your ISP, you could cheat Reddit's IP ban, assuming they actually have an IP ban in place?

    But regular external IPs get cycled every few weeks/months, right? So wouldn't anyone with a Reddit IP ban be able to get back in with a new account once their external IP naturally cycles?

    I mean if Reddit banned based on more than IP, like my computer's MAC address, then any new account I created would be insta-banned for having the same MAC. I've been using this same computer for a few years now.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    MACs are not seen by Reddit - that’s layer 2 info that only your ISP sees. All they see is your external IP. Most home users don’t have a static IP or static pool and can likely get a new IP - that’s called a dynamic IP. As to your point about IP ban evasion, they are used to home users having dynamic IPs so they probably don’t depend on IP bans at all - likely client fingerprinting (cookies, user-agent string, other browser identifiers) and usage, like what subreddits you go to

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago*

    i had a same thing going on, although i was using public university computers to do it, which is probably why they dint initially block all of them until last year. different IP, and device was confusing them. if they however detect same positng pattern, or writing style they will catch on quickly,

    on another forum, i heard they "trust" iphone, google email, phone made accounts over a desktop now. it did make sense seeing as how you can have a burner device with loads of account and not get banned for having that many.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (4 children)

    I really hope you deleted every activity on your 14 year old account because reddit will hold on to your data (even if you delete your account), sell it, and use it to train their AI. Something which they got from you for free while denying you access to their services after you committed time (14 fucking years), paid internet and all that. I wish every single user they permabanned did this. Reddit would collapse in less than one week

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  • [+] 1 point 8 months ago* (3 children)
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  • [–] 73 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    TBF you're just AI training material to them.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    Not very diverse (read "useful") training material if they ban everybody expressing a POV that the asshole troll mods don't like.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Training material doesn't need to be diverse when the AI models are intended to promote very specific ideologies. It's probably better to limit the sample size to "approved" discourse in those circumstances.

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  • [+] 64 points 8 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 39 points 8 months ago

    This was the best thing that ever happened to you. Don’t look back.

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Good fucking riddance to Reddit. You might have been the last real person (not bot/AI) commenting on anything over there.

    Why would you have a "work account" for Reddit?

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    Years ago, I had a work account that answered troubleshooting questions in the company subreddit. It was actually pretty great for that, because active users could get their answers quickly, but also the answers were preserved for future users. Our corpirate site had a community page, but it didn't have 0.01% of the daily views the subreddit had.

    I left that job years ago, though, and I don't think the sub is as active as it was.

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  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    It's actually quite a horrible feeling, initially. I was there from near the beginning, through the glory days to the enshitification. Got banned from a sub by an overzealous mod on AskUK. Then perma-banned for 'ban-evasion', simply for using another "throwaway" account, which was common practice for years.

    Now I'm on Lemmy I'm never going back, even if I could (which is harder than you might think).

    Yes, this place is way smaller, but I've met almost no dickheads or bots in the year or so I've been here. It's nice. I had a gander at Reddit the other day and it reinforced my affection for this platform and utter disdain for Reddit in general. They've absolutely wrecked it.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 8 months ago

    Yeah, you're right, when you've been there for so many iconic moments of it, the cumbox, the gobstopper, the coconut, Mr Oglolblo (I can't believe I can still spell that) It's been a huge part of growing up I guess, but yeah, my doomscrolling has improved massively, the quality of content here is better. I just need to make the leap and delete reddit for good.

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago
    • Guy gets his 19yo account perma'd

    • Tons of Wordword#### accounts with hidden post/comment history flooding reddit and render common subs unusable

    Reddit: Fuck you and your two accounts, man. We hate multi-account users here.

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Same here. 2 weeks ago out of nowhere I got perma banned after 10 years because of an ICE comment. I said since they didn't get paid, nor will get their sign on bonus, that in 3 years they will be back sucking immigrant cock behind a Wendy's for money. Apparently that is inciting violence. Suck a cock until you choke spez. Anyway it's better here except missing some niche subs that don't exist here.

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Count your self lucky the local authorities haven't come to your door to question you about such a comment...

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  • [–] 35 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (8 children)

    I will always love the fact that the comment that finally got me permabanned was for telling a MAGA knuckledragger that he wasn’t just licking boots, he was deep throating them. Meanwhile, r/conservative, an actual fucking Russian psyop operation, is allowed to continue to exist. Reddit in a nutshell, especially after Trump was reelected.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    My 13 year old account with 250,000 comment karma was instant permabanned for saying "it's ok to punch a nazi".

    That's when I stopped caring about Reddit and just kept creating new accounts to say whatever the fuck I wanted.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    That's odd, I commented in a thread about the killing of that French fascist that it's not enough to wait for the state's permission to kill fascists if you want to stop fascists, and all I got was a 3 day suspension.

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  • [+] -12 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    250000 comments is mental illness.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago

    How to get around this:

    Why the fuck are you on an enemy's weapons system? Yes, you will have to make peace with permanently being excluded from what is essentialy 1/3 of the internet, but they are REALLY evil. It's like an abussive partner leaving you.

    Good riddance.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    "Anyone managed to get around this?"

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago* (4 children)

    Nope. They banned all my accounts. Even ones I never post with.

    Thing is. I moved recently and got a new computer.

    Never even accessed these 3 alternatives on my current PC or IP to link them to the banned one.

    But they had been used on same PC and IP like 5 years ago.

    So that means they keep that info. Also my alt accounts were only banned a few months ago but my main one was banned 1 year ago.

    I just happened to try to use an alt a few months ago and found it was also now banned and so were 2 others I haven't used in about 5 years.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

    I can't see how they can be sure this is the same person. Unless Reddit is linked to some other site and when you log in there, Reddit knows because you gave them your email.

    This is one of the reasons I hate Discord. I made an account ten years ago and forgot about it. In the meantime I built a new computer with completely new parts, fresh install of Windows. Then a few years later someone wanted me to join Discord and when I went to make an account, I was already signed in with this old account I'd forgotten about! It really freaked me out. The best I can figure is that gmail is linked to it so since I'm constantly logged in to gmail/YT, I was automatically signed in to Discord when I went back. I hate that creepy crap with a passion. Discord has some bad mojo voodoo going on.

    Edit:

    I just went back to Discord. First time in years. And it knows who I am! Oh god yuck.

    Edit2:

    It's definitely Gmail/YT. I just went there using Firefox and Discord doesn't know me.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I had different emails for all those accounts. On some reddit info page it says it uses "current" Ip address and device screen resolution info to link accounts to each other.

    I think that might be a lie. They have to be keeping at least 5 years of data . Maybe even older.

    I also change my IP address all the time.

    They must be tracking some other identifying info. Like device sign in name (Google account/windows login) or something.

    I don't know but I was very surprised they found all my accounts so easily and banned them all.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    You said those old accounts hadn't been used ever or in a long time didn't you? IIRC, a year or so ago, I think they went through and banned unused/dead accounts to prevent account selling and hacking. So that could be unrelated to the recent ban.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago

    The lesson is we need platforms like lemmy. Don't ever support any corporate platforms they may seem nice now but it always ends badly.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Anyone managed to get around this?

    Didn't even try. It was the impetus I needed to finally leave reddit. I'd also been on there for a long time, and i was putting in an hour or so each day. It wasn't really doing me any good, and when I adjusted I felt better to be away from it. Lemmy scratches the itch but is small enough that it doesn't consume much time. I do more reading and gaming now when I'm free. Years spent on reddit and big karma numbers are a sunk cost that makes it hard to leave.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I recently got perma banned from a community I'm very passionate about. No warning, perma ban for something that imo is not that controversial (I called a politician a spineless fuck) when I attempted to contest it, the mods muted me. Fuck reddit.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I got banned after 12 years, and a million Karma, in the Post-Inauguration bloodbath. I got around it with alt accounts for a while, but they caught up faster and faster. The first one lasted about 3 months, but by the end, I was getting tracked down and banned before my first comment was even posted.

    People like us, who were there near the beginning, when nobody had heard of Reddit, built that site into what it became. Without us, it has become a cesspool of bots, trolls, novelty accounts, Russian Propaganda Farmers, Corporate manipulators, etc., and especially abusive Mods.

    Too bad, it was great for a while.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    If they can track you to this extent, imagine what they do with data you do not know they have. Reddit is an AI bot cesspool now. A good portion of content there are not real

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    They must be using a phone. From what I understand, those have like a digital fingerprint of some sort so it's insanely easy for sites to track you. On a computer, you should be able to just re-start the modem and get a new IP address and wait a day.

    The way they catch people, via a computer at least, is that someone living in a suburb will keep trying to immediately re-register and start posting and subscribing to the exact same subs. Since there won't be a lot of people registering from that IP address, they can be pretty sure it's a ban evasion. If you're registering from Manhattan, I can't think of a way they can be sure a new register is a ban evasion.

    Except maybe if you're using the same browser which will store cookies from the site. But if you use a new browser or clean out those cookies, you should be fine. Actually, cookies are probably the main way they catch ban evasions. There's probably a cookie that gets placed in the browser when you're banned and when you register the site will check for it.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Why do you want to get around it? Reddit is last decade. Time to move on.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Agreed. Yesterday I finally got around to deleting my three Reddit accounts that were 9-10 years old (hadn't used them in a couple years). First I made sure to overwrite most of my comments with gibberish. Reddit is basically Facebook now.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    The only thing I miss Reddit for are the Guitar forums. It was a really great place to interact with great guitarists, advise and support young players, show off your instruments, etc. Very supportive and informative, and I miss it.

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  • [+] 13 points 8 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    Huh. I've never got pinched for ban-evasion before despite very regularly using alts to comment in subs where I had previously been banned. I don't honor perma-bans on principle because I think they're ridiculous, but I do self-impose a 30-day ban to let things cool down a bit and avoid attracting suspicion.

    Not sure what my secret sauce was, but it was never an issue for me over the 15 or so years I used Reddit.

    That said, I'd take this as an opportunity to just stop using Reddit altogether.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    15 years isn't the issue, it's only since January 2025 that there has been an issue. Reddit is OFFICIALLY a mouthpiece for MAGA and the Conservative Propaganda Machine.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Na, apparently they do have the ability to track who and where you make accounts.

    I've similarly made efforts to discuss and condemn the brutal genocide in Gaza on reddit and found myself with a perma-ban.

    I'm only going to hazard a guess, but somehow reddit knows which devices your accounts have previously been logged in on, and will automatically ban your new account after 1 day.

    I've tried using VPNs, virtualized desktops, different devices, made accounts on devices that I have never logged in on, but then when I use the new account on my regular device, it gets banned.

    Spez got a taste of that good Israeli money and now outright bans users for questioning or criticizing the Zionist machine. Welcome to the weaponization of the greatest tool humanity ever created - the Internet.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Your secret sauce is you probably live in a country where your ISP does not snitch on you.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (1 child)

    It’s probably the lying low for 30 days. In the 2000s and 2010s, I ran various websites and the hit counters I used would give me, for each visitor, the browser they used, the operating system, the screen resolution, the IP address, the city and state they were in, the internet provider company they were using like Xfinity, and whether they were a new user or not. If the person cleared their cookies or came back after the cookies expired then they appeared as a new visitor. If this info was tied to usernames and emails, it’d be easy to kinda figure out who is who. But not if not if they'd been gone for a while.

    Also, I can’t remember exactly if this one company had it’s own IP or it was it’s own internet provider, but I do remember I could spot my ex-girlfriend looking at my sites while she was at work because she worked for this company and it would show up as part of the info. She got weirded out when I asked her why she was visiting my sites at work.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago

    Reddit has become a corporate protector of the Epstein Pedophiles. Say too much negative about them and they ban permanently. I know that's not why you were banned, but the mods there have gotten really annoying with permanent bans for thin reasons. Erase Reddit. Join Lemmy and enjoy freedom.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I got permabanned for encouraging political violence: suggesting people draw pentagrams in chalk on a public street. As a joke, not like "show up at this time so we can do this."

    They are eroding the definition of "political violence" and they know it, they don't care. Thought is political violence now.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    Redefining political violence has been a tactic of authoritarianism for many decades. It starts with only ever pointing out one kind of political violence (ie, the right does violence, the left does violence in response, only the left's violence is covered). Then comes treating lesser violence from one side as a greater form of violence (ie, the right is using grenades, the left is using boxing gloves). Finally comes what you experienced, the elimination of freedom of expression on the grounds that speech leads to violence, even if what you're calling for is just a slightly weird form of propaganda to invoke thought rather than any kind of violence.

    I say all this in the hopes that someone on a different part of the scale somewhere can recognize the signs early enough to do something

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago* (4 children)

    I still use my banned account. I can sub/unsub, save posts and RES still works in my browser. I just can't comment, message or report people. Given I was mostly a helpful user with people's little questions, it's really their loss.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    You have to be careful with that account 'cause they continue to fingerprint you based on your account activity -subbbing/unsubbing- the less people using reddit, the faster it will die a natural death....like myspace.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    These "people" are wagging a war against humanity! They don't want you helping anyone! They decided they want something they can always control and tune to their needs, fake people, in a fake world.

    It's either us or them! Reddit must FALL!

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago

    No, I just stopped using it a couple of years ago when we learned about the AI bullshit. 251k+ Karma account.

    Reddit sucks now & it's simply not worth supporting with my time or energy.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Anyone managed to get around this?

    Considering how some people run hundreds of bots it must be possible.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    It's very hard on a device you actually use. They cross reference cookies from multiple ad networks and affiliates, they fingerprint your unique interests, your devices, it's actually fairly impressive. I've gone to some lengths and still gotten new accounts suspended after weeks or months. The people who run bots are using clean VMs to do it, everything totally fresh and unconnected.

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