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[–] 46 points 9 months ago (9 children)

Seinfeld had an episode about cell phones, though.

I don't remember the exact plot, but I think it was Elaine called somebody about something serious, like expressing condolences for a death or something, and she called from a cell phone while she was out and about, instead of calling from a land line at home. This was seen as a faux pas.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    That sounds vaguely familiar.. did she have bad reception or something and her condolences came across as insulting as words got cut

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    My memory was that she had bad reception, but that the call wasn't cut, and when she hung up, she thought she had done a good job until corrected by Jerry. But I haven't seen this episode in over two decades probably, so my memory isn't going to be exactly right.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    This was seen as a faux pas.

    That's because cell phone audio quality in the analog era was shit. Knowing that you'd be giving condolences with a hissy, staticky, distorted voice is kinda rude when a landline payphone isn't that far away.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    It was more that the person you were calling meant so little to you that you made the call while you were doing other things. Back then calling someone was almost like meeting them for coffee, often you would pre arrange the rough time you would call, and you were both engaged in the activity because you had to be at home sitting next to the phone. There was a certain effort to it that would seem lacking if you just could pull out a phone while you were walking down the street.

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  • [–] 29 points 9 months ago* (16 children)
    • Google being evil aside, I still think about how great google maps is and how it seemed to come out of nowhere.
    • Paypal is straight up evil, no redeeming value for the past decade. Use something else. They also own Venmo.
    • Battery packs and cell phones are great in that general sense.
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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Out of nowhere? MapQuest and printed out directions were a thing for many years.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Mapquest was no google maps. Google had you in real time recommending restaurants and giving you directions with voice. You could see a streetview. It felt like a huge leap at the time to me. You may have a different viewpoint.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Google Maps in the era before smartphones really pulled ahead with Street View. That might’ve been their first real game-changing innovation.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    The first game changer for me was that all the other maps, you had to click up, down, left and right to get anywhere on the map. With Google Maps you could(can) just drag around. All the others were web 1.0 and Google Maps was web 2.0. And it was lightning fast! I remember thinking it was magic, when everything else was so bad to use in comparison.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    Was PayPal always evil, though? The concept of it wasn't. People wanted an easier way to conduct transactions electronically. Something faster and more convenient than, say, a Western Union money transfer order.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Almost every country around the world has a free way of moving money between people without using an app or third party website. It's just a standard part of banking. I haven't looked into it, but I wouldn't be surprised if Paypal has bribed and lobbied to keep that kind of functionality out of the US. So, the US has a shittier, more expensive, less convenient, more privacy-invasive version of what everybody else takes for granted. Just like with medical care, taxes, etc.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    To be fair, moving money between countries was not trivial before PayPal.

    To use Europe as an example, SEPA became operative in 2008, about six years after PayPal first became available in Europe. Before that, all international money transfers had to go through SWIFT and the easiest way was probably to use a credit card (and good luck trying to send money to a someone who isn't a company with that).

    Even with SEPA (or for domestic transfers), PayPal offered superior comfort over entering the recipient's IBAN into a homebanking software. Processing was faster, too.

    Of course these days banks in Europe have to offer instant transfers, there's a QR code standard to read invoice data into banking apps, and they're working on a full-blown PayPal replacement to get the last comfort bits down as well. It'll be interesting to see how that works out.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I mean, revolut is still a thing despite instant transfers, because being able to just send money to a phone number from your contact list is still hella more convenient than sharing QR codes or IBANs.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I would expect the American credit card companies and banks lobby just as hard if not harder to prevent that from being a free service in the US. Electronic Funds Transfers are an option at every bank in the US, but they’re not very easy for individuals and seem to always charge a fee to either the sender or receiver.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    We have Zelle in the US, but it's not the same as PayPal. At its simplest PayPal is just a way to send money from one entity to another, but it does a lot more than that. It has escrow and fraud protection (debatable if they do a good job at it). With Zelle it's much more like handing someone cash. There have been some instances of fraud resulting in reversed transactions but those are big deals not your everyday scams or unreliable sellers.

    Because PayPal and Venmo has been shitty a lot, Zelle is gaining a lot of use. I pay my rent with Zelle. Buying or selling stuff on craigslist or marketplace I'll use Zelle if it's more than like 40 bucks. It's nice as a seller because there is no way to reverse the transaction after the fact.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I think they had a couple of years where they weren't evil, but pretty close to always. They own Ebay too, and they're also evil.

    I think other countries have payment systems where they're not evil. It's ran by the government I think? There are no fees and it just comes out of your account. I guess payment systems in the general sense would be a better mention.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago

    Kramer: Look Jerry, twenty thousand dollars in ethereum.

    Jerry: but who's gonna pay for that?

    K: You know my friend Bob Sacamano he just bought three of those bored monkeys for ten thousand last week and they are now fifteen a piece, I tell you Jerry this is a great business.

    J: but they are JAY PEE GEES!

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I could see george having FOMO and doing most of this shit. Kramer would fall for the AI chatbot.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I can already see Kramer running NFT scams... or crypto rug pull xD

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Kramer would spend all his money on NFTs and then freak out trying to flip them. He would enlist George as a fictional investor who would try to inflate the value of the NFTs by offering exorbitant amounts for them in front of potential buyers.

    Jerry would riff on the copyability of NFTs and try to talk Kramer out of it, but would secretly sell an NFT of himself for a low amount of money.Elaine would secretly purchase the Jerry NFT and hold it over him forever.

    In the end, Newman would buy all of Kramer's NFTs and think he was getting a steal. George, who was promised 50% of the profits would be aghast when he learns Kramer lost a thousand bucks in the transaction, even more so when Kramer requests $500 from George for his share of the negative profits.

    Newman would then flip the NFTs for a genuine profit.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago

    America's screen writers adopted the Seinfeld paradigm years ago:

    No hugging, no learning.

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  • [–] 54 points 9 months ago (19 children)

    Giving Seinfeld shit for having a laugh track doesn't make sense. There are shows from eras before and after using laugh tracks, so Seinfeld is not an outlier in that regard. However, Jerry's occupation is literally a comedian. Having a laugh track in Seinfeld thus makes more sense than most shows that have one.

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    The laugh track is also used to fill in the pause the actors had to take due to the audience reaction. Just like with comedy shows people in groups laugh more than when you are watching at home.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    This has always bugged me. In any bygone, popular TV show when an actor first shows up there's a roar of applause, claps, stomps, whistling and shouting for 10 seconds where they just stand, kind of awkwardly waiting for noise to stop in order to say their line. I mean it's ok for a live crowd, but cut that shit off my TV show for fuck's sake.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    It's a throwback to pre-TV stage shows. The types of people funding TV shows are old and set in their ways and back then they'd make their shows just like The Honeymooners or I Love Lucy.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Was it a laugh track? Was it not live audience?

    People seem to forget that Live Audience used to be a thing

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I don’t have a problem with laugh tracks existing. I have a problem with shows not recorded before a live audience having laughter added in.

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  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

    Does a laugh track destroy the show? No. But there is no 10/10 top tier show with a laugh track.

    Edit: people keep replying with shows that are, at best, sensible chuckles.

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    [–] [S] 14 points 9 months ago*

    To go a little more in-depth, if a product would simplify certain aspects of life, make them more straightforward and less prone to a chain of comedic errors, then it's a good product.

    If a product makes things more complex, has more things to go wrong, and more corners and edge cases for some weirdo like Kramer or George to think they've spotted a killer side hustle, then it's a bad product.

    Now, I'm not saying that smartphones and computers and the Internet aren't complicated, but they are far simpler to how things were done before. Read old hobbyist magazines to get a sense of the complex system of self-addressed stamped envelopes and hand-compiled mailing lists it used to take to get info on your hobby. Meeting a friend in a nearby town to go see a movie at a theater you haven't been to before required a shocking number of cross-referenced paper resources.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago

    I'm not sure I'd put PayPal on the good side.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Something something Seinfeld something something Epstein island lemonade

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Kramer would go the Epstein Island literally for the snorkeling.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Apple Maps, on the other hand, is fully worthy of an episode.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Ironically, there are companies that put rubber bladders in shipping vessels to prevent leaks. I got in early at Kramerica, but sold before Darren joined the Nazi party.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    I guess it’s a good thing that I don’t know a couple of the “Bad tech” ideas. I can figure out the metaverse land sales but have no idea what a blind box is.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago*

    Loot/Blind boxes are like a random pack of baseball cards that you can only show to other owners of baseball cards, or someone who is baseball-card adjacent.

    Some of them are "rare" in the sense that the card printing company refuses to make more, despite it costing them nothing after the initial card is made.

    What's more is that the printing compamy has decades of psycologic practices to use on their card pack purchasers. For Example:

    • Casino-esque animations, enticing younger collectors before that aren't even allowed to gamble legally, in person.
    • Rarity manipulation, making things rarer than listed. If they list anything more than 'trust me bro.'
    • Making sure that purchasers are surrounded by pack buyers who have already got the rarer cards, generating card envy.
    • Removing entire card sets from purchase wirh the whole purpose of making purchasers feel like they will miss out, right now and forever, if they do not buy more packs of cards.

    Finally, there is also the fact that all of these cards are entirely digital, so the existance of the cards depend almost entirely on the whims of the printers.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    The only blind boxes I know are those little toy collections you purchase in an opaque wrapper or box. You don't know which one you got until you've paid. Generally some kind of licensed product, so movie/TV characters, or whatever else will get a child to talk their parents into spending money. There are others aimed at adults, too, like mini versions of classic branded products (Kitchenaid stand mixer, Kraft mac and cheese box, etc)

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    There are others aimed at adults, too, like mini versions of classic branded products (Kitchenaid stand mixer, Kraft mac and cheese box, etc)

    Those mini verse often contain UV resin, without thoroughly explaining the safety risks of working with resin. It’s kind of amazing how they are able to get away with selling those kits - children certainly by them too.

    Resin releases fumes and can cause you to develop a permanent sensitivity. Some of the kits are designed in such a way that the resin isn’t going to fully cure unless you do it in thin layers.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    "Blind box" in the tech context is an algorithm that hides its operations from everyone, even its own creators. You give it an input, and then it produces an output, without showing you how it arrived to that output.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Nah, that's a black box algorithm. Blind boxes are like loot boxes, but for irl stuff. Like labubus. Basically gachapon machines without the machine. But that's not exactly tech, so I assume the op means loot boxes.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Hmm. Do we want good tech, or do we want to inspire new Seinfeld episodes? This is a tough one.

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