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[–] 89 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Dumb as fuck on top of fuck.

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  • [–] 27 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Republicans want immigrants as long as they are tied to a visa, which makes the immigrant reliant on their employer to stay in the country. It's basically a personalized tyranny.

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  • [–] 68 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    If the only way an industry could survive is through immigration, it is obvious that there needs to be a legal path for the skilled workers to immigrate. Maybe this should have been considered before the deportation surge.

    But I suspect given the sponsors of this legislation that this is unlikely to have a path to citizenship and will amount to indentured servitude.

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  • [–] 38 points 9 months ago

    MAGAs are inherently lazy, and thinking is hard, so they don't think beyond their initial pleasure at seeing the Libz getting outraged at their bullshit.

    It never occurs to them that Libz are pissed that the stupid policy is going to cost a LOT of money, raise prices, kill people, etc. Then those things happen, and MAGA is pissed that Libz let it happen.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    They want the "migrant worker" paeudo-slavery thing they do in other parts of the world, where laborers are a separate class of worker which don't have rights. And by dont have rights, I don't mean like the current state of affairs where the constitution still applies to undocumented immigrants. They want to codify a separate class of non-rights into law for these people so they can never sue their employer, don't have a minimum wage, can be charged for housing, etc

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (1 child)

    giving them legal citizenship/permanent residents meanign they would have give higher wages and pay more taxes, people arnt going to pay for that, both republican/dem homeowners.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago*

    My understanding was that many farm workers were entirely legal under temporary work programs. Farmers need a flood of additional workers during harvest, that they can’t afford year round, and people in lower income countries can benefit from a month or two of higher pay.

    That’s one of the things that seem missing from this conversation. What parts of it work or don’t work? Wouldn’t it have been much cheaper, easier, respect human rights and the law to adjust that where necessary? (But probably needs to include consequences for companies)

    How is that program doing? Still allowed? How do farmers expect to handle the work? Are people being terrorized by ice into not participating because they can expect inhumane treatment based on the color of their skin?

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  • [–] 52 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    If ICE is rounding up anyone who looks Hispanic, ignoring or dismissing their papers, then a new visa isn't going to help, is it?

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  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    So apparently ICE doesn't accept given official id anyways, why is anyone going to want to come on a hope they don't end up in a concentration camp? Yeah I'm not betting on those odds.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    well they are buying WAREHOUSES TO BE turned into concentration camps.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Few stories I've read lately is their ideas are much larger than warehouses, like a 100k person prison, billions of dollars. How this isn't causing total shutdown of the US by general strike is horrifying as a neighbor. I can't imagine how they think they're in a democracy, though I'm sure many of them probably understand that which is even scarier. I bet those ones will be surprised when they're on a list for some reason too, there always needs to be enemies afterall.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    i forgot to add, that since warehouses are often poorly ventilated, it will cause extreme temperatures like it gets too hot or too cold. meaning they Intended that the "camps" to kill at least some of the prisoners.

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Texas builders were happy to exploit people who they could underpay for their labor due to their precarious position. If we gave immigrants regardless of status workers rights like minimum wage and union protection the new complaint wouldn't be about deportations, but about how wages are too high right now.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Texas builders were happy to exploit people who they could underpay

    Just like the entire USA pretty much since it was created.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago*

    Its almost like the immigration laws only exist to create a permanent underclass and they worked really well at doing exactly that.

    Imo, anyone in a trump concentration camp should just get citizenship as part of the de-trumpification process.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Brocero Program 2.0

    It's funny how the US relationship with Mexico and South America has ping-ponged back and forth between "We need these people to sustain the economy!" and "These people are invaders who are erasing our culture!" for like the last century.

    I said it back during Trump's first term and I'll say it again (and again and again as time moves forward, as I'm sure people will never wise up to the game) - illegal immigration is a nothingburger of an issue that gets puffed up every time an authoritarian needs a scapegoat to blame all of societies woes on.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    The worst part is the people don’t even want to stay here. If they could, they would come to work, and then leave after they made their money so they could be with their families. But they’re scared they won’t be able to come back so they never leave.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago

    Fuck no. Migrant workers can have jobs with people who won't fuck them over. Until members of the Regime are forced to be worm food, the USA ain't fit to hire anybody.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago*

    This brand new visa is called the:

    Standard

    Labor

    Agreement

    for

    Varied

    Employment

    Or SLAVE for short. Please disregard the similarity to the word depicting the oppression of others. It REALLY has nothing to do with that. REALLY!!!

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Deport a shitload of people at great financial and human cost, then spend more money to create an entirely new class of visas so they can come back to a country that has not just deported migrants legally here, but people who have citizenship! Very small government and big brained.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, but it makes sense if you assume that they'll only give those visas to white people.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    White people willing and able to do construction work in Texas cost more, if they can be found at all.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago*

    true, ive never seen a white construction worker working on houses "except maybe one time", its either hispanics or asians, but asians only serve asian customers theres are also language barrier anyways, its eaiser to communicate in spanish than with mandarin/catonese so that group is out.

    and white ones usually work on commercial buildings instead where the money is likely better.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago

    SURE, get a visa, then ICE sees you, beats you and maybe kills you, then throws you into a deplorable concentration camp for weeks.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    If ICE can detain you without checking your papers and with no due process for the crime of looking a bit too bronze, what good is a new type of visa?

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago

    Funny, I remember Florida running into a similar issue a few years ago when DeSantis passed that law making it illegal for migrant workers/immigrants to drive or for US citizens to drive them.

    Houses left to rot as workers fled the state and supply chains disrupted as freight trucks refused to enter the state and simply dumped their loads at the border.

    I never did hear how that worked out for them, but I imagine they quietly walked back that law and pretended that it never happened.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago

    They want an endless supply of people they can keep pointing to as the 'out crowd.' They keep using the stick, but neglected any use of the carrot. Now the mule has gotten wise to them.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    Imagine how desperate one would have to even have a fleeting thought of applying for this visa. And again, why aren't they addressing the businesses role?

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Probably the only guy who became president in a very long time to actually have a well thought out immigration policy was George W. Bush (yes, the war criminal) back when he was governor of Texas. He even wanted to implement some of it as president. Unfortunately, he was a dummy, Cheney was a cartoon villain, and 9/11 absolutely derailed any conversations about doing anything that did not involve killing muslims and erroding Americans' civil liberties.

    To this day, some of his immigration ideas are what MAGA would call super woke.

    https://www.bushcenter.org/topics/immigration

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)
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    From the House member's page:

    The legislation responds to pressing labor shortages in essential industries by creating a market-driven temporary worker program that adapts to economic conditions. The bill creates a new H-2C nonimmigrant visa, available to employers who prove their positions have gone unfilled for three consecutive months and in areas where the unemployment rate is 7.9% or less. 

    Wasn't this a pain point with H-1Bs? They want things to cost less but don't want to bring in cheap foreign labour to depress wages? How do they not understand supply and demand? "Go be a plumber, they make good money" "Wow, this quote I got from that plumber is so high" "Me be a plumber? No way"

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I figured this would happen

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Hey can a fellow leopard pass me some of that face-flavored popcorn?

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It's so stupid it hurts. And even if they get such a solution, nobody will come anymore.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Can we all just agree to not give a shit about Texas? Oh, and Florida.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    And the visasl application deposits are efficiently channeled into accounts coincidentallt controlled by whom?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    A tale as old as time.

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