Beware (sh.itjust.works)
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[โ€“] 146 points 8 months ago (9 children)
  • [โ€“] 23 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    I need an intel driver to turn the fucking useless onboard graphics off. for debian. any tips?

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  • [โ€“] 25 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    any tips?

    My laptop has this option in the bios settings Not sure if it's only for laptops but you could check there.

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  • [โ€“] 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

    I checked, it's the easiest option and isn't on my stupid MSI motherboard

    https://www.msi.com/Laptop/GL62M-7REX/Specification

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  • [โ€“] 9 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Leave it to budget boards to exclude every possible useful setting but keep "boot from lan"

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    when I bought this fucker for ยฃ800 in 2018, I assure you it did not feel budget.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    You can't. Some laptops have the igpu as the dedicated driver of the display and can't do hardware mux. If your laptop doesn't offer the option in UEFI, it probably doesn't support it.

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  • [โ€“] 67 points 8 months ago

    I think it's more of a

    Open drivers vs proprietary drivers

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  • [โ€“] 58 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    That's the thing with AMD drivers, they're the damn near perfect software. Doing lots of stuff yet you'd never know it's there. It stays nicely out of the user's way, you don't even have to think about installing them and shit just works

    Then there are the Nvidia drivers

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  • [โ€“] 20 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    They are not perfect, but their developers โ€“ 1 or 2 actually allocated to work on in-kernel drivers, such as Mario Limonciello โ€“ almost are.


    I used em dashes to avoid a comma party, I promise I am not a LLM bot

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  • [โ€“] 104 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Iโ€™ve learned it best to use nvidia drivers with nvidia cards and the AMD drivers with the AMD cards. I recommend this for performance.

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  • [โ€“] 23 points 8 months ago* (15 children)

    i wish i could go to an amd card but i just upgraded my video card (geforce rtx 4060 ti) like 3 months before i decided to move to linux :(

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  • [โ€“] 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (11 children)

    Jo, no problem! Just use the proprietary drivers and vulcan, cuda etc. Just works

    Especially with a recent card, like a 4060. Problematic are only the cards which are considered legacy by nvidia (I think older than the GTX 900 series), because they do not update their drivers for newer kernels. In these cases resorting to nouveau (in-kernel driver for nvidia cards) is your best bet, but you will not use the cardโ€™s full potential.

    Edit: One can of course use proprietary drivers with legacy cards if you use a distro in a legacy kernel. But having old kernel then comes with less compatibility to other devices, as backports generally take their time.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    yeah its not too bad i have the regular drivers and nvidia-smi shows the card using the gpu for most things; and jellyfin works great too.

    i wish ff7 rebirth worked better but i think thats more of the game than a card.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 8 months ago (7 children)

    What distro do you use, generally, there is a relatively easy way to switch to the nvidia proprietary ones, or what is โ€œregularโ€in your case?

    Last time I switched nvidia drivers after initial installation, I had to uninstall (lib32-)vulkan-nouveau (32bit and 64bit) and install (lib32-)nvidia-utils manually, but I guess, that may distro specific.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    i'm on mint

    โžœ 11:11 katy ~ apt list --installed | grep "nvidia"
    
    libnvidia-cfg1-580/noble-updates,noble-security,now 580.126.09-0ubuntu0.24.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
    libnvidia-common-580/noble-updates,noble-updates,noble-security,noble-security,now 580.126.09-0ubuntu0.24.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
    libnvidia-compute-580/noble-updates,noble-security,now 580.126.09-0ubuntu0.24.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
    libnvidia-compute-580/noble-updates,noble-security,now 580.126.09-0ubuntu0.24.04.1 i386 [installed,automatic]
    libnvidia-decode-580/noble-updates,noble-security,now 580.126.09-0ubuntu0.24.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
    libnvidia-decode-580/noble-updates,noble-security,now 580.126.09-0ubuntu0.24.04.1 i386 [installed,automatic]
    libnvidia-egl-wayland1/noble-updates,now 1:1.1.13-1ubuntu0.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
    libnvidia-egl-wayland1/noble-updates,now 1:1.1.13-1ubuntu0.1 i386 [installed,automatic]
    libnvidia-encode-580/noble-updates,noble-security,now 580.126.09-0ubuntu0.24.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
    libnvidia-encode-580/noble-updates,noble-security,now 580.126.09-0ubuntu0.24.04.1 i386 [installed,automatic]
    libnvidia-extra-580/noble-updates,noble-security,now 580.126.09-0ubuntu0.24.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
    libnvidia-fbc1-580/noble-updates,noble-security,now 580.126.09-0ubuntu0.24.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
    libnvidia-fbc1-580/noble-updates,noble-security,now 580.126.09-0ubuntu0.24.04.1 i386 [installed,automatic]
    libnvidia-gl-580/noble-updates,noble-security,now 580.126.09-0ubuntu0.24.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
    libnvidia-gl-580/noble-updates,noble-security,now 580.126.09-0ubuntu0.24.04.1 i386 [installed,automatic]
    nvidia-compute-utils-580/noble-updates,noble-security,now 580.126.09-0ubuntu0.24.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
    nvidia-dkms-580/noble-updates,noble-security,now 580.126.09-0ubuntu0.24.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
    nvidia-driver-550/noble-updates,noble-security,now 550.163.01-0ubuntu0.24.04.2 amd64 [installed]
    nvidia-driver-580/noble-updates,noble-security,now 580.126.09-0ubuntu0.24.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
    nvidia-firmware-550-550.144.03/noble-updates,noble-security,now 550.144.03-0ubuntu0.24.04.1 amd64 [installed]
    nvidia-firmware-550-550.163.01/noble-updates,now 550.163.01-0ubuntu0.24.04.1 amd64 [installed]
    nvidia-firmware-580-580.126.09/noble-updates,noble-security,now 580.126.09-0ubuntu0.24.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
    nvidia-kernel-common-580/noble-updates,noble-security,now 580.126.09-0ubuntu0.24.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
    nvidia-kernel-source-580/noble-updates,noble-security,now 580.126.09-0ubuntu0.24.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
    nvidia-prime-applet/zena,zena,now 1.4.8 all [installed]
    nvidia-prime/noble,noble,now 0.8.17.2 all [installed,automatic]
    nvidia-settings/noble,now 510.47.03-0ubuntu4 amd64 [installed,automatic]
    nvidia-utils-580/noble-updates,noble-security,now 580.126.09-0ubuntu0.24.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
    xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-580/noble-updates,noble-security,now 580.126.09-0ubuntu0.24.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
    
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  • [โ€“] 1 point 8 months ago* (5 children)

    I see ๐Ÿ˜‡ you are already using latest proprietary nvidia drivers, if I read that correctly and you have nvidia-utils, which enables you to use Vulkan

    Anyway, on mint, one uses the GUI tool driver-manager to switch (nvidia)drivers:

    https://mintguide.miraheze.org/wiki/Driver_Manager

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 8 months ago (4 children)

    hm actually i thought i was right but they are recommending me the proprietary one

    PjXsZ3qUdwbP2K9.png

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    Hu? Your APT tells, that you have the 580 installed but GUI tells you have nouveau installed? ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

    Btw. The (open) means that nvidia has made parts of the driver open source

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    for the record i updated to 590 in the ui, restarted, and everything works great (also ff7 rebirth runs so much better)

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  • [โ€“] 20 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Never had an issue with my Nvidia card. OBS can use the hardware encoder out of the box. Just a few weeks ago upgraded to a AMD card and had to set some "advanced" settings in OBS to do the same. Really happy overall, but after seeing this meme for years I expected rainbows and sunshine but was unpleasantly surprised in that regard.

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  • [โ€“] 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    my nvidia card caused sleeping and hibernation to randomly and regularly fail, and it made me very vary of system updates breaking random things.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 8 months ago

    I never use sleeping or hibernation, so can't attest to that functionality.

    Updates never broke random things for me with regards to the gpu. My install is 7 years old, so it's been updated a lot.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    My nvidia card causes horrendous screen tearing in VR if my monitor supports variable refresh rate. I have to unplug the gaming monitor to use VR

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 8 months ago

    I don't have VRR monitors and only occasionally dabbled in VR, to my experience without issues besides ALVR disconnecting from SteamVR sometimes. I picked up the VR set now that my system is beefed up and I still have the same issue sometimes, so I'm not chalking this up to my older Nvidia card or drivers.

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  • [โ€“] 16 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I'm running wayland with nvidia-open and nvidia-utils packages, and have never encountered any driver issues in both graphics and compute.

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The only time I've ever really had issues with Nvidia drivers is when installing the meta package for CUDA (because it tends to include a previous version of the driver, which causes install/uninstall havok), or with laptops and hybrid graphics.

    But the laptop issue is almost completely gone with newer distros like Bazzite.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 8 months ago*

    because it tends to include a previous version of the driver, which causes install/uninstall havok

    To be fair, this is a packaging/distro problem, as CUDA should always work (and be kept in sync with) the newest graphics driver.

    ROCM and OpenVINO (AMD and Intel) are even more of a pain, actually.

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  • [โ€“] 14 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    AMD should make drivers for nVidia hardware. ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

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  • [โ€“] 11 points 8 months ago

    Intel be like that skeleton at the bottom underwater

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  • [โ€“] 35 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    When you want to do GPU processing for AI, crypto, video editing, etc, though, this gets reversed.

    Getting Cuda working on Linux with an nvidia card is relatively painless. Just a few well-documented commands, worked on the first try.

    I could never get AMD's equivalent to work on Linux, though, and it led me down a horrible rabbit-hole of trying a dozen different driver versions from a dozen different places, all with their own unique and quirky ways of installing... And it still never did work.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    For me cuda was painful. I did the well documented commands, rebooted and had no output on my laptop screen anymore. Probably a complication due to Optimus, but still...

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 8 months ago

    It was definitely Optimus. If you've got an Optimus laptop, everything bad in your life can somehow be traced back to it. Bad battery life? Optimus. Buggy video? Optimus. Hurts when you pee? Optimus. God I fucking hate Optimus.

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  • [โ€“] 10 points 8 months ago*

    Thats just poor distro support, kind of like CUDA in the past.. ROCM should "just work" if it's shipped right. But it's not really a priority with maintainers.

    Now, if you're trying to run CUDA stuff with ROCM, that's a whole different story. The bast majority of GPU software has extremely poor ROCM support compared to CUDA, and some of this is definitely from AMD footgunning.

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  • [โ€“] 7 points 8 months ago

    In LMDE4, 5 and 6, I pretty much had to install the OEM NVIDIA driver because the open source Nouveau driver didn't quite cut it, but for AMD, the stock driver that comes with LMDE7 has worked fine for my purposes so far.

    I may change my tune if I try to run a more modern game*, but that will likely put me back in Frankendebian territory which caused me problems under LMDE6. (As you might surmise, I upgraded to new hardware and tried to do things as I'd always done them when LMDE6 was current.)

    * Minecraft notwithstanding, because it both is and isn't modern. That can get above 1000 FPS if I don't limit it.

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  • [โ€“] 7 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    nvidia drivers are all dependant on who is implementing them

    I only ever have problems if the kernel is updated without the drivers, because I somehow updated before the video driver was included

    this is my experience for over 10 years now on Arch

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, have it setup in nix to just work and haven't had issues in years. When I ran arch (btw) I was routinely recovering my system from bad updates

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    how often did you update? I run pacman a couple times a month but rarely at the beginning of the week or on weekends. I've only had three or four OMG what just happened reboots. And twice it was something that needed the front page of the arch webpage calling out the fix, I know I should look there more often but I only ever do when it's so bad I can't make heads or tails of it

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  • [โ€“] 40 points 8 months ago (21 children)

    15 years ago this was true lol

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  • [โ€“] 35 points 8 months ago (14 children)

    3 years ago this was true. Not sure if nvidia works properly with wayland even now, though at least the trend is different now

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  • [โ€“] 27 points 8 months ago (12 children)

    It has no issues, NVIDIA just works these days (if you use a distro where you can choose to use proprietary drivers for it during installation)

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  • [โ€“] 17 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I mean yeah, but thatโ€™s a little like saying โ€œcomputers all have WiFi capabilities these days, as long as you only buy motherboards with built in WiFi.โ€ Itโ€™s a pretty large limitation to place on the userโ€™s choice. Especially when Linux users like to meme about certain distros being better or worse.

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  • [โ€“] 13 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    It used to be that there was no option at all, on any distro. You'd have the broken proprietary drivers, or the open source reverse engineered one with half the performance and unreliability in specialty features.

    Since then Nvidia has shifted focus to get their drivers working properly, and there were also changes making them more open source, tho I'm not sure that'd mean the "proprietary driver" will go full foss at some point.

    If op is to be believed, the proprietsry driver is already a lot more stable, so it's now a software licensing issue not an unfixable technical issue.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Are there distros where you can't do that? I mean, maybe Debian?

    I have had only a few issues with nVidia on Linux for a few years. But, I am using an old card. I'd like to live in the nice sunny castle, not the scary one with bad weather. But, at least I have mostly working shelter while I play my games.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Debian has proprietary software via opt-in through the non-free repository. However the Nvidia driver is horribly outdated so I had to install them directly. But now it works decently well. But my 1070TI is on borrowed time now no matter the OS ๐Ÿฅฒ

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, I have the same issue with my 1080. I haven't installed Debian in decades because everything in "stable" is so incredibly outdated. It's supposed to lead to a stable system, and in some ways it does. But, in other ways because everything is so out of date, people often have to install from source or find alternate packages, so it becomes possibly even more unstable.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    I think with flatpak it's fine nowadays. So I have the stable base Debian, but most applications are flatpak and for dev work I use containers or nix anyways.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 8 months ago

    Yeah, these days you don't need the base OS much anymore. That's why I like the Atomic distros. I'm running Bazzite and it's great. Someone else handles the upgrades of the base image, and I just run flatpaks or containers.

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  • From what I saw from my old room mate, it worked fine as of about 6 months ago. They got lower performance than on Windows, but still ran most games over 155fps (their monitor's refresh rate) without any notable bugs. They had one of the cards that was like $2k new a year or two ago, idr the number, I think 4090?

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The fps gap in games is still quite high with nvidia compared to windows, amd is almost on par now

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 8 months ago*

    This is the main reason I switched. I got about 30% less performance on a 3060 Ti in Linux than on Windows. And then Counter Strike 2 came out and I was fucked. Now I get about 30% more performance on Linux than on Windows with my 7900 XT (got it on super sale, so worth it). That is ultimately why I switched. And I can use sway and hyprland now, instead of i3. For me, the switch to AMD brought huge improvements.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 8 months ago

    this has not been my experience with AMD driversโ€ฆ

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 8 months ago

    On one hand, setting up complicated stuff is a challenge and also fun.

    On the other hand, I don't wanna pay a company doing propreitery stuff.

    On the other feet, prices are increasing due to chatbot girlfriend arms race between richest dudes on earth; are GPUs really even worth it anymore?

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Well, can't say for everybody, but i have no trouble running nvidia gpu on Hyprland with nvidia-open drivers. Haven't spotted any troubles with Plasma or MangoWC either, even though i haven't used them for as long.

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I'm super annoyed at Fedora workstation at this moment. My 240hz Samsung monitor can't use HDMI to get to 240hz, regardless of the quality of the cable. I have dual monitors and one is already using the type c so one of my monitors have to be 120hz.

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    It used to be this way and was one of my biggest complaints. It's no longer this way. Drivers for my Nvidia card works fine on my mint and arch setup.

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