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[–] 139 points 8 months ago (18 children)

my neighbor hood has one right at the entrance. I make a point of flipping it off every time i pass it. Also, If you were curious how many of these violations of privacy are around you. Here you go- https://deflock.org/map

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (12 children)

    No curiosity here. I just assume I'm being monitored everywhere I go now, though I keep my phone in a faraday bag when I'm not using it, so that at least is something.

    All a person can do now is manage the problem incrementally. I love the idea of people sabotaging doorbell cams though.

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  • [–] 31 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    This is too defeatist for me. I am upset to see these all over town, but too small minded to do anything about it. I want to start something to pressure community leaders to change, but i worry that i'll make a lot of noise then drop it like i do with everything. I'd love to join with a group.

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago

    Follow that link above. There’s a few great online communities around this. One involves keeping these camera out of places that don’t have them yet, for example.

    Check out Benn Jordan and Louis Rossman on YT as they are two people spearheading this from a social standpoint. Louis specifically regularly provides links to contacting your legislators about it, including things to say to them. It’s faster and easier than you’d think to do.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    A black trash bag, a roll of duct tape, and a ladder are not destructive but still very effective.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Just be aware, many of these cameras have multiple other cameras pointing at eachother. Also the map cant be trusted to show all cameras. my neighborhood alone, has at least 4 that dont show up on the map.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago* (5 children)

    On a macro scale I do think the privacy ship has sailed. Seeing the leaked illegal footage in the Guthrie case confirmed that the big tech companies are spying on us, storing the footage permanently, and leaking it to the government covertly upon request. I don't think it's unfair to presume that both ruling parties know and love this, which means we're never turning back that clock.

    On the local level, though, change is still eminently possible. I actually drafted an email to my HOA this morning about getting these doorbell cams banned in my building.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, I don't think it's reasonable to give up in the face of it.

    You should make it as hard as possible for them to track you, use private OpenSource software, advocate for it and don't be afraid if direct action, like destroying these cameras. The more people that do it, the harder it will be for them to do something about it.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Oh, I do.

    I just don't trust the majority to do anything meaningful themselves. It's why recycling doesn't work and why Democrats and Republicans keep getting elected. Our only power now is local.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Yup. And also we should advocate for our rights more locally. Organize with other people, raise awareness and do direct action.

    I think the most effective form of resistance is relationships and new local organisations and new structures that resist the forces of the state and of capitalism.

    If you are looking for some ideas, maybey you can look here or do your own research.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    both ruling parties know and love this, which means we’re never turning back that clock

    Stop this defeatist attitude. Yes, the Democrats are working for the ruling class. That doesn't mean we're so over, it just means we have to adapt our strategy. "Vote blue no matter who" is a dead strategy. Electoralism itself is at best harm reduction. We need to build a new movement from the ground up for the working class.

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  • [–] 133 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    This is exactly what this company deserves, to be smashed out of business and history.

    Reminder: If you destroy a camera, be aware that other cameras in the area may be recording you as well. Protect your identity.

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  • [–] 96 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Leave your fucking phone at home too.

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Faraday bags work... But test them.

    I got a cheapo $7 Chromebook sized bag that seemed to work for my SOs iphone. We don't use NFC so I couldn't test that.

    No BT, WiFi, or Cell, and probably no GPS.

    I only did casual testing.

    The screen still showed the signal having low bars for WiFi and cellular, but it didn't actually receive a signal at all when trying to call or use the net, not even with the top of the bag open a sliver and my hand in there.

    If the device was off or in airplane mode and in the bag, I'd be comfortable assuming it was safely hidden from tracking.

    I haven't thoroughly tested my various personal devices, but I expect identical results.

    I think everyone should probably have a bag like this around, in a go-bag or something, just in case. And it's safer to have your phone available than not, as long as it's secure (use a pin or password to lock it, use encryption, put emergency info on it for first responders).

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago

    If you're going to use a Faraday bag, use it regularly, like every day at random times.

    Imagine you are being accused of a crime. The crime occured at 8pm. The phone records show that your phone went dark at your house 7pm and then reconnected at 9pm at your house. The crime scene is 1 hour away from your home by foot. Records show this is the only time your phone went dark in a very long time.

    So if you bag your phone (aluminium foil bags work pretty good too), do it regularly, randomly, and don't bag it and unbag it immediately before leaving or after getting home

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  • [–] 239 points 8 months ago* (31 children)

    Good, fuck this panopticon dystopia shit.

    Also, some guy sliced the entire pole and left a message:

    hahaha get wrecked ya surveilling fucks

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  • [–] 73 points 8 months ago (17 children)

    They sell battery powered angle grinders at Harbour Freight.

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  • [–] 30 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Paint ball guns with permanent ink ammunition works too.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    i prefer the one in the picture by a commentor, permanently remove the flock camera.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Permanently remove that camera. They can always put up another. Inking the leanse or dome will still require I new camera installed. Actually shooting the camera with a real gun is probably the best option.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Waaaaay easier and cheaper to replace the lenses than a whole pole, including everything that was on it. And I think an angle grinder with some disks would cost about as much as a paintball gun with permanent ink ammo, and the former being much more bang for your buck in terms of damage done and also use other than for this.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    But the way this are repaired and replaced, one ability to damage or obstructe the camera quickly and without being noticed is going to be the most important thing. Ankle grinding on a poll for 2 min isn't ideal. What is the camera isn't mounted on a poll? The result is going to be a technician coming out and installing a new camera. Swing back around a couple well placed shots from 50 years away. Beats having to spend another 2min with a grinder.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    You can get the same thing cheaper via Craigslist and they’ll have a harder time tracing ownership. A crackhead hawking stolen hardware store crap is not going to really be as helpful to the surveillance state as they’d like.

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  • [–] 35 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Damn that's aluminium, not steel. You can do that with an angle grinder, reciprocating saw, or even a mapp gas torch

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Why shouldn't dot3 mixed with paint? Just so I know why to avoid it.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Brake fluid would etch the glass of the lenses. Cleaning the surface wouldn't return the camera to service. Better than paint would be any other substance to thin out the brake fluid for application, particularly if it were less noticeable than paint. That would cause the repair order to come in from lost data collection rather than a report of vandalism, denying them creeping time and that sweet, sweet data. Definitely don't do that.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I didn't know that, and I have used liters of the stuff. Learn something every day.

    Is it just Dot3? Dot4 is more common these days.

    BTW, kids, we are talking about brake fluid, so don't go spraying it on your camera lenses!

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    Was away for a few days and just saw this reply. Yeah, brake fluid is super corrosive, especially on glass. The DOT rating (3, 4, 5, etc.) doesn't play a role in how corrosive it is, it's more about the different additives and composition of the specific fluid and what it's service life is. The more you know...

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    Well, the CEO did openly invite and approve of this. In his own words, Flock cameras aren't forced on anyone. So the only logical conclusion is to destroy them if so desired.

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  • [–] 42 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    There's one a block from my house, and three blocks from my work, so they can see me coming and going each direction.

    ...BRB

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  • [–] 66 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Similar to what happened in Hong Kong a few years back when the CCP introduced metal telephone poles chock full of monitoring equipment and cameras.

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  • [–] 60 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Offtopic, but it's sad how all discussion about Hong Kong just slipped away into the void. I think this is the first time I've seen it mentioned in almost a year.

    One of my friends just didn't even remember it happening, he thought I was making it up at first.

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    It’s sad, but I don’t think there’s much else that can be done. I guess it’s all running how the CCP wants it now? (Or are there still protests we just don’t hear about?)

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Beijing inserted candidates into the local elections, won power and passed sweeping National Security laws which allowed for mass arrests and the breaking up of pro-democracy institutions. The key people in the movement were jailed. New laws, mass arrests and detainment effectively ended protests.

    TL;DR: it was crushed.

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