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Dude-tier list (sh.itjust.works)
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[–] 50 points 9 months ago (9 children)

Is that GNU at the bottom? If so, bro, this dude don't get it.

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Have you tried to actually use GNU/Hurd?

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, that's why it belongs next to Arch

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Arch is high skill floor high skill ceiling. Once you get good you can do really cool things with it. GNU/Herd is high skill floor low skill ceiling. If you're really good and practice really hard, eventually you'll be able to do things that could have been easier achieved with literally anything else.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    yes in a vm, specificly Debian GNU/hurd, works suprisingly, main issues is lack of hardware support, for usage as a vm guest, I would say it is already better than half of the BSDs

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    But then that is not the logo of Hurd, and Hurd is not the point of GNU

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    It's kinda part of the original point... to make a complete free software operating system...

    Still, was nice that the Linux kernel came along to make things easier than the more advanced approach Hurd was taking.

    Linux Libre + GNU, and got the point of GNU none the less. :)

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    • [–] 40 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Lol Gentoo over here in two categories

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    • [–] 36 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Get Kali out of the Chad tier, please.

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    • [–] 96 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    how is windows above macos lol

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    MacOS has no reason to exist.

    If you are ok running corporate software just use windows with its huge array of software and compatibility with pretty much everything.

    If you want to be cool and different and have problems with software and hardware compatibility run Linux.

    MacOS is the Porsche Panamera of operating systems. People just have it because it matches their 911/iThing

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    • [–] 31 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Missing Plan 9 from schizo tier.

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    • [–] 31 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Guys, MacOS isn’t everybody’s taste, especially now. But it does do what it’s trying to do. Windows isn’t succeeding at anything it’s trying to do.

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  • [+] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)
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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I haven’t coded in years and wanted to pick up python finally. I’m using ChatGPT to demonstrate all the wrong answers to problems and I have to admit it’s a great learning tool for an unexpected reason.

    It is productively wrong. All the time. But by screwing with it I can learn why things do or do not work. It does not give me an answer direct but instead guides me through all the possible ways to screw things up and I can learn from that.

    I haven’t coded since C++ and Java in high school outside some arduino shit I did for a bit in between and chatGPT has been great and bringing those skills back from cold storage in my brain.

    But as far as put in question, get response it’s obviously terrible.

    This kind of demonstrates the bigger problem though. Business majors are making decisions and not engineers. And business majors are fucking stupid outside their element.

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    • [–] 29 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    Is that X OSX? They renamed it back to MacOS.

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  • [–] 63 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    On top of that, putting it below Windows? This is clearly someone who’s never used one or thinks gaming is the only thing you do on a computer. I’m all for Linux and use it in several places, but it has nothing on MacOS polish. Sure, it’s not perfect, but it’s a far cry from ChromeOS or Windows 11.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    I’m all for Linux and use it in several places, but it has nothing on MacOS polish.

    Literally why I prefer a Macbook for work and a Linux desktop for gaming. The former just works with a little bit of setup (brew), the latter allows for infinite tinkering and customizability.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    While I loath windows, I would still put it above Mac if only for the ability to put windows on whatever you want. Even if Mac is more polished, the fact that it only works reasonably on vastly overpriced, mostly unrepairable hardware kills any appeal it would have. Add in apple's tendency to gimp devices as if a three year old machine is at deaths door, and I'll go to a customized windows os every time.

    Also the gaming thing. It's not pinnacle, but it's also not trivial.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago

    My MacBook Air is five years old still has 92% battery it’s not even close to deaths door for either me of Apple. My XPS 13 is five years old and has had its battery and thermal paste replaced.

    I haven’t played a video game since Oregon Trail was new.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    I used my 2011 iMac until two years ago and you can easily install Windows and Linux on a Mac so the whole gaming thing just isn't a valid complaint. It's not Apple that makes devs not port to MacOS as much (same with Linux). I have a laptop from 2015 that microshit decided can't run Windows 11, so they're even worse. You're objectively misinformed.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    I'm highly critical of Apple, their philosophy for proprietary hardware with an aggressive stance against right to repair, and some particular design flaws on specific models of their machines that are unacceptable for the price point they sell their products at. Not to mention their ball coddling of the fascist fuck in the white house.

    But MacOS is definitely superior to Windows, game developers not focusing on MacOS be damned. The bloat on Windows is beyond overkill, and MacOS's Unix based build for ultra specific hardware runs so much more efficiently. I used to play around with a hackintosh back when Mac OS X Lion was around.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Yup bought a MBP in my ignorant youth of 2008. It was beautiful sturdy HW at the time when most windows laptops were creaky plastic turds. After using Ubuntu for a few years Mac OS to me was like a nicer looking easier to use linux. However every 10-20 minutes the screen would flicker just once but it happened all consistently. Multiple report in forums about it and many cases opened but apple did nothing about it. Wouldn't even acknowledge it was a problem. Finally 5+ years later when most people were moving on they made a bios patch that acknowledged the issue and fixed it.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I've had my old macbook for twelve years and the whole time it held up punching well above its spec range and running heavy loads. I customized it deeply. Never had to reformat, which instead I had to do more or less once a year on my previous Windows computers. Whenever I asked it to jump it asked how high. I don't think longevity argument has merit, at least for computers.

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    • [–] 28 points 9 months ago

    Peak Script-Kiddie Shit.

    /r/masterhacker laugh at you too much, op?

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    [–] 119 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    MacOS is worlds better than Windows, it's not even close.

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  • [–] 49 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Hell, Mac OS is even a certified UNIX operating system, something that even Linux (or GNU+Linux) can't say.

    It's still a non-FOSS OS which is the real reason it sucks, but it's a lot better than a lot of people seem to think. Whereas Windows just plain sucks on a usability level too, not just the licensing.

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  • [–] 49 points 9 months ago* (5 children)

    I read a deep dive into the macos "certified UNIX" thing and it's a scam. I dont remember the details but the certification is obtained only through a set of testing exceptions. The macos used by people is not the macos that is Unix certified.

    As a former macos user (2013-2024ish), macos has become IMO a very user hostile experience. It's not quite as bad as windows, but macos is not the "user friendly, it (mostly) just works and gets out of your way" os it used to be.

    I'm full time Linux now and when I have to use macos or windows I cannot believe how user hostile they both are.

    Linux is far from perfect, but at least I control my system/os.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Oh hey. You’re me! I’ve historically been a very loyal Mac user who played with Linux here and there, but I’ve been full time Linux for the past few two years.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    As a former macos user (2013-2024ish), macos has become IMO a very user hostile experience.

    I haven't really used Mac OS since Mountain Lion, so that makes me sad to hear, but I'm not really surprised.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    However good it is and however many certificates it has i personally agree with the dogshit classification. It won't install on any of about 8 computers in my house, including one I bought from apple. Literally unusable to me for the last 10ish years. Windows would probably install on one or two of them I think, so I'll give it a few hypothetical points for usability for that.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Both got the deal with the devil clauses in their end user agreements, right? That's bad enough it does not even matter who's better or worse after that. That's already bad enough to not be fit to use.

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    • [–] 22 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    After I realized Ubuntu and Mint (the two distros I used the most) are both based on Debian, I switched to Debian with KDE Plasma. I don't know why I never tried it before and I'm never going back.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    The reason you've never tried it before is probably that they only recently made an effort to make it palatable for the average nerd. It always had a bit of a reputation of being not easy to work with.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    It's been fine for the average nerd for a couple decades. The installer has been mostly unchanged since 2005 or so, and I don't see much difference in an installed system either. I think you can live boot it ahead of installation now, maybe that's a big deal to some people?

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago

    My typical Linux installation workflow:

    1. Attempt to install Debian.
    2. It doesn't work because the kernel is too old to support my new hardware (even though it's not always that new).
    3. Rather than trying to fix it, just install Kubuntu instead.

    Failing to have graphics drivers for my gaming PC with a GPU I bought the day it launched is one thing, but Debian also failed to have WiFi drivers for the cheap N100 NUCs I bought for my kids the other day -- with wifi hardware that'd been out for multiple years at this point -- and that's just ridiculous.

    Kubuntu annoys me with Snaps, but it also Just Works in a way Debian unfortunately doesn't.

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    • [–] 60 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Arch should be in its own tier: BTW

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    [–] 12 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Gentoo is both Chad and Schizo 🧐

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    • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    Kali linux in Chad tier says it all

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    [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    This is all over the place

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    [–] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Why is Artix in the schizo tier? It is a pretty awesome project.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    That'll do it. The work might be impressive, but why care about a project that has one purely spite-driven goal that makes no technical or social sense?

    It uses real init systems

    What a completely childish tagline. Even if there was any merit to all the systemd hate, calling it β€œnot a real init system” is absurd.

    They stopped supporting GNOME based desktops and treat that in the most β€œsour grapes” way imaginable …

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    I've seen systemd developers themselves say it's not an init system [it's more].

    And it's more a matter of love, than "spite", to support init-freedom.

    GNOME stopped supporting other init systems.

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    [–] 8 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I'd put Fedora at normal tbh

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    • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    What is the 3rd one in "Dogshit"?

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    • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Mint is for both noobs and the very experienced computer nerd, fight me!

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    • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    The distributions within the openSUSE project are, in my opinion, the most advanced and complete Linux distributions. They offer tools such as btrfs+snapper, openQA, Secure-boot, Firewall, Yast (Myrlyn+Agama), etc. as soon as the system is installed. No other Linux distribution offers all of this configured immediately after installing the system. In my opinion, the openSUSE project is at the highest level of Linux, offering solutions for most users, fixed distributions such as Leap, rolling distributions such as Tumbleweed, immutable distributions such as Kalpa, etc.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Yeah.

    I was not wrong for having suse be my os when I made the leap as a windows refugee in late 2003. It'd still be a great choice for windows refugees these days. Perhaps even the best choice.

    You highlight why, very well.

    OpenSUSE (and even the corporate version) deserve more praise. They seemed to get out-marketed by Ubuntu. But did not get beat for a better OS.

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    • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    If Gentoo can be both Chad and Schizo, Slack should definitely be in the Chad category too.

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    [–] 12 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I hope Windows 11 becomes microsofts death (and ofc the fact that their previous ceo liked to fuck children)

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    [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Is that GNU/HURD in the last place?

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    [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Fedora is a chad, please

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    • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    how is artix schizo

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I look at it more like Artix exists to solve the one "problem" with Arch. As much as Arch is generally about user choice, the one thing it decided to be opinionated about was the mandatory use of systemd. Artix tries to follow Arch as closely as possible while providing the alternate init systems. I think that's pretty cool, even if their hatred of systemd is childish.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago

    It's sole reason to exist is β€œno systemd because we hate it” (their tagline is literally something childish about β€œreal init systems”) and they're willing to drop GNOME and friends on a dime for that goal.

    Choosing Artix is like choosing some fork that differentiates itself by refusing to package vim for some reason.

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    • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    "Yeah, I'm a normie, at least as far as Linux enthusiasts are concerned."

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    [–] 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I'm on Void right now, but am i still a chad if i switch to GNU Guix? I'm assuming yes because NixOS is also in the chad tier πŸ—Ώ

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    More of a chad since NixOS has fascism problem

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Yeah it's sad to see the state of the community. Personally it wasn't a reason for me to leave though. I used Void in the past and started liking runit, so now i like to go off the beaten path when it comes to init systems. It's not very feasible to use NixOS without systemd though, apart from a few small projects that aren't well tested and barely have documentation. Initially i wanted to stick to runit, but recently i finally decided to give guix and shepherd a go. So far i do actually like that shepherd is a little less minimal compared to runit, and actually has more features baked in, like support for one-shot services, timers, and being able to make services depend on each other. I finally installed it on bare metal yesterday, but i still need to work on my config a bit.

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