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[–] 268 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Daily reminder to all ICE agents. By signing up for ICE, you have signed yourself up for a lifetime of fear and criminal liability. There are Nazi concentration camp guards that were tried for their crimes in their 90s. There is no statute of limitations on crimes against humanity. Your names are recorded; your deeds are known. And you will face justice for your crimes. And do not count on a blanket pardon saving you. Crimes against humanity are violations of international law that cannot be pardoned.

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  • [–] 135 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    They should also remember that murder peaked immediately post WWII in Europe as people got even with their Nazi tormenters.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Your optimism can only be admired. However the US has already stated multiple times that it doesn't care about international law and that Americans cannot be tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity, or they will invade the Netherlands. The ICC cannot even detain an American. This was during W Bush and his "war on terror".

    And then Trump recently reiterated it with a new executive order, imposing penalties and visa restrictions on people even helping the ICC to investigate Americans.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    So many ice agents here on Lemmy

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yes, obviously, but these type of comments are self-defeating and unhelpful. It's more about trying to encourage the circulation of the idea that ICE needs to face criminal accountability. There should be a paragraph on ICE's potential criminal liability in every article about them. People should mention their susceptibility to prosecution on every discussion about them. We should be including the topic of prosecutions in every casual conversation about ICE.

    The right wing learned a long time ago that the public narrative matters. If there's an idea worth spreading, then spread it. We need to get the idea of accountability in the public consciousness whenever possible. Otherwise, it's the default instinct of every Democratic politician to try to be magnanimous when they're elected. Liberals are by their nature non-confrontational; they're happy to have people walk all over them. Obama and Biden both refused to prosecute the previous administration and tried to be grand peace makers, and look how that turned out. It will take a lot of public pressure if there's ever going to be any accountability. That's why we need to be circulating these ideas in the Zeitgeist. Yes, obviously this is just lemmy, but there's no need to be such an unhelpful cynic.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Thank you. I am fully on board and you're 100% speaking my language.

    I'm a cynic because I want people to get pissed off. At least pissed off people might do something.

    The left is sleeping on actually utilizing the Internet for spreading ideas. They need to stop showing up in the street and start actually producing content.

    Like I just checked out Joe Rogan sub Reddit to see people shitting on him and found stuff like this. It's funny and honestly gets so much attention even though it's stupid. Where the fuck is this stuff on Lemmy. Are we just here to passively read articles and yell how we're going to punch a Nazi and then not even bother to fight Nazi shit online?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, whenever i see someone here saying that we need to resort to violence, my immediate thought is always, "Ok tough guy, where's your truck bomb?"

    I do more IRL resistance work than at least 95% of the people on this site. And I'm not even talking protests. I'm directly, on the ground, working to help some of the people most hurt by the regime's policies. I'm not into violence, but I'm not above disobeying unjust laws either. So it's not like I'm some online slactavist that refuses to lift a finger to actually help people. The kind of work I do is the kind of thing I can't even post about on social media.

    But it is an incredible shame how the right has taken over so many online spaces. 10-15 years ago, the left more dominated online spaces. The early internet was a mix of very libertarian and progressive. Hell the internet was built from the ground up on socialist principles. But it's the right that really learned how to use the net most effectively as a means of mass communication and propaganda. And they did so quite deliberately. There was a deliberate and organized campaign among white supremacists on places like stormfront to subtly move their message to the mainstream.

    I think those on the left tend to view things from way too scholarly a perspective. Why repeat the same message if you've already written extensively about it before? Or make sure to not post simple understandable messages; instead start with a dozen qualifiers and provisos that end up watering down your whole message. It's more important to be intellectually rigorous than it is to effectively communicate your values. Or there's the tendency for purity tests that end up shoving away otherwise eager allies.

    The right meanwhile has learned that even bold faced lies can become widely accepted if you simply repeat them loudly and often enough.

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  • [–] 97 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The United States provides the best historical reenactment of Nazi Germany ever. Living history in action folks!

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  • [–] 77 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    Noem told reporters alongside Trump on July 1 as they toured a new detention center in the Florida Everglades known as "Alligator Alcatraz." "Alligator Auschwitz."

    That's the correct name.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Do we know yet that it's an extermination camp? Because it's not like it's the first modern concentration camp in the US. We've just been calling them detention centers.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Auschwitz started as "just a concentration camp" too.

    Eventually countries will stop accepting our deportees and then what will they do? The answer is simple:

    They'll come up with a final solution.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Right, but why is this concentration camp deserving of comparison to Auschwitz? We already have several.

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  • [–] 69 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    I can't believe I'm living though my country's Nazi era. History will not be kind to us. I hate all of this. My sister voted for this and I'll never forgive her.

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  • [–] 56 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    My entire damned family voted for it... even my closest sibling who had never voted republican in her life... that other side indoctrinated hard... I'm so disgusted, and she even said "I'm so sad ice picked up one of my favorite co-workers!" "And you voted for that" apparently wasn't the comfort she was seeking.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I mean... these people are ignorant as shit.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Too fucking true... just hurts to see it close by. I know she's smart... she's just, well indoctrinated... that cult is a hell of a drug

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Ignorant isn't the right word. There has been a coordinated propaganda campaign for 30 years pointing toward this goal. What you're seeing in these people didn't happen overnight. Yes they are also ignorant. Nazi sympathizers were average citizens. Fascist propaganda is a powerful drug.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Even if we can finally purge MAGA from our government, and even have it declared a terrorist/hate organization, how do we deal with millions of brainwashed idiots? They aren't going to change their minds easily, and accept that they were conned.

    They were conned once, they can be easily conned again.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    if only there were some prior precedent of a nation state going mad and hitting rock bottom in the most catastrophic way imaginable, then pulling its head out of its arse and going to become a productive member of the world economy we could look to. That would be most excellent, ja?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.

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  • [–] 64 points 1 year ago

    Oh cool, a president threatening to prosecute the press for reporting on something factually correct. Cool cool cool.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago

    And they'll bend the knee. Throw some scapegoat under the bus, because this is the new Fascist America.

    You chose this, America. Now no one will save us.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    How does this make any sense?

    Shouldn't they be suing Apple to take it down if they don't like it? I know they just want to weaken press, but it feels like an especially weak excuse.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Eh. Trump is publicly weighing the idea of deporting Musk. He'll turn on anyone, no matter the previous displays of loyalty.

    This does seem aimed at CNN, in particular, imho.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Didn't Elon turn on Trump by criticizing his budget?

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Don't owrry, he'll file a spurious lawsuit against them soon, which they will immediately settle, in a totally-not-legalized-bribe means of smoothing over the upset.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    Now with his own GeStaPo with a budget bigger than most of the worlds militaries, he can finally eradicate any opposition with ease. Well done, American voters, you got yourself a Führer.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    The shitty press enabled this. Let them fall on their own sword.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    He's an attention craving blowhard but the cowards cave.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That's like saying they'll be charged with murder, for reporting on murder. These fucking halfwits are just so unbelievably stupid.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    Trump is a big man baby with mayonnaise for a brain.

    But most of civilized society already knows this.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If we allow Dogey America to survive, this won't be a joke anymore. Children will be playing with Alligator Alcatraz playsets.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    "Will persecute CNN for reporting on ice illegal kidnappings. "

    Fixed it.

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  • [–] 58 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Yo Murica - something something, freedom of speech, tyrants & 2nd amendment? - or nah.

    🤡

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Can we just reload to a better save point?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The US needs school shootings in order to defend democracy

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    The Bible accuses Canaanites of child sacrifice and that led to their judgement and destruction. And these fools think God is going to bless us for letting our children get murdered (and don't even get my started on our hand in the death of Palestinian children).

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago
    [–] 34 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    It’s about this app: https://www.iceblock.app/. Download it, use it.

    Why TF has this topic been around for hours and has no one posted this? Why is the drama again made more important than the substance? Don’t let the hysteria win.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Here's an ice tracking app for Android called F.I.R.E I saw in a recent reddit post

    https://fire-app.net/screens/downloads.html

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Can you tell us anything more about the app? How safe is it? Is there a discussion anywhere about it? Thank you.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Good question. Here's the info thread about it. I've tested it and the app itself is functional and shows ice but I don't know much about it. The dev seems happy to answer questions:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/LosAngeles/comments/1lp6erp/ice_tracking_app_android/

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Download it, use it.

    It is apparently restricted to US iTunes accounts only, for some brainless reason. So a lot of people who could potentially benefit from it simply can’t.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The website offers an explanation as to why there is no Android version. Basically it's because Android would require them to maintain a database of Android users, which is a security issue if it gets confiscated by the government. They call those privacy concerns "non-negotiable," and suggest Android users but a cheap old iPhone model to use the app.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    This way, the database of users is maintained by Apple, which is much more secure against Trump. /s

    Apparently the dev is an Apple fanboy and does not understand Android. You can do the exact same thing on Android as you did on Apple, except the data would still be with Google.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    That sound coming out of China......laughter.

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