Maybe this is a regional thing but I've always called it the US

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[–] 32 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

I hear "The states," "The US," and "America" equally used here in Cali. Almost never do I hear "The USA" unless it's said like "the good 'ol US of A."

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago (19 children)

    I refer to it as "the US", but refer to myself as an "American."

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

    I'm a US citizen and lived there most of my life but refuse to call myself American. I'd rather call myself after my home state or country of birth, but saying you're from the US is an embarrassment. That country never did anything for me anyways, I spent my life fighting against it

    I no longer live in the US

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (13 children)

    To add to the confusion. The Americas (or America) comprise the landmasses of North and South America in the Western Hemisphere

    People living in North and South America (or the Americas) can also be called American or Americans if the were referring to the landmass.

    Strangely the United States IMO is the only country that seems to indicate the landmass its situated on when using the full name, the United States of America. Not to mention the indication of a union of individual states as well.

    Several single-word English demonym alternatives have been suggested over time, for example Columbian, Columbard, Fredonian, Frede, Unisian, United Statesian, Colonican, Appalacian, Usian, Washingtonian, Usonian, Uessian, U-S-ian, Uesican, and United Stater.

    Saying someone is a United Statesian or Statesian is probably the closest to how other countries like Canada (Canadian) or Mexico (Mexican) refer to themselves. If we forget that pretty much all other countries are a unity of states, counties, and or provinces.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demonyms_for_the_United_States

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Several single-word English alternatives have been suggested

    Some of these make sense, but several of them would only refer to a specific area in the U.S. (e.g. Washingtonian) or are really out of left field (e.g. Fredonian).

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    I'm assuming Washingtonian would be refering to the man, not the state that refers to the man. I mean, it's a silly name, but not for the reason you state.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    You do know it is actually named "the United Mexican States", right? The name of the US is simply bad from the beginning and sometimes you can't fix bad. Unless they take over all of the Americas, I guess. Then it's a good name. Bad move, but good name.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    I do, most countries are a unitity of states, counties, or provinces.

    It would be so confusing if Mexico never settled on a name for its united states and called themselves the United States of America

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    "Saying someone is a United Statesian or Statesian is probably the closest to how other countries like Canada (Canadian) or Mexico (Mexican) refer to themselves. If we forget that pretty much all other countries are a unity of states, counties, and or provinces. "

    I was refering to this part of your post. United Statesian or Statesian doesn't make sense to correlate to Mexicans. They are both united states. As for Canada, I think they might be a confederacy and thus united states as well, but I also believe their semi-official name is actually Canada.

    As for most countries being united of sorts, I'm willing to accept that as an axiom, but I'm doubtful it is part of their cultural identity in the majority of cases. Maybe on a per capita basis.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Thats's cuz English Language sucks.

    In Chinese Language for example: A 美國人 (American (Country)) and a 美洲人 (American (Continent)). But in English both are "American".

    Also so many syllabels converying so few info.

    Literally 4 syllabels for "American"

    But "美國人" or "美洲人" are both 3 syllabels and already contains [America-Country Person] or [America-Continent Person]

    Sorry, no offense to English speakers, but as a polyglot, I just had to comment this xD

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    All languages convey information at roughly similar rates. Those with less information per syllable tend to say more syllables per minute. It's a fascinating area of linguistics!

    All natural languages have ambiguities where the meaning of a word depends on context due to changes over time.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    In my country you can know someone's politics just by knowing if they call people from the USA americanos or estadounidenses.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    estadounidenses

    people actually use this in conversation?

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

    When they aren't imperialist bootlickers.

    ps: In Portuguese, United States is Estados Unidos - hence estadounidense.

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  • [+] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)
  • I’ve seen estadounidense in a Spanish newspaper before, and for some reason this word is very hard for me to spell.

    In French too, there’s “états-unien” (also spelled “étatsunien”). It’s little known and rarely used (in France). I have no idea if it’s more often used by left-leaning speakers. (I do use it from time to time, and I think it can be useful to avoid ambiguity.) I can imagine its use being more common and more political in Québec, compared to France where I live?


    While writing this comment, I stumbled on a letter from a very angry listener who wrote to the French public radio “arbitrator” (don’t know if it’s the right word) to complain about a guest using the word “étatZunien” (his spelling) several times (gasp) on the air. Apparently, the listener believed the word to be made up, and he wasn’t the only one who wrote to complain about it.

    And the arbitrator’s like “um, dude, it’s a real word, it’s in the dictionary since 1961”.

    There’s no point linking to that here, really — the letter’s all written in very incoherent French — but it made me laugh.

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  • [–] 27 points 9 months ago

    Safe to just call it shithole now.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago

    “This is America! I’ll call it whatever I want!”

    I use America a lot

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    I use "the U.S." or "States".

    There's more than one America.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (9 children)

    But not more States, united or not...?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    I've been lucky enough to travel a fair amount. If I say, "I'm from the States.", people knew that meant the USA.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (5 children)

    They will. They will also know if you say you are from America. My point was that one is no better than the other, from an accuracy point of view. Both have multiple meanings.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yet, I've never encountered anyone else from around the globe that uses the term "the States" to indicate whichever country they're from.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    And that is my point! Or half of it, I should say. I've made too many comments in this thread to keep track of myself. Contextually it works, but that doesn't make it more suitable than American as that works equally well. No one that isn't trying to be obtuse will think you mean Mexican when you say American, even though it is technically as correct.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    I heard in a podcast recently that many people in the US still believed Africa was a country, and I couldn’t help but wonder if this is somehow related to their using the name of their continent to designate their own country.

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  • Red Green calls us "americans", i call us fucked. Take your pick.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    That's just not true.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    I'll call it "the US" at the beginning of a conversation but mix it in with America afterwards as the context shows I'm talking about the US and not the continent.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    Because I've been told by people of the other nations of these two continents that it bugs them and I had a nice and easy alternative

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    I use them interchangeably. 🤷

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago*

    When I hear the word "America", I always have the mental image of someone that speaks English in a non-American (or even non-Anglosphere) accent, and that this person either really likes America or really hates The US, no in between. Like sometimes I picture a person saying "America" in a heavy russian accent I think it just sounds so funny. I think I watched too many movies and I just like the russian accent... it sounds very intimidating and that's why it had that sort of "cool factor".

    Also, I kinda mix both depending on how my brain is thinking. Sometimes I think my thoughts in Chinese and the "美國" automatically converts into English as "America", cuz nobody says "合眾國" (United States) in Chinese (at least not in the variants/"dialects" that I know of), cuz it feels like a generic term like "The Republic", doesn't make a lot of sense unless referring specifically to domestic politics.

    As a Naturalized American Citizen, I sometimes feel like the term "American Citizen" feels like a wrong term, and the term "US Citizen" feels more "correct" to say.

    I think that in Chinese, sometimes I hear "民國" (shortened from the full term 中華民國) to refer to ROC and I think "共和國" (shortened from the full term 中華人民共和國) can similarly be used similar to refer to PRC, when used in the context of Chinese history.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    I hear almost exclusively people referring to the country as "America". This was actually a very conscious shift at the turn of the 20th century for people in public life to refer to the country as "America" instead of "the US" or "the United States" as we ..... acquired overseas territories and weren't a country only of United States anymore

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    I use both as well as USA and united states.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    The dumber kids I went to middle school with called it America

    Granted, that was in the 90s

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I've noticed this too but it seems like a left vs right thing. But never "the USA"

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I'm all for a less voracious term by which to refer to ourselves, but it'd help if it were a little neater than "United Statesian."

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Could be regional, but I hear it quite often.

    There are some instances where it feels more correct to say US, but for everyday use I probably say America more.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    It's a question of shorthand and relative distance to the country. In most European languages, the spelling equivalent of America refers to the country by default. The continent as an entity doesn't get mentioned that much and when it does either context gets you there or a regional attribute like a cardinal direction or central. In my experience this applies to British English as well. "The United States" is often more cumbersome in translation and might require grammatical inflection when used in a local language - and confusingly could refer to Mexico as well. Funny enough though some languages adopted "USA" as another way to refer to the country, even if in translation this should get you a different letter combination.

    Because of the dominance of the English in the United Kingdom, a lot of continental Europeans lazily refer to the UK as their version of "England." Might be Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, a channel island or what have you. We gave up in trying to distinguish. People and how they call places are like that. Quiet understanding beats accuracy.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    UK always struck me as a bit imperialist wrt (Northern) Ireland, GB more neutral… but seemingly Scotland isn’t a massive fan of that one either, so

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    I think that is a slight misconception. The full name is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. So UK≠GB. Great Britain is just the three contiguous home nations (and possibly all the weird little islands I think). And then the British Isles include all the islands including all of Ireland. It is no wonder people are confused.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I just meant the name “United Kingdom” was conceived not long after the crushing of the Irish Rebellion where thousands of people were killed trying to secede from a union that’d fifty years later cause the Great Famine

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago* (6 children)

    US Americans seem to refer to themselves as “Americans” a lot on social media. Or they refer to themselves as “the world” like in “this icecream is the best in the world” (without having visited any other country for a significant time to be able to compare). In Europe, US Americans are referred to by different names: the popular „yanks“, the German “Amis” (die spinnen doch, die Amis), depends on the country. The prevalence of new names is increasing rapidly, e.g. Trumpists, US twerks, dropkicks.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Really? So no one ever anywhere but the US uses the exaggeration ‘best in the world’? Get off it.

    You sorta had me in the first half, and there is definitely lots of criticism for US treating say….online spaces as an extension of the US, but you chose to go with ‘greatest in the world ice cream’ as the example? I mean, sure.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    The irony of saying that only the US uses hyperbole

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    No, but it certainly seems like hyperbole is the default for Americans. Everything is “awesome, “amazing,” “SO fucking _____,” “the most,” “the worst,” “the best”… I don’t think they understand how strange it sounds to most people, speaking that way about nearly everything.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    You're not wrong, I was just poking fun at the original comment making a hyperbolic statement about hyperboles

    I'd bet that a lot of it comes from how pervasive advertising is; we're constantly bombarded by ads that use that kind of language, so it's worked its way into everyday language

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Definitely a regional thing.

    Most notably, the region of the United States in the Americas.

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    Slightly off topic, but 'round 'ere (NZ) there's a difference between referring to the people/population as 'Americans' and sometimes 'Yanks' (sorry) and referring to the political entity 'The US' or 'The States'.

    Though, the few Americans I know tend to refer to themselves in terms of their state rather than the union anyway, even in another country. E.g. "where are your from?" "I'm from California" or whatever.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I actually use both, depending on the context of the conversation and the people I am speaking with. I do this partially because I understand we are one of three Americas. If I am speaking to someone who isn't a U.S. citizen, I'll say U.S. But to other U.S. citizens, I'll say America because we know the implied meaning when we say it.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Semantically America is the continent and the US(A) is the country, so I try to say US(A) when I refer to the country or it's citizens

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    'murca (not sure if anyone actually calls it that).

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    Thought we were calling it Amerikkka or the imperial core.

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