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[+] 131 points 8 months ago (22 children)
  • [–] 68 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    That and the US being such a large market while having some of the worst internet in the developed world. Last I read only ¼ of the network is fiber 

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago

    I live in France, has fantastic fibre, would still hate to play civilisation "in the cloud".

    There is just no incentive to do so IMO. Even a cheap mobile phone can render well enough, and I just hate any kind of even "possible" lag.

    /Rant off 😋

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago*

    I play games over 4G happily. Not likely to work very well with game streaming. Especially if everyone else is. I did it during covid and it was ok but input lag was noticeable. SSH dwarf fortress and got into cdda was a better experience.

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  • [–] 33 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    It's so stupid. It's a solution looking for a problem.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    What if everyone is on the cloud in the shooter?

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Would be cool to play civ5 on a long term server.

    I'm thinking something that emails you when its your turn too. Like playing chess over mail.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Civ over mail. Physical mail. Like those old mail chess games in the times before online chess (use https://lichess.org/ btw <3 ).

    Move a scout, wait 3-5 days for the answer.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Isn't that a thing in freeciv, that open source version of civilization?

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    There is a freeciv? How did i not know this

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, there's a web version of the game if you want to try it out, though it seems to be based on civilization 2 or 3 rather than 5 or 6.

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  • [–] 64 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    I suspect people will just keep their existing equipment running for as long as possible, and secondhand equipment will be worth almost as much as it was when new.

    This won't last forever.

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  • [–] 35 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I've been waiting for GPU prices to come back down to earth since 2019. I really hope you're right in a few more years.

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    In between the crypto scams and the AI hype, there was a brief moment of maybe a few months were GPU prices were affordable. Not good, but affordable enough so that normal people could buy them.

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  • [–] 55 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (10 children)

    Secret ending: you keep playing the huge selection of games we already have, endlessly, forgetting games you played a while ago as you restart one you already forgot.

    Edit: currently playing Warhammer 40k: Space Marine. So far it's really fun. It's as if you're playing Doom as a more normal guy.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    I have used an Xbox Gamepass trial a few times. Its a good deal honestly, especially if you play a variety of games.

    Except its competing with essentially a 40+ year backlog of games I own that Inhave collected over my life. I have zero need for it.

    And frankly, its biggest competition is something like HumbleBundle, where you can often get a pile of games per month to keep without the subscriotion.

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  • [–] 30 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Batman Lego just announced it was reducing ram recommendations to 16gb. Its a start

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  • [–] 25 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    We're just going to be demaking games incrementally as we scrounge older and older hardware for our mad max gaming PCs until we're playing a text adventure version of Minecraft on a green screen terminal.

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    3rd ending: Retro gaming makes a massive comeback.

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  • [–] 31 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    If this happens, there's a good chance companies like Nintendo and Sony will double down on trying to erase emulation as an option. Anyone developing emulators will be targeted (even moreso than they already are), and ROM sites will be taken down making it harder for the average person to find games. Now is a great time to build up an offline ROM collection ahead of this potentially happening in a few years, even if storage is currently expensive.

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    The first ending has already been happening.

    The second ending keeps failing to happen. We've got graveyards full of Cloud Gaming markets. Google Stadia, OnLive, Walmart's cloud service LiquidSky, and various smaller platforms like Vectordash and Bifrost.

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  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    The other good ending: People learn to disassemble e-waste and reuse stuff instead of throwing them in the trash. Think of all the SSDs, HDDs, and RAM sticks that are thrown out in old laptops and gaming consoles. It would be great to bring more of a reuse, repair, Maguyver, culture back to electronics.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Unfortunately a lot of secondhand hardware is destroyed. Storage devices due to privacy, other components because corporations are unwilling to expend the man hours needed to sell off perfectly good hardware and instead choose an e-waste recycler they can write off as an expense.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    It's lucky that my dad's supplier is sensible about these things, my family has I think 5 refurb Fujitsu laptops at €50 and €70 for the last one. Perfectly fine machines for study, browsing 3D-print terminals, vehicle diagnostics and such daily usage.

    The plateau of processing power and modern energy efficiency means far older machines are viable users for years and years.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Wish that happened more often. All these crypto mines or whatever that use massive CPU or GPU power should dump them on the market, but I’ve never seen dumps of low-cost hardware.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    The problem is that the crypto miners and AI servers run on purpose-built hardware now that can't be repurposed for gaming.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I mean, I'm happy to Maguyver my old laptop, I'm just not sure how much utility that last 8gb of ddr3 will deliver to my £5000 gaming rig

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    plays another 2,000 hours of dwarf fortress

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    I mean, if all new gaming becomes cloud based shit I'm just going to be playing old games on emulators forever, or at least as long as my computer functions. And then when that fails, I'll go back to analog enjoyments.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    When I think about it, between emulators and various icon collections I have enough games to last me for the rest of my life. And that's a feeling of being free, not trapped.

    I also have to do a shout-out for analog enjoyments. Interacting with the natural world and exercising all of your senses are just straight-up good for you.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I have a harddrive with about 2.7 TB of Ps2 isos. This should be enough for the next 10 years.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Just hope the cost of storage is reasonable when you need a replacement/backup

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    It's saved in a RAID system so theoretically I can risk one failure and still have a backup. On the other hand, the collection is available as a torrent with an acceptable number of seeders so I should be fine.

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  • Unless you're really chasing the big name games, you don't need that high powered of a rig anymore. Stylized graphics are better than highly realistic, they hold up better and longer. The most intensive game I have bought is STALKER 2 and even then my rig is holding up fine.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago

    If those Devs could read low level they'd be very upset

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Cloud gaming only happens if people break down and pay for it.

    But seeing the usage rates of Gamepass, I'm not encouraged.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    I think cloud gaming will be picked up because people are sheep already

    We already normalized installing malware under the guise of anticheat. Anything goes past this point.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago* (14 children)

    4th ending: The AI bubble bursts,AI companies goes bankrupt and RAM,SSD,Gpu and Consoles plummet to normal prices due to the companies selling their stuff.
    5th ending: People move on to used/older PCS and Consoles.
    6th Ending: People move on to older/simpler Open source/reverse engineered games that runs on Potato hardware.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    Unfortunately, you cannot buy gaming gpus, not because AI data centers are buying them, but because Nvidia would rather produce server GPUs than gaming GPUs. Same for memory. Once the AI bubble bursts, there still won't be gaming GPUs to buy unless Nvidia and everyone else switch production, and you cannot put a datacenter GPU in a regular computer.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    you cannot put a datacenter GPU in a regular computer.

    Bet?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Well, apparently an adapter card costs 80€ on AliExpress. But I'm not sure it will just work, maybe you need to get special drivers from Nvidia or something, and after you have the adapter and the datacenter GPU, you need to fashion your own cooling system for the GPU.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    thats sucks soo much,i hope its only Nvidia and Crucial right?

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    It doesn't matter if it's only them. They are the suppliers. So even if, say, Asus would like to sell gaming GPUs at a normal price (which they wouldn't, but let's pretend) they cannot do that because there is no supply, and the little supply of consumer chips left is sold to those that sell GPU at pumped prices and therefor can give more money to the suppliers

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    When the COVID recession started, dairy farmers were seen dumping surplus milk rather than sell it at a lower price. I foresee a version of this where companies start destroying silicon to keep the supply low rather than let the prices drop to sane levels.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Older PCs and consoles are only cheap now because people buy newer stuff.

    When the newer stuff becomes prohibitively expensive, old hardware and consoles will SKYROCKET as demand goes up, because nobody is MAKING more.

    Hoard tech now. We're not that far away from 2012 laptops going for $500.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (1 child)

    4th ending doesn't matter because after the AI bubble pops companies will do mass layoffs to reduce costs and nobody will have the income needed to buy components at normal price. By the time things start to stabilize there'll be some new reason consumers are priced out of the hardware market.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago*

    If big corporation fail to improve their games graphics, then gamers will have to find other criterias to choose what games to buy, like gameplay and actual content.
    If anything, it will leave more space for indie games. And larger productions will either stagnate on graphics or start producing more cartoonish content.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)
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