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[–] 41 points 9 months ago (1 child)

As an accomplished wizard, I can definitively state that fireball is the first, best solution to all problems.

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  • [–] 29 points 9 months ago

    Entrée Madame la Guillotine

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  • [–] 134 points 9 months ago (22 children)

    I don't understand this either. A few protests that aren't even in the news after a single day!?

    You want to bet, it won't be any different if trump says there was too much fraud and cancels the midterm results? A week of protests and outrage, but by then he will already do something else outraging to talk about. Americans are neutered.

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  • [–] 114 points 9 months ago (15 children)

    There's always the excuse that they can't take one single day off from work because they'd lose healthcare coverage yada yada. I used to think it was bullshit, that they're just lazy.

    But... remember during covid, when a ton of people became unemployed? Suddenly they were protesting all over the place. Made me reconsider. I think the lack of social security really has them by the balls.

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  • [–] 69 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    I read many -if not most- live paycheck to paycheck. If so, the problem might go way deeper than that.

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  • [–] 41 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    By the "official" numbers, at least 1 out of 3 Americans live paycheck to paycheck.

    At least

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    IIRC it’s 1 in 3 households are living paycheck to paycheck.

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago

    I mean, yes obviously it does. I don't begrudge anyone for being unable to comprehend life without all the basic safety nets civilized countries offer, but we can already barely afford food and rent. Oh got some weird medical thing that's concerning? Well I hope it's not cancer, buy a bunch of Tylenol and just hope it goes away. Doctor too expensive.

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  • [–] 41 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Yes, I agree. The system neutered them, I'm sure otherwise they are normal people. But the education they have. The price they gave to pay for it, theb guarded two party system where officias are bought by the rich, the bought media, the lack of healthcare and it's price, ...

    This has produced the perfect cattle. The American aristocracy have made the perfect system, where everyone thinks they are free and are too uneducated, busy and sick to think about how much they are exploited.

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  • [–] 25 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Also a fully militarized police force in all 50 states some which rival the power of nations

    The NYPD has over 30,000 cops, some 10k+ support staff and similar firepower to the active militaries of some European countries, and that’s just 1 city. Also the us military sells surplus and “necessary” equipment directly to police departments

    There are also 50 separate states and each of those states has a rural/urban divide covering over nearly 3000 miles across of diverse geography without including Alaska or any of the islands.

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Honestly the police are the real problem. They're never part of the local community in any real sense, they've been too brainwashed into an us vs them mentality.

    Which means that every single American is effectively living in 'occupied' territory and they can't even depend on their communities banding together to fend off attacks. They'll simply be stabbed in the back by their own cop neighbors.

    In a sane country, local police would've majorly curbed ICE's activities simply because they were foreign agents messing around in 'their' city. Instead we've seen time and time again that when it matters, police will always side with our oppressors regardless of the legality or morality of it.

    Which is why it seems so hopeless to many of us. How can we fight an entire government, military AND every single cop all at once?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago*

    Yeah and that’s without even dealing with the national guard or actual Feds if serious uncontrolled riots break out

    America is one of the most locked down countries on earth with widespread state sanctioned violence

    When the EU is 50 countries big with half like Hungary and each gets an actively violent and murderous police army they can start lecturing Americans about violent protests

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Yeah, many people do not realize what we are up against. There is a GIANT imbalance of violent power. Any violent resistance would be lone wolves, or small groups that may not be able to coordinate. Most people who give a fuck about everyone’s future will be shot, blown up, or jailed. Everyone else will feel bad, yet go along to get along. They will value their family’s comfort above everyone else’s. They probably won’t consider past grandchildren. They will consider their time overlapping their children’s and grandchildren’s lives, but no further. Their foresight is short, and selfish.

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    A few protests that aren't even in the news

    Depending on how much you rely on main stream (especially legacy) news, you're highly unlikely to see one protester on the news for every ten thousand on the street.

    Turns out that the billionaires and hectomillionaires that own all of the biggest media outlets don't like to draw attention to people criticizing their golf buddies when they don't have to.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I'm not saying we shouldn't do more, but there are plenty of ongoing protests. Just because you don't see them in the news everyday didn't mean they aren't happening. Minneapolis, Portland, LA, DC and more all have protests that have been more or less ongoing since the shit hit the fan in their respective areas. The difference between this country and Franve can't be understated im terms of geographic size and population density. It is MUCH harder to sustain protests when we're all so spread out compared to am entire country the size of Texas.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    It's not about that. Your protests are meaningless. They don't do anything. They are just pointless parades. The officials don't need to care about them.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I don't think people outside the country realize how much the establishment and the right wants violent demonstrations. That's what they've been trained for and what they're salivating for. We have a lot of experience with the entire machine pivoting on a dime to turn a single dumpster on fire into an apocalyptic event that justifies any and all violence against the protestors. Just look back at the coverage in 2020 to see just how absolutely bloodthirsty the establishment is.

    And you know what the wildest thing is? Even without something that the news can paint as "violent riots burning the cities down", they shot and killed so many people and have done such casual atrocities, that people aren't on board with. I saw a clip of news casters talking with glee about how exciting the election season will be, because the violence has push people away from the establishment and the right.

    So, maybe we are all kinda holding our breath while finding ways of fighting back that don't immediately being the force of the U.S. Government down upon our communities' heads, and maybe that makes for worse television, but I'm not sure television coverage is on our side right now.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    They don't need to be violent. There are other ways, but mostly its about numbers and leadership. You don't seem to have either.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago

    I really wonder what you must see when you look at the Minneapolis protests. I wonder what you think is missing there. I wonder what you think of all the protests, big and small, across the country that get no press. I wonder if you think what they're missing is, as the post we're under posits, the news painting protestors as burning down their cities.

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    I like to think this is the real reason the French have been vilified as cowards and weak in the American Zeitgeist.

    So we don’t look at our brothers in arms and join with them.

    American Liberalism was the basis of the left, and we kicked it right out of the USA after the civil war, The French however took it and ran.

    We need to dump some cow shit in front of the White House and set some tires in fire.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    I've been thinking this too for a little while now. It fits too perfectly. Throughout my adolescence, I hated the French. Proudly, openly, I thought it was funny and edgy for some reason, because I've always been disgusted by racism and I am a tiny part French. Edgy teenage bullshit. As I aged out of teen years though, there came a point where something caused me to investigate my own bias with honesty. And when I did, I found it to be totally empty and devoid of substance. I had absolutely no real reason to dislike the French, and these days I feel nothing but love for them.

    I'm convinced the only reason I ever hated them was because of propaganda. Never had a bad personal experience. And Parisian 'rudeness' is revealed to be, in my opinion, simple straightforward bluntness. The propaganda is incredibly effective. Americans would benefit greatly if we could all take just a few notes from them; they have a cultural understanding that the government works for the people, not against. And if it's not doing it's job, take whatever action needed to restore balance. Seeing footage of their protests starting a few years back really opened my eyes to what could be done.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    UK here, no-one pretends to hate the French more than the UK. We have literally hundreds of years worth of war and shared inbred rulers between us.

    Personally, I have nothing but mad respect for how fast the French are to whip out a quick reminder of how it starts, with the strong implication that everyone remembers how it ends if left ignored.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    Their dock workers aren't even inconveniencing anyone.

    How's it even a country?

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  • [–] 80 points 9 months ago (36 children)

    In France, the worst they will likely be met with is water cannons, tear gas, and potentially rubber bullets/beanbag rounds.

    In America, it's more likely to be automatic assault rifles.

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  • [–] 45 points 9 months ago* (2 children)
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    Sure and that gets a wikipedia page for you to cite. You're not wrong, just heavily downplaying the problem with this whataboutism. It's not about France where this thing is an exception, but about the US where this is becoming the norm.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    On 27 June 2023, Nahel Merzouk (25 February 2006 – 27 June 2023),[1] a 17-year-old French youth of Moroccan and Algerian descent,[2] was shot at point-blank range and killed by police officer Florian M., when he did not comply with an order to stop and instead attempted to drive away in Nanterre, a suburb of Paris, France. Initial reporting on the incident (informed by police statements) was later contradicted by a video posted online, which led to widespread protests and riots. Symbols of the state such as town halls, schools, police stations, and other buildings were attacked.[3] The Interior Ministry reported that more than 5,000 vehicles had been set on fire, along with 10,000 garbage cans; nearly 1,000 buildings had been burnt, damaged or looted; 250 police stations and gendarmeries had been attacked; and more than 700 police officers had been injured.[4][5]

    The killing—condemned by President Emmanuel Macron as "inexplicable" and "inexcusable"[6]—became part of a broader public debate regarding aggressive French law enforcement,[7] racial profiling,[8] immigration,[9] and the stakes of naming the subsequent suburban violence "rioting" rather than "revolts".[10] On 28 June, the president of the National Assembly, Yaël Braun-Pivet, asked deputies "to respect a minute of silence in Nahel's memory".[11][12]

    Police kill someone in France:
    Massive violent protests, burning police stations and police cars
    Incident condemned by government

    Police kill someone in the USA:
    Nonviolent protests
    Government defends the killer

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    automatic assault rifles

    This is redundant, by definition all assault rifles have auto or burst fire modes. Anyone (including lawmakers) in the US who claims otherwise is incorrect.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I'm not American. I'm only aware of them in passing. It's not the sort of thing we learn about in school, over here.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

    I have breathing issues due to being tear gassed too often, my left shoulder suffers from very painful tendinitis that will probably never go away due to being tossed on the ground / beat up, got an acquaintance who lost an eye to a rubber bullet, that's the life of a regular french demonstrator.

    You are severely underestimating the violence of french anti-riot policing methods. Those weapons might sound chill due to being labeled "non-lethal", but they're actually quite lethal (people die regularly) and violate the Geneva protocol (tear gas usage is theoretically banned on civilians).

    If you believe it's that relaxed, come demonstrate in France, see what it's like to be charged at by 100 dudes in full body armor swinging at you trying to do maximum damage while you're caught in a cloud of toxic gas with nowhere to run. You thought the press could cover your ass by filming the police violence, or that the government would do something about police brutality? Guess what, they target journalists too, and our govt encourages police brutality.

    If you're looking for excuses, don't drag us into it. Protesting in France isn't an easy affair, we genuinely put our lives on the line every time we go out there. It's the police that decides how violent protests are, the reason you hear so much about french "riots" is because our police keeps escalating the violence. We have a peaceful nature.

    Americans need to shut the fuck up about the rest of the world I swear. You're not that special. 

    Rubber bullets banned in many countries, people lose eyes to them in France

    Tear gas long term health effects

    Casualties from the yellow vest protests

    Police violence on journalists

    This documentary's trailer should tell you enough about our riot police situation

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I'm UK based btw. I had my tangles with the police at protests in my younger days. It's intimidating, even when nominally peaceful. I have a lot of respect for those of you willing to face off against the nastier crowd control methods.

    It's worth noting that there is still a huge difference between what you dealt/deal with and shoot-to-kill military weapons fire.

    If I thought it would help, I would (unhappily) deal with tear gas etc. I'm too old, with too much to lose to risk rubber bullets etc, but respect those that would. VERY few people would face gunfire without the ability to fire back. The American Left is not at the point where they are willing to escalate to that point.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Well if it's strictly about guns, then the american left has a point to prove about the second amendment.

    Is it only there to help school shooters, or is it about well regulated militias opposing tyranny?

    Waiting and watching.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Their biggest problem is media capture. With the loss of twitter to Musk, there's no large scale organisation path that hasn't been captured.

    As the phrase goes. "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised"

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    French cops: using less lethals according to the manual.

    'Merica cops: point blank, headshots (unless you're preggers), gas the kids

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    If you think french cops follow the manual I have a bridge to sell you

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    checks the Internet search engine

    American police are significantly more lethal, with fatal shooting rates in 2019 being 22 times higher (3.1 per million) than in France (0.14 per million).

    ... ... I dunno, that feels like a pretty significant difference

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    That still doesn't mean french cops are not also dangerous during protests. I'm not trying to say they're more dangerous than your brown shirts, I'm saying that protesting also isn't risk free in France, and claiming that french cops follow the rules is simply incorrect.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    When you look at the damage French protests cause vs the violence they incite in cops, it's relatively safe compared to the violence us cops perpetrate in retribution to completely peaceful protests in the us, or even just violence top bystanders in the US. Add in that French protests actually accomplish something and the risk benefit calculations are so totally different.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago

    Protests are famously attractive for the kind of person who enjoys hurting others, on both sides. Difference is that only one side can hurt others while being protected by the system.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    You say that like you can’t get your own automatic assault rifles in America.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    You can't. I feel like you don't know what an automatic rifle or an assault rifle is.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    You can, they just cost like $10k-$50k (if you want one legally).

    Otherwise, crime gonna crime.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Modifying them is trivially easy, so any can be full auto, but burst fire is superior anyway. Full auto is only for psychological coolness.

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    The majority of Americans are over worked, stressed out and do not have the energy to start a general strike or create another 1789. However, an individual AmeriKan will resort to the quick and easy violence with a firearm to solve a problem. Weird. I respect the French and their ability to organize a general strike better than anyone in Europe and the planet.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    It's also borderline impossible to organize on the scale needed without getting infiltrated by the feds here. The US is fucking enormous, which means we need large scale organization to really do much, but opsec only gets more complicated and more difficult the larger you organize, especially when your resources are limited.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Dictators use instigators to escalate the situation and remove personal freedoms. People are being smart and not falling for instigators, all history books shows how they use infiltrataded people to cause the authoritarian regime to attack protester. So I think people are being smart and they afraid from midterms and trying everything to see if they can have a provocateur before the midterms.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Wasnt the the last French protest and riots about the raising of retirement age? And didnt that happen anyway?

    Im really asking, I think Im correct.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    At this point, I can only imagine it’s out of spite. The regime wants violence, and we are certainly capable of it. But denying them the response they are begging for seems to really blue ball them.

    We’re going to die probably. But on our terms, not theirs.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    There is something to this, though. If people start behaving violently, the administration will label them as some kind of radicalized terrorist and respond with military force, and then probably blame black or indigenous or immigrant or trans/nb people as the reason for the radicalization and come down even harder on these marginalized populations

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    They should've written the 2nd amendment in French lol

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    They don't even wear high-visibility vests. Are they stupid?

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  • I mean, they use all of those things in the US too, but that stuff is the floor for anti protest/riot cops, not the ceiling.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    They are waiting the elections bro! Mid elections, final elections, 2026 elections and goes on.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    The fires are coming. The hangings of the criminals in this administration are coming. It may be a few years, but all will pay when the smoke clears.

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    Aren't they also patiently waiting for Chat Control to pass, or are the French fine with it?

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago

    Because nothing's broken. This is how it's supposed to work.

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